Divorce, Legal Separation, Annulment: What is your stand?

[rey04]

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magpatambag ta ni Sir bongjo ani coz prudent pud kaayo ni siya especially marriage na ang hisgutan. Sir bongjo, cige sugdi nah!

blessed are the peacemakers....

[charmz_fire]

hehehe-

baka sa kasalan to mauwi ang inyo lalis.

its juz a healthy conversation!

so keep it up..

[d`monyita]

aw kapoy diay?  you are the ones who first provoked my personal views turning it against my personality and then you say that i hit you below the belt.  pls check your first replies to my posts di ba below the belt na, madugay maigo akong itlog ani! hehehehe.....

kapoy bitaw ning lalis miss beautiful basin ma "in lab " ko nimo madugay sige ug lalis, hehehe

oh c'mon.... who would not question your twisted views on marriage and family? and sir, i never insulted you... i questioned your logic/views... but i didnt insult you.  each reply i posted has been carefully edited in such a way to keep it as light as possible BUT hit directly where it should.  if i had my way yesterday you would probably have a scathing remark posted immediately.  it took me about 20 minutes to edit the lines that would give anyone an impression that i have stooped to your level.

you cannot take it when people question your logic/view.  igo imo ego ika nga...napipikon ka...tapos you quote my post BUT do not answer it... instead you CREATE your own stories. read back.... sige na ka comment diri but wa ko pansin... but when u MISDEFINED family... aw... ang ang naman na dili na ko musabat.. and my reply was already after the comments of 3 other people if i am not mistaken, junrey, gwyn and jugs...who all questioned your views too.

for the benefit of the ones who ask me where this started... i am posting here the aforementioned "questionable" views.

a family wont be created if no marriage is done and we are all part of it since each one of us comes from a family when our dad and mom decided to be as one.

  ok ka lang? baka sapakin ka ni kris aquino nyan if you tell her that she and josh are not a family. and what about the thousands..no...millions of kids who are adopted? or those who are results of rape? those kids ba... they have no family?  that is why i pasted the DEFINITION of family on page 7, reply #173.

It also depend on how you handle your marital problems, for me I take it as a challenge from above.  As they say that God didn't give man a burden that he cannot carry.

  this too has set us off. maybe you meant something else... kaso kasi imo man gud tuyok tuyok imo post... ikaw mismo mawala. hehehehe. such as the "it is you are the flame and not marriage.  you say marriage is the flame and not you?"  so pathetic.  sir, siguro aron masabtan ka... try kuno mag-post in bisaya. hopefully all of us, even you, will be able to understand. hehehehehehe 

(mga chong ako na lang ang nagsabi sa iya kay puslan man "below the belter" kuno ko... hahahahaha)



@charmz --- toinks. no thanks. he is married and besides....even if he were free.... i want someone with uh... better g*****tical skills?

[d`monyita]

Magaling talaga si Mother Dee mag rebuttal statements as in itemized deductions Rey04, heheh

maraming salamat. i have always tried to remain TACTful and FACTful (for the sake of rhyme lang hehehehe) with my posting as well as tell it straight.  yoko ikot ikot pa oi... daming malilito at daming mawawala sa aking rambling. pati ako mawala pud if i do it that way. hehehehe.

in fact, i do my best to not just shoot from the hip. i take careful aim then shoot. that way... less effort... better results.

*bow*

[cholokoy]

Lingawww!!!

[rey04]

for the benefit of the ones who ask me where this started... i am posting here the aforementioned "questionable" views.
ok ka lang? baka sapakin ka ni kris aquino nyan if you tell her that she and josh are not a family. and what about the thousands..no...millions of kids who are adopted? or those who are results of rape? those kids ba... they have no family? that is why i pasted the DEFINITION of family on page 7, reply #173.

family
(Latin: familia, household)

The basic society of husband, wife, and children; by extension used for all of the same kin. Man's nature and God's appointment (Genesis 1 and 3) make family life normal and necessary. Man and woman are complementary, and enjoy life in its fulness only by combining their physical, spiritual, moral, social, and economic capacities. The family ordinarily is for the procreation and proper rearing of children, thus perpetuating the human race. The perfect example of family life is the Holy Family. Attacks on family life, in its permanence (divorce), its purpose (birth control), its solidarity (recreation, work, and other interests inconsistent with home life), are sure methods, in logic and in practise, of injuring both Church and State.

source: http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/ncd03218.htm

FAMILY. A group of persons who are related by marriage or blood and who typically include a father, mother, and children. A family is a natural society whose right to existence and support is provided by the divine law. According to the Second Vatican Council, “the family is the foundation of society” (The Church in the Modern World, II, 52). In addition to the natural family, the Church recognizes also the supernatural family of the diocese and of a religious community, whose members are to co-operate for the upbuilding of the Body of Christ (Decree on the Bishops’ Pastoral Office, 34; and Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, 43). (Etym. Latin familia, a family, the members of a household; from famulus, a servant, attendant.)

source: http://www.therealpresence.org/cgi-bin/getdefinition.pl

baka kayo ni Cris ang masapak koh!
tell me if its ok to have a child out of wedlock so that i could also teach my daughter about it.

@charmz --- toinks. no thanks. he is married and besides....even if he were free.... i want someone with uh... better g*****tical skills?

if i'm single, dawaton gihapon tika kay walay lain makaantos sa imong batasan ako rah, hehehehe

[Ms.Beau]

let me insert and address that "tell me if it's okay to have a child out of wedlock so that i could also teach my daughter about it" request. i'm not a parent but i can be a very good one.

now here are my lessons for your daughter:

1. you see those mommies or daddies raising their children by themselves? they deserve the respect that any married couple get. i know you would want to have a family like ours someday, but should you find yourself in a situation similar to theirs when you're all grown up, i want you to have the same respect for yourself as you have for them now. and no matter what happens, i will always be here for you and my love will be from east to west.

2. see their children? they aren't any different from the other children. they are neither to be pitied nor looked down on. you have a mom and a dad, but if you had either one only, you would still be the smart, alert, and loved daughter that you are.

3. it's okay to be single and loving it

4. marriage is noble and god-given

5. but it's never okay to be in an abusive relationship. i'd rather see you FROM a bad marriage than IN one.

see your five fingers? one lesson for each. remember them for life.

[d`monyita]

You know, Beau..... he cannot impose his views on his daughter... he can stomp his feet and get red in the face and hope that his daughter will not go the same path that some of us have but HE CANNOT STOP IT if she does... ane WHEN she does... he will remember this day... believe me you. 

I do not believe that as a loving dad which rey04 probably is.... when his daughter becomes pregnant out of wedlock.... that he would want her to marry a deadbeat, irresponsible person if that is what the sperm donor is.... and be tied for her WHOLE LIFE to this said irresponsible person.  Sometimes we look at what "society" will think of us... but it is more what scorn we get from some bigots really. 

What we do not take into consideration that though marriage is binding... so is parenthood.  Isn't it better...nay... BEST... for the child to be HAPPY because of the peaceful and loving environment his FAMILY which constitutes also the grandfather and grandmother and aunts and uncles give?  Children born out of wedlock are still precious in God's eyes... and if they get rejected in society by some bigots... they have God as their Father.  And that is more than what any man can do.

I also do not believe that the catholic church is that unmoving when it comes to supporting parishoners who are in the same boat as I am...unlike some of its members.  Scorn of single parents, I just feel, is something Jesus looks upon as akin to scorning the little children whom He loves.  For what image are we really portraying here of Jesus?  To teach one's daughter that single parenthood is UNILATERALLY WRONG for me constitutes wrong portraying of Jesus' love.  Would bigots rather force them into a marriage where there is conflict and strife and abuse?

There are different reasons why people chose the lives they live and to sweep them all in one single accusation as wrong and immoral would be immoral in itself.  There are so many single moms and dads out there and they have big and noble dreams for their children.  Dreams that some bigots cannot comprehend in their state of narrow-mindedness.

Sir, I suffer the scorn and bigotry that you so clearly have for women like me...and I can just imagine the sneer on your face... but guess what... I AM STRONGER...you cannot do what I did for my son.  You will NEVER understand. hahahahahahaha.

Life deals a cruel hand on bigots more often than not.  I will speak for all of us single parents out here... including the two single dads in istorya that i know of and highly respect.... that whatever he says the family is... we KNOW what we have are families.  And that includes you, ms kris aquino.

GOD BLESS ALL OF US SINGLE PARENTS OUT THERE!  GOD IS WITH US!








uh-oh... straight english! huwawwww....(*winks* at beau and charmz.... u know what THAT means....hahahahahaha)

[d`monyita]

mods, sorry for the many many OT's. hehehehe.

basta my stand still remains.... Marriage is God-given and one has to work at it gyud... but if you are already being abused... that is another story. Kids have to be taken into consideration. I would like to have not just physically healthy kids but emotionally and psychologically and especially spritually as well.

[angelfyre]

family
(Latin: familia, household)

The basic society of husband, wife, and children; by extension used for all of the same kin. Man's nature and God's appointment (Genesis 1 and 3) make family life normal and necessary. Man and woman are complementary, and enjoy life in its fulness only by combining their physical, spiritual, moral, social, and economic capacities. The family ordinarily is for the procreation and proper rearing of children, thus perpetuating the human race. The perfect example of family life is the Holy Family. Attacks on family life, in its permanence (divorce), its purpose (birth control), its solidarity (recreation, work, and other interests inconsistent with home life), are sure methods, in logic and in practise, of injuring both Church and State.

source: http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/ncd03218.htm

FAMILY. A group of persons who are related by marriage or blood and who typically include a father, mother, and children. A family is a natural society whose right to existence and support is provided by the divine law. According to the Second Vatican Council, “the family is the foundation of society” (The Church in the Modern World, II, 52). In addition to the natural family, the Church recognizes also the supernatural family of the diocese and of a religious community, whose members are to co-operate for the upbuilding of the Body of Christ (Decree on the Bishops’ Pastoral Office, 34; and Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, 43). (Etym. Latin familia, a family, the members of a household; from famulus, a servant, attendant.)

source: http://www.therealpresence.org/cgi-bin/getdefinition.pl

baka kayo ni Cris ang masapak koh!
tell me if its ok to have a child out of wedlock so that i could also teach my daughter about it.

if i'm single, dawaton gihapon tika kay walay lain makaantos sa imong batasan ako rah, hehehehe

the last part, now thats below the belt rey04. where d hell did dat come from?