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    Quote Originally Posted by botslob View Post
    sus nagkalata ang proof spikoy...sulti lang kay tagaan tikag texto usa ka baril diay sample o:

    In Roman Catholicism

    The essential joy of heaven is called the beatific vision, which is derived from the vision of God's essence. The soul rests perfectly in God, and does not, or cannot desire anything else than God. After the Last Judgment, when the soul is reunited with its body, the body participates in the happiness of the soul. It becomes incorruptible, glorious and perfect. Any physical defects the body may have laboured under are erased.

    The Roman Catholic teaching regarding Heaven is found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church: "Those who die (generally understood as physical death as opposed to "body level," ego identity) in God's grace and friendship and are perfectly purified, live forever (defined as immortality of the body as opposed to eternal aliveness in the psychological sense). This perfect (divine) life with [God] (Father Deity rather than concept of "perfect goodness") is called heaven. [It] is the ultimate end and fulfilment of the deepest human longings, the state of supreme, definitive happiness, full aliveness. The Catholic Church teaches that only those baptized by water (symbol of purification/internal cleansing), blood (symbol of martyrdom), or desire (explicit or implicit desire for purification) may enter heaven and those who have died in a state of grace may enter heaven.[12]

    Upon dying, each soul goes to what is called "the particular judgement" where its own afterlife is decided (i.e. Heaven after Purgatory, straight to Heaven, or Hell.) This is different from "the general judgement" also known as "the Last judgement" which will occur when Christ returns to judge all the living and the dead.

    It is a common Roman Catholic belief that St. Michael the Archangel carries the soul to Heaven. The belief that Saint Peter meets the soul at the "Pearly Gates" is an artistic application of the belief that Christ gave Peter, believed by Catholics to be the first Pope, the keys to Heaven.

    As Heaven is a place where only the pure are permitted, no person who dies in a state of sin can enter Heaven. "Those who die in God's grace and friendship and are perfectly purified live for ever with Christ. They are like God for ever, for they "see Him as he is," face to face." (Catechism of the Catholic Church §1023) "Those who die in God's grace and friendship imperfectly purified, although they are assured of their eternal salvation, undergo a purification after death, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of God." (Catechism of the Catholic Church §1054)

    If one were baptized validly and then died, one would go directly to heaven (in the Roman Catholic belief, the sacrament of baptism dissolves the eternal and temporal punishment of all sins). If one never committed a mortal sin and were absolved of all his venial sins just before death, one would go directly to Heaven.

    Most people who enter Heaven do so through Purgatory (or "place of purification"). In Purgatory, a soul pays off all temporal punishment one deserved for the sins he committed in life. This does not always happen though. If one receives the Sacrament of Penance validly, as well as gains a plenary indulgence, and dies, one would directly go to heaven. There are many ways to get an indulgence, in various Papal decrees or publications[13]. To receive a plenary indulgence, one must receive the sacrament of Confession validly, do one's penance, validly receive Communion, say some specified number of Lord's Prayers, Angelic Salutations and Minor Doxologies for the intentions of the Pope, and then perform some act of gaining the indulgence. Of course, one must remain free from all sin, mortal and venial, while doing all these things. (SOURCE: Heaven - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

    NGITA PA KA LAIN? HAHAHAHAHA
    wahahaha nagkalata gyud tinood...nagkalata sa kabulok murag prutas nga nabulok...

    question:

    how do you reconcile this sa giingon ni St. Paul nga ang tao mahitabo lng nga makasulod sa langit after na ma changed iyang body from corruptible to INCORRUPTIBLE and that only happens in the end times when the last trumphet will sound?

    sa ato pa nasayop si st. paul ani?

    nya ang sakto kana inyong manmade nga CCC?

    tubaga botslob wahahaha

  2. #222
    Quote Originally Posted by botslob View Post
    PA CHALLENGE CHALLENGE PA! HAHAHAH...tan-awa daw na akong gipang post. Gikan pa na sa oral traditions nga imong gipang bakak! well...naa may giignon: naa ba guy bakakon moankon sa iyang bakak? hihihihihi



    ang buhat sa amahan sa pamakak maoy buhat sa iyang anak...ok ra na spikey di ka moankon sa imong pagkabakakon kay nature man na ninyo ni taning hahahahaha

    pero wa kay mahimo kay EXPOSE NA KAAYO DIRE IMONG MGA BAKAK hihihihi. di man na ikalimod bisag subayon pa ang thread hihihihi
    wahahaha nagkabuang naman gani ka ug tubag dira wahahaha tan-awon nato asa na kutob imong talent diri... wahahha

    aw as i said ikaw siguro ang anak ni lucifer kay kusog kaayo mamersonal...kusog kaayo mo liko2x ug storya mao nay ilhanan sa mga tao nga walay sarang ikasukol ug discussion kay mamersonal attack dayonn aron dili ma obvious wahahah pero klaro kaayo imong pahak botslob waahahaha

    di tika tubayan ana imong mga personal attack kay dili ko parehas nimo walay grado wahahaha

  3. #223
    Quote Originally Posted by aztina888 View Post
    hala wala pa d.i heaven ug hell? so kung mamatay ta sa "PARADISE" pa ta din mu resurrect para ma finalize kung sa heaven or hell ta mu padung.. hmm taaaaaas d.i ang proseso noh.. hihihihihi
    dli nlng jud tawgun ug heaven ang paradise. paradise lang jud xa ahahaha fine fine.. paradise. naa na sa south dapit hidden paradise ahahahaha
    mao ni mga tinubagan sa mga bata nga murag walay bout hehehe

  4. #224
    balik sa topic botslob ayaw cge liko2x dira

  5. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by SPIKE_CSA View Post
    mao ni mga tinubagan sa mga bata nga murag walay bout hehehe
    huh? ahahaha nanu ka? ahahaha ngita kag bikil? ahahha funny nimu oie.. igo ai ni react ahahaha
    wala gani ko ni quote nya react dayon ka.. ahahaha faets dimu part..

    asa nman ang verse wala gypon? cge ka lang ga react dha wala ka lang ka hatag ug verse? toinks

  6. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by aztina888 View Post
    huh? ahahaha nanu ka? ahahaha ngita kag bikil? ahahha funny nimu oie.. igo ai ni react ahahaha
    wala gani ko ni quote nya react dayon ka.. ahahaha faets dimu part..

    asa nman ang verse wala gypon? cge ka lang ga react dha wala ka lang ka hatag ug verse? toinks
    hehe di tika tubayan kay wa kay challenge ika discuss wahaha

  7. #227
    Quote Originally Posted by SPIKE_CSA View Post
    wahahaha nagkalata gyud tinood...nagkalata sa kabulok murag prutas nga nabulok...
    ang makapabulok sa tao kanang di mobasa! hihihi

    Quote Originally Posted by SPIKE_CSA View Post
    question:

    how do you reconcile this sa giingon ni St. Paul nga ang tao mahitabo lng nga makasulod sa langit after na ma changed iyang body from corruptible to INCORRUPTIBLE and that only happens in the end times when the last trumphet will sound?

    sa ato pa nasayop si st. paul ani?
    wa ka kasabot sa bersikolo...as you said incorruptibility (raising of the dead) only happens during endtimes or judgment. pero wa pa mana maabot. pero wa na nagpasabot nga di ka kasud sa langit ang kalag after death. ang kanang langit during end times mao na ang New Heavens nga gi describe sa Revelations. Ang langit ni exist na dugay ra...sa Genesis palang daan: "God made the heavens and the earth."

    Quote Originally Posted by SPIKE_CSA View Post
    nya ang sakto kana inyong manmade nga CCC?

    tubaga botslob wahahaha
    tanan interpretations man-made apil na ang CCC og ang inyoha spikoy! hihihihi,,, di mi magpakaron ingnon nga 100% perfect mi kay tao ra ta masipyat gihapon. Og mahitabo na, I correct ang sipyat. Daghan na ang mga instances gicorrect ang teaching sa simbahan RC. Gets? hihihihi

  8. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by botslob View Post
    ang makapabulok sa tao kanang di mobasa! hihihi



    wa ka kasabot sa bersikolo...as you said incorruptibility (raising of the dead) only happens during endtimes or judgment. pero wa pa mana maabot. pero wa na nagpasabot nga di ka kasud sa langit ang kalag after death. ang kanang langit during end times mao na ang New Heavens nga gi describe sa Revelations. Ang langit ni exist na dugay ra...sa Genesis palang daan: "God made the heavens and the earth."



    tanan interpretations man-made apil na ang CCC og ang inyoha spikoy! hihihihi,,, di mi magpakaron ingnon nga 100% perfect mi kay tao ra ta masipyat gihapon. Og mahitabo na, I correct ang sipyat. Daghan na ang mga instances gicorrect ang teaching sa simbahan RC. Gets? hihihihi
    huh? wahahaha na expose nasad ang imong pagka ignorante botslob diin gud ka ana nga mag una ang kalag sa langit nya mosunod dayon ang body? wahahaha unsa gud na data data? ayawg patuyang sa imong gibati intawn oi... ug wa koy supak anang heaven nga ni exist na ha... mao gud na ang puy-anan sa ginoo syempre ni exist na gyud na wahahaha

  9. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by SPIKE_CSA View Post
    wahahaha nagkabuang naman gani ka ug tubag dira wahahaha tan-awon nato asa na kutob imong talent diri... wahahha

    aw as i said ikaw siguro ang anak ni lucifer kay kusog kaayo mamersonal...kusog kaayo mo liko2x ug storya mao nay ilhanan sa mga tao nga walay sarang ikasukol ug discussion kay mamersonal attack dayonn aron dili ma obvious wahahah pero klaro kaayo imong pahak botslob waahahaha
    wa ko mamersonal ni sulti ko kay tungod sa imong post nga misleading kaau. subaya kuno gikan sa oral traditions. pwertng pamakak nimo ngadto.

    Quote Originally Posted by SPIKE_CSA View Post
    di tika tubayan ana imong mga personal attack kay dili ko parehas nimo walay grado wahahaha
    hihihihi wa bitaw ko grado...mekaniko ra intawn ko og mga Boeing 747 nga motugpa dire og sa singapore. hihihihi btw, wa koy grado pero grad with honors pod intawn kog avionics. tsk tsk ok ra na spikoy. ana man gyud na basta di kebaw mo ininglis pareho nako. hihihihi

  10. #230
    Quote Originally Posted by SPIKE_CSA View Post
    huh? wahahaha na expose nasad ang imong pagka ignorante botslob diin gud ka ana nga mag una ang kalag sa langit nya mosunod dayon ang body? wahahaha unsa gud na data data? ayawg patuyang sa imong gibati intawn oi... ug wa koy supak anang heaven nga ni exist na ha... mao gud na ang puy-anan sa ginoo syempre ni exist na gyud na wahahaha
    hhihihii basa lagi! ako nang gipost sa unahan...balikon nako: Upon dying, each soul goes to what is called "the particular judgement" where its own afterlife is decided (i.e. Heaven after Purgatory, straight to Heaven, or Hell.) This is different from "the general judgement" also known as "the Last judgement" which will occur when Christ returns to judge all the living and the dead.

    Dia pa o:

    General Judgment
    tt=76

    (Judicium Universale, Last Judgment).
    Existence of the general judgment
    1

    Few truths are more often or more clearly proclaimed in Scripture than that of the general judgment. To it the prophets of the Old Testament refer when they speak of the "Day of the Lord" (Joel 2:31; Ezekiel 13:5; Isaiah 2:12), in which the nations will be summoned to judgment. In the New Testament the second Parusia, or coming of Christ as Judge of the world, is an oft-repeated doctrine. The Saviour Himself not only foretells the event but graphically portrays its circumstances (Matthew 24:27 sqq.; 25:31 sqq.). The Apostles give a most prominent place to this doctrine in their preaching (Acts 10:42; 17:31) and writings (Romans 2:5-16; 14:10; 1 Corinthians 4:5; 2 Corinthians 5:10; 2 Timothy 4:1; 2 Thessalonians 1:5; James 5:7). Besides the name Parusia (parousia), or Advent (1 Corinthians 15:23; 2 Thessalonians 2:19), the Second Coming is also called Epiphany, epiphaneia, or Appearance (2 Thessalonians 2:8; 1 Timothy 6:14; 2 Timothy 4:1; Titus 2:13), and Apocalypse (apokalypsis), or Revelation (2 Thessalonians 2:7; 1 Peter 4:13). The time of the Second Coming is spoken of as "that Day" (2 Timothy 4:, "the day of the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 5:2), "the day of Christ" (Philemon 1:6), "the day of the Son of Man" (Luke 17:30), "the last day" (John 6:39-40).
    2

    The belief in the general judgment has prevailed at all times and in all places within the Church. It is contained as an article of faith in all the ancient creeds: "He ascended into heaven. From thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead" (Apostles' Creed). He shall come again with glory to judge both the living and the dead" (Nicene Creed). "From thence he shall come to judge the living and the dead, at whose coming all men must rise with their bodies and are to render an account of their deeds" (Athanasian Creed). Relying on the authority of Papias, several Fathers of the first four centuries advanced the theory of a thousand years' terrestrial reign of Christ with the saints to precede the end of the World (see article on MILLENNIUM). Though this idea is interwoven with the eschatological teachings of those writers, it in no way detracted from their belief in a universal world-judgment. Patristic testimony to this dogma is clear and unanimous.
    3

    The Roman Catechism thus explains why, besides the particular judgment of each individual, a general one should also be passed on the assembled world: "The first reason is founded on the circumstances that most augment the rewards or aggravate the punishments of the dead. Those who depart this life sometimes leave behind them children who imitate the conduct of their parents, descendants, followers; and others who adhere to and advocate the example, the language, the conduct of those on whom they depend, and whose example they follow; and as thegood or bad influence or example, affecting as it does the conduct of many, is to terminate only with this world; justice demands that, in order to form a proper estimate of the good or bad actions of all, a general judgment should take place. . . . Finally, it was important to prove, that in prosperity and adversity, which are sometimes the promiscuous lot of the good and of the bad, everything is ordered by an all-wise, all-just, and all-ruling Providence: it was therefore necessary not only that rewards and punishments should await us in the next life but that they should be awarded by a public and general judgment." (source: CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: General Judgment (Last Judgment))

    BASAHA SA SPIKOY...kapait nimo kay di ka mobasa diretso kag hasmag. Kapila nako niingnon nimo nga basa lagi...apila basa ang source para naa kay makat-onan! hihihihi

    intawn spikoy dili basta basta among teachings kay rich kaau na biblically og gitun-an na pag-ayo. mao bitaw na gimugna ang catholic encyclopedia para mahibaw mo giunsa pag hikutar ang mga pagtolon-an! diretso ra mo og judge nga y basihanan...pero adto mo sa catholic encyclopedia kay didto ninyo makita ang wisdom sa catholic church. kamo naa moy encyclopedia inyoha? hihihihi

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