Catholics Protesting Against Gay Marriage?

[etienne]

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i dont have anything against homosexuals but people of the same *** should not get "married". marriage is a sacred ceremony between man and woman, and it is meant to happen only between a man and a woman. a gay couple of the same *** getting married is an insult of the highest level to the church and its faithful followers.

now if gay people go to a judge and get a legal union or something else, then i am not going to disagree with that

agree.

as a gay, i will never never expect the chruch to bless the union of the same ***.
ur last statement is what we want. problem is that our country is heavily influenced by the church, and some people interprets the bible as the sole law of our land.

at least, there is recognition as a couple in a legal union. gay couples will hav more rights and protection, the same way heterosexual couples do.

[etienne]

i just want to straighten things out, and i hope this would mark...NOT ALL GAYS ARE THE SAME, ALRIGHT? if you find one screaming fagot at one end of the street, it does not necessarily mean that the other gay on the other end, is a fagot, too. they should knot that.

too bad gays suffer stereotypes. people should start to realize our contributions to society.

[springbok]

Originally Posted by SPRINGFIELD_XD_40
True , but just like GAY people to which NOT all of them are also in the same page of what you are talking about . One becomes a HOMOSEXUAL when it engages in sexual acts of the same gender . Dili na bayot ang 1 ka tao na ni admire and na attract lang sa same na gender .

id disagree with you there,,,,,
so you mean to say a one is a heterosexual only when he or she engages in the sexual act? so our sexual act is what makes us homosexuals or heterosexuals?
how about people who had never had *** how would we classify them..... "IT" ?

" HOMOSEXUAL.... a person sexually attracted to persons of the same ***.
it refers to enduring sexual and romantic attraction towards those of the same ***, but not necessarily to sexual behavior.Homosexuality is contrasted with heterosexuality (attraction, behavior, or orientation between opposite sexes).It also refers to an individual’s sense of personal and social identity based on those attractions and is their preferred lifestyle. "

like i said before homosexuality is a lifestyle or way of life of sin so clearly stated in the bible.a lifestyle condemned and forbidden in the holy bible.

Originally Posted by SPRINGFIELD_XD_40
Just like also the STRAIGHT PEOPLE who are living together and sharing the same bed w/o the blessings of God in the form of the SACRAMENT of MATRIMONY . That is also a LIFESTYLE of SIN in the eyes of God and the Christian community .

Yes that is a sin too !
But going back to the topic,,,it so clearly defines that gay life is a sin.it has been written.
"way of life "

Originally Posted by taga_ipil
Before we look at gay marriage / same *** marriage, first we have to remember what the Bible says about homosexuality. While the Bible doesn’t address the concept of gay or same *** marriage, the Bible does clearly and consistently tell us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). God does not create a person with homosexual desires. A person becomes a homosexual because of sin (Romans 1:24-27), and ultimately because of his or her own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person choosing to sin by giving in to their sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger / rage, does that make it right for them to give into those desires? Of course not. The same is true for homosexuality.

We also have to remember that homosexuality is just as forgivable a sin as all other sins. God’s forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, liar, proud man, etc. God’s love and desire to save extends to homosexuals (John 3:16; Romans 5:. God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17).

To give sanction to homosexual marriage would be to give approval to that lifestyle, which the Bible clearly and consistently condemns as sinful. I believe that Christians should stand firmly against the idea of gay marriage / same *** marriage. Marriage is ordained by God to be between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:21-24; Matthew 19:4-6). Homosexual marriage is a perversion of the institution of marriage and an offense to the God who created marriage. God forbids and condemns homosexuality, so He clearly is opposed to homosexual marriage. As Christians, we are to seek to share the love of God and salvation through Christ with homosexuals. We are to be loving and kind to homosexuals, while at the same time not condoning their sinful lifestyle.

[etienne]

Being gay is a living a lifestyle of sin!

can u please elaborate this statement?

are u a priest or a pastor or a bible scholar something?

[springbok]

huh?! ur talking about choices in a scientific term?
im gay and i didnt choose to be gay!

you? since when did you choose heterosexuality?

Its true that there is no such thing as gay gene......1 cannot be born gay !
Many studies have shown that genetics does not play a role or is inconclusive !
homosexuality has been connected with environmental factors influences
whether family or peers.
Family exerts the initial psychological influence..
father or mother 1 exerting a stronger influences and is embodied and idolized by the child.
acting out the male or female role as they see it.

early psychological counseling and psychiatric treatment have been proven beneficial.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

[COLOR=Red][B]id disagree with you there,,,,,
so you mean to say a one is a heterosexual only when he or she engages in the sexual act? so our sexual act is what makes us homosexuals or heterosexuals?
how about people who had never had *** how would we classify them.....

Still the basis of what we call SEXUAL ORIENTATION thus the reason why in most WESTERN COUNTRIES is the basis to identify such individual . A HOMOSEXUAL or a HETEROSEXUAL might still be a virgin but in their perspectives to the choices they make to whom they prefer the gender of their SEXUAL PARTNERS , thats where it is being gage if one is a HOMOSEXUAL or HETEROSEXUAL .

You dont necessarily have to be GAY just because you ADMIRED , LOVED and LIKED a person of the same gender ONLY if its not SEXUAL in nature .

HOMOSEXUAL.... a person sexually attracted to persons of the same ***.
it refers to enduring sexual and romantic attraction towards those of the same ***, but not necessarily to sexual behavior.Homosexuality is contrasted with heterosexuality (attraction, behavior, or orientation between opposite sexes).It also refers to an individual’s sense of personal and social identity based on those attractions and is their preferred lifestyle.

Ga tuyok tuyok ra gyud ang akong gi sulti and that statement of yours justified in contrast to your understanding about HOMOSEXUALITY .

like i said before homosexuality is a lifestyle or way of life of sin so clearly stated in the bible.a lifestyle condemned and forbidden in the holy bible.

Im still waiting on who wants to cast the first stone .

Yes that is a sin too !
But going back to the topic,,,it so clearly defines that gay life is a sin.it has been written.
"way of life "

And so are the CHRISTIANS who havent recieved the blessing of the SACRAMENT of MATRIMONY and has been in that lifestyle for years . It is also written and where they CONDEMNED like how they condemed the HOMOSEXUALS ?

[springbok]

can u please elaborate this statement?

are u a priest or a pastor or a bible scholar something?

Before we look at gay marriage / same *** marriage, first we have to remember what the Bible says about homosexuality. While the Bible doesn’t address the concept of gay or same *** marriage, the Bible does clearly and consistently tell us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). God does not create a person with homosexual desires. A person becomes a homosexual because of sin (Romans 1:24-27), and ultimately because of his or her own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person choosing to sin by giving in to their sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger / rage, does that make it right for them to give into those desires? Of course not. The same is true for homosexuality.

We also have to remember that homosexuality is just as forgivable a sin as all other sins. God’s forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, liar, proud man, etc. God’s love and desire to save extends to homosexuals (John 3:16; Romans 5:. God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17).

To give sanction to homosexual marriage would be to give approval to that lifestyle, which the Bible clearly and consistently condemns as sinful. I believe that Christians should stand firmly against the idea of gay marriage / same *** marriage. Marriage is ordained by God to be between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:21-24; Matthew 19:4-6). Homosexual marriage is a perversion of the institution of marriage and an offense to the God who created marriage. God forbids and condemns homosexuality, so He clearly is opposed to homosexual marriage. As Christians, we are to seek to share the love of God and salvation through Christ with homosexuals. We are to be loving and kind to homosexuals, while at the same time not condoning their sinful lifestyle.

What are laws of the land compared to Laws laid down by God!


and so it has been written...
Love God above all things.
Repent !


"my expressed opinion on this forum my be mistaken as aggression to some,
just a healthy debate folks
nothing personal"

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Actually , I agree with the fact BIBLICALLY and in a CHRISTIANS point of view that indeed HOMOSEXUALITY is a SIN considering that I am a Christian also , them being GAY and the SEXUAL ACTIVITIES they do . But we as CHRISTIANS , IMHO has no right at all , not even a slight one has the right to CONDEMN and JUDGE them based on their SEXUAL ORIENTATION as long as it did not violate us in any form whatsoever . Only GOD can judge them and nobody else .

[etienne]

Its true that there is no such thing as gay gene......1 cannot be born gay !
Many studies have shown that genetics does not play a role or is inconclusive !
homosexuality has been connected with environmental factors influences
whether family or peers.
Family exerts the initial psychological influence..
father or mother 1 exerting a stronger influences and is embodied and idolized by the child.
acting out the male or female role as they see it.

early psychological counseling and psychiatric treatment have been proven beneficial.

so u would agree with me that Homosexuality is NOT a CHoice?
if its not a choice, then why are we being punished for something that we didnt CHOOSe in the first place.

me personally, i didnt choose to be gay. i jus know im gay ever since i know myself, but y do i feel oppressed sometimes jus because of my sexuality? u even said that "Being Gay is a lifestyle of sin" - that sound sooo horrifying to me.

psychiatric treatment and counselling BENEFICIAL LOL!!!!! i always belive that u cant change ones sexuality!

God made me gay!

[etienne]

Before we look at gay marriage / same *** marriage, first we have to remember what the Bible says about homosexuality. While the Bible doesn’t address the concept of gay or same *** marriage, the Bible does clearly and consistently tell us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). God does not create a person with homosexual desires. A person becomes a homosexual because of sin (Romans 1:24-27), and ultimately because of his or her own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person choosing to sin by giving in to their sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger / rage, does that make it right for them to give into those desires? Of course not. The same is true for homosexuality.

We also have to remember that homosexuality is just as forgivable a sin as all other sins. God’s forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, liar, proud man, etc. God’s love and desire to save extends to homosexuals (John 3:16; Romans 5:. God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17).

To give sanction to homosexual marriage would be to give approval to that lifestyle, which the Bible clearly and consistently condemns as sinful. I believe that Christians should stand firmly against the idea of gay marriage / same *** marriage. Marriage is ordained by God to be between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:21-24; Matthew 19:4-6). Homosexual marriage is a perversion of the institution of marriage and an offense to the God who created marriage. God forbids and condemns homosexuality, so He clearly is opposed to homosexual marriage. As Christians, we are to seek to share the love of God and salvation through Christ with homosexuals. We are to be loving and kind to homosexuals, while at the same time not condoning their sinful lifestyle.

What are laws of the land compared to Laws laid down by God!


and so it has been written...
Love God above all things.
Repent !


"my expressed opinion on this forum my be mistaken as aggression to some,
just a healthy debate folks
nothing personal"

So Homosexuality or Being Gay is not a sin.
its the "act" that is a sin (as in gay-***).

so in ur standpoint, its not a sin for gays to act and look like a female, so long as they dont act on homosexual lust.
i hope u wuld agre with me.