MERGED: Quirino Grandstand Hostage Crisis

[AnInO]

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Ning mando sa nahitabo ? Like PNOY really did ordered na kinahanglan na naay MEDIA COVERAGE ? I thought he is nowhere to be found ?

Anyways .... sa kadtong mga anti NOY2 pod ... who do you guys think could have handled it better ?

I also noticed , di ba kaha mga pics na ni circulate mga PHOTOSHOPPED na pictures ? Ngano everytime na naay pic , apil man jud ang naay tigkuha sa pic pod ? Same angle also ang pirme makuha ..

Anyways ... whjy is it still hard for people to understand that even if PNOY is the bottomline of all , yes we all know that becaus ehe is the commander in chief but you dont expect him to be there negotiating , operating , assaulting , placing and establishing safety perimeter etc maski semento pa na ang gi kordon ninyo layaton ra gihapon na sa mga CHISMOSO ug CHISMOSA . Point is , on top sa pag incompetent sa PNP , wala silay saktong training sa crowd control .

That is NOY2 fault right ?

hala noh diin kaha ka sa pag ingon ni noy2x nga ang iyang admin kay naa gyud transparency... sa panumpa pa gali na nya g speech...

who could have handled it better? hmmm certainly someone who takes decisive action not like someone that did nothing(noy2x)...

kay intawon dong dli ra cla ang nag picture2x did2.. of course naa ubang nag picture2x did2 and maybe they think na dili ni maau ilang gibuhat da kudakan tani beh...

lol kapila naman na gi ingon na na wala man namo gpangayo nga cya ang mo ad2 gyud sa scene... haskang kapuya nag balik balik oi... ayaw lang tawon mo ug basa be sabta sad tawon inyo bisan gamay lang...

[Tirong-say]

Pila kahay bayad pa-picture karon no, mostly if it's high profile......just a thought...

[BackBeat]

sayang.. nahitabo nah, wa nay mahimo.. tapos na.

[darkdruid]

It's not about what happened during someone's administration. The issue is about how the leader handled the situation.

Gipaki-uwawan ba ni GMA ang mga pilipino with the way she handled the maguindanao massacre?

Gipaki-uwawan ba niya ang pilipinas sa handling sa red cross kidnapping? or even ces drilon abduction? sipaddan? manila pen? oakwood?

By the way, I'm just stating unbiased facts.

absolutely... i expect this from the noy2x actually.. but did not expect nga mas naa pay action si tita glo...

doesn't matter anymore when naa ang presidente mismo ningmando na dpat dunay transparency during sa hitabo.knsa mn pulis na magsupak2x sa mando sa pres para ipahunong ang media?

miss jd nako si tita glo.

i wonder why he ordered that at the first place when he did not even order to calm the situation..

[boom_box]

"Kayo ang boss ko...." -Noy

"You're fired dimwit!!!" -Frustrated citizens...

[RMK711]

Failure nasad ni sa education system nato.. wurag mga estudyante pa jud ni sa college level. hahaiz...

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

I somewhat agree that President should not be on the ground as that is not befitting to his stature. But there are other issues.. the phone call from Donald Tsang being ignored and the subsequent denial that it ever took place, the smiling incident from his press-con, the poor handling of post-incident matters such as removal of the bus and/or cordoning of the area. Sometimes the President has to get his hands dirty and come down a level to prove he is in control. Even in China, the President himself visits areas of disaster and walks through the mud to show the people he is in control. Sometimes symbols can be powerful, that is what this President needs to understand otherwise he won't survive 6 years, I'm sure of it...

Do you know PHILIPPINE POLITICS ? You dont have to understand it . Like I said ... who could have done it better ? Even our supposed to be PNP EXPERTS , flopped .

Unsay labot intawn sa presidente sa pag kordon oi ?

@ANINO ...

hala noh diin kaha ka sa pag ingon ni noy2x nga ang iyang admin kay naa gyud transparency... sa panumpa pa gali na nya g speech...

Lol ... you dont need media exposure for transparency . Why did you come up with that ? media exposure is not considered a black and white document in terms of transparency .

who could have handled it better? hmmm certainly someone who takes decisive action not like someone that did nothing(noy2x)...

So kana someone nimo is like a president , a vice rpesident , secretary of state , sec of defense , city mayor , and PNP chief rolled into one ?

kay intawon dong dli ra cla ang nag picture2x did2.. of course naa ubang nag picture2x did2 and maybe they think na dili ni maau ilang gibuhat da kudakan tani beh...

Dai .. read again my reply about pektyur2 .

ol kapila naman na gi ingon na na wala man namo gpangayo nga cya ang mo ad2 gyud sa scene... haskang kapuya nag balik balik oi... ayaw lang tawon mo ug basa be sabta sad tawon inyo bisan gamay lang...

Murag ikaw ug kamo man ang ga cge ug balik2 about NOY2 . I am not even a supporter of him . Did you even see the SENATE HEARING already ? Where was Noy2 ? They are grilling GENERAL MAGBITAY because it was all his call and he runned the show . Karon gets it na ?

[Pi2plank]

murag lain2x man pud tingali ang jurisdiction ang AFP sa PNP ...

yes, but sometimes drastic times require drastic measures.. lives are at stake, w/c means sometimes you have to f@ck protocol & SOP, Gen. Douglas MacArthur & Gen. Dwight Eisenhower were good examples of leaders.. sometimes they disobeyed orders, if it meant it was not the best course possible & a lot of their men would lose their lives..

ing-ato na gani ang scenario, international incident & lives are at stake, ayaw nalang pag lalis og jurisdiction.. dapat ang 'the best' team available by PNP or AFP ang ni himo sa assault.. tan-awa unsay resulta sa jurisdiction kunohay, wla diay proper equipment unya mga talawan pa gyud.. unya mabawi pa diay to ang kinabuhi sa nangamatay if 'the best' team made the assault, then at least we could have said 'that was the best we could do'.. BUT NO.. that was not even a good SWAT team.. ka daghan rookie mistake, using m16 in hostage crisis is not a good idea, 5.56 ang bala ana unya it can go through thin walls & people, kuyaw ang collateral damage to the hostages.. ang proper na pusil is MP5 ang handguns.. mas maka lihok sa CQB na scenario & ang 9mm na hollow point na bala sa MP5 dili mo lapos sa walls & people.. & DONT tell me the philippines cant produce 12 MP5 guns, 12 handguns,12 helmets, 12 body armor, & 2 'proper' sniper rifles w/ thermal imaging.. kung mo lalis mo na gi kurakot ang budget, kana lang na equipment mentioned above, syaro.. if mo ingon sila wlay MP5 sa manila naa ra sa cebu, so ma transport unta by air ang equipment by noon & mo abot na did2 sa scene by 2-3pm.. & mo ingon mo ka kuyaw ana mo engage og pinusilay, we have battle tested soldiers from mindanao or rangers assigned on solitary routine missions to spratlys islands who would've doned body armor & helmets & engaged the suspect w/o the cowardice shown by the police..

bati gyud ang outcome, that was not the best team, we have incompetent leaders.. & we have an incompetent president who runs away from responsibilities.. 'the best' was not done during that hostage crisis

[masakiton]

yes, but sometimes drastic times require drastic measures.. lives are at stake, w/c means sometimes you have to f@ck protocol & SOP, Gen. Douglas MacArthur & Gen. Dwight Eisenhower were good examples of leaders.. sometimes they disobeyed orders, if it meant it was not the best course possible & a lot of their men would lose their lives..

unsaon man nato.. ang ato presidente ug uban pang government officials are not willing to break protocols and disobey orders

[*real-bro*]

Wala unta toy dugo-ong mahitabo kung ang negotiator nga gipadala maayong laki pa. Ngadto man nagsugod jud ang crisis siguro. Dili na magkinahanglan ug elite force unta kung nasulbad pa dayon. Ang kahusay ug ang kaangayan sa atong isig katawo ang atong gipangita. Dili ang hinagiban, ang kusog, ang garbo sa tawo. Adto nalang na ipadala ang elite team sa mindanao.