On Tithes and Offerings...

[wsraxe]

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i try to...

[necrotic freak]

unsaon man daw niya pgsustain sa church if napurdoy cya?... my point is ako nabasahan na niana cya na pobre daw si eliboy nya krn nigawas na d nasad.. ako pangutana niya is asa man jud tinuod sa iya gipanulti?..

hehehe

sauna tingali bro pobre pa.. pero karon daghan na kaau negosyo apil na iyang simbahan.. nadatu ug pangilad!

[pijavier]

We give according to the purpose, 2 Corinthians 9:7.
and our leader has income (broadcasting and personal business to sustain).

Peace!

Bro rcruman, you must be dreaming. you are eating your own words. With this statement above you have given us the impression that your leader is rich.

--------------------> broadcasting and personal business to sustain <---------------------------------------------------

So kung wala moy mga offerings sa church, asa man cya kuha og kwarta?

defensive ra kau ka bro. what are you hiding from. I just found out that your leader, Eli Soriano has a few skeletons in his closet in the form of checks... gisultihan ka ani niya bro. Or nadala lang ka sa debate.

[pijavier]

Bro rcruman, the question was simple... I just asked if si Bro Elly raba ang ga support, dili ba na maka cause og dependency sa mga members?

over react man dayun ka. A simple no would have been suffice. SO naa gyud mo ihatag sa church because ipalabas man nimo nga wala moy hatag hatag sa inyong church...

Diretso man daun kag labay og verse and push nga wala na ang Tithes and Offering... the question in this thread is "Tithes and Offering: Do you give the exact amount in church?"

kana ra. so if dili mo mohatag og tithes and offering, unsa man imong i hatag? gahatag ka or wala? pasabta daw mi tanan, kanang imo personal. cge daw, go.

do you give or not? if not tithes what do you call it? donation or ang gina "sulti nila" nga tulisitation. what do you call your giving?

surely you have to give something...

[tripwire]

Sa ako lang no... There is great power in tithing, it's like planting a seed, and as it is said, 'you will reap what you have sown'. So, if you're primarily interested in monetary wealth, then it may be very useful to find ways to tithe monetarily in support of appropriately beautiful causes. And, even more importantly, that same law of sowing and reaping works on everything, not just money. So, it may be crucial to ask yourself, "What is really most important to me?"... and then strive to find ever-increasing ways to give that, and plant seeds of that, whatever it may be. (When in doubt, love is always a fine gift to give!) That is, rather than focusing undue attention on monetary issues, please consider tithing from your heart instead of your wallet. Tithe Love! Tithe Harmony! Tithe Beauty!

Consider, for example, tithing the gift of loving-kindness to someone who is suffering... or tithing a bouquet of beautiful flowers to someone who least expects it... or freely tithing your sympathy to someone deep in troubles... or tithing the gift of love to someone who is overcome by hatred... or tithing a gift from your heart to a complete stranger... or tithing your loving heart to the glorious One who has made this entire adventure possible. It's not all about money.

[rcruman]

Bro rcruman, the question was simple... I just asked if si Bro Elly raba ang ga support, dili ba na maka cause og dependency sa mga members?

nya simple rapud ako gitubag "dili si Bro.Eli ra" i think kahibalo ka kung unsay pasabot sa "ra/lang/raba"? meaning siya ra usa. Then try to review my post kung naa ba koy gipost nga "siya ra". Kami tanan musupport, pero ang Leader musupport pud sa buluhaton og labaw sa tanan sa iya kaugalingong panginahanglan.
Dili angay hilabtan sa leader ang kwarta nga para sa buluhaton nga iya gastuson sa iya kaugalingon, pareha ni Pablo:

33 I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel.
34 Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.
35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
Acts 20:33-35

over react man dayun ka. A simple no would have been suffice. SO naa gyud mo ihatag sa church because ipalabas man nimo nga wala moy hatag hatag sa inyong church...

over react ko? aw imo pud na wala koy mahimo.
asa ako post nga dili mi muhatag? klaro ana nga amo basehan kay:

7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
2 corinthians 9:7

so muhatag mi nga malipayon ang kasingkasing.

Diretso man daun kag labay og verse and push nga wala na ang Tithes and Offering... the question in this thread is "Tithes and Offering: Do you give the exact amount in church?"

bro, wait lang murag you're not on the right track in reading my post.
Asa ko niingon or ni post nga wala na ang offering? TITHES ang wala na, review again my post if you don't mind.
Don't make a ghost that in the end you will be scared of it.

kana ra. so if dili mo mohatag og tithes and offering, unsa man imong i hatag? gahatag ka or wala? pasabta daw mi tanan, kanang imo personal. cge daw, go.

bro review again my post kung niingo ba ko nga bawal ang offering, TITHES ang ako giingon.
Lahi ang TITHES bro, Ang Tithes kay offering pero dili tanang Offering kay tithes, like this:

23 Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.
Psalms 50:23
kana bro nagoffer man og PRAISE, ay ko ingna TITHES dayon.

Read every details bro aron klaro.

do you give or not? if not tithes what do you call it? donation or ang gina "sulti nila" nga tulisitation. what do you call your giving?

offerings or communicate ang tawag ana sa panahon sa Christiano.
Tithes is not appropriate or not applicable in Christian era.
Ang Tithes kay 10% pero ang offerings kay dili 10%.

again, ang TITHES kay offerings pero dili tanang offerings kay TITHES.
Hope you get it bro.

surely you have to give something...

of course we should give not just something.

35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
Acts 20:35

1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
1 Corinthians 11:1-2

16 But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
Hebrews 13:16

Peace!

[rcruman]

Bro rcruman, you must be dreaming. you are eating your own words. With this statement above you have given us the impression that your leader is rich.

--------------------> broadcasting and personal business to sustain <---------------------------------------------------

So kung wala moy mga offerings sa church, asa man cya kuha og kwarta?

defensive ra kau ka bro. what are you hiding from. I just found out that your leader, Eli Soriano has a few skeletons in his closet in the form of checks... gisultihan ka ani niya bro. Or nadala lang ka sa debate.

whowww, slow down mga bro.

Give you example, Henry Sy is a rich man but if you're going to compare him to Bill Gates will you call him rich?

So Bro Eli has may business to sustain his needs and to give to his family and to the brethren. So the wealth he has is flowing, he didn't gathered it in the bank.
So try to compare bro. Eli to other Leader in Religion, tell me bro kung rich ba siya.

Will his wealth can stand even 1/32 of the wealth of religious leader in our time?
Can you consider him rich if you compare him to MANALO?
compare him to VELARDE?
compare him to QUIBOLOY?
compare him to the POPE?
compare him to Almeda?

now tell me who is rich.

Bro he is following this word of Christ:

19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
Matthew 6:19

So kung wala moy mga offerings sa church, asa man cya kuha og kwarta?

you're putting words in my mouth bro, asa ko niingon nga wala mis offerings?
again, TITHES is a offering but not all offerings are TITHES.
TITHES maoy wala mi pero naa miy offerings, get it? pero kung dili nimo maget aw bahala ka Ginoo ray mag-igo.

defensive ra kau ka bro. what are you hiding from. I just found out that your leader, Eli Soriano has a few skeletons in his closet in the form of checks... gisultihan ka ani niya bro. Or nadala lang ka sa debate.

defensive? I'm not hiding anything, in our church everything is transparent from the contribution down to expenses, every quarter or twice a year all Churches offerings and expenses are shown to us with the receipt.
Our offerings (money) has receipt and it will be count with a minimum of three person every local.

Then let me ask you, did your church show you the amount of money get in or just the expenses?

Peace!

[rcruman]

sauna tingali bro pobre pa.. pero karon daghan na kaau negosyo apil na iyang simbahan.. nadatu ug pangilad!

then its your burden to prove it nga pangilad ra ang kang bro. Eli.
Bro naa bay receipt ang simbahan kung pila ang nacollect sa sibot or sapyaw ninyo?
Naa ba mo receipt makita sa tanang kwarta nga nisulod sa simbahan ninyo like bayad sa bunyag (regular/special), Kasal (regular/special/engrande), misa sa patay, compirma, novena, misa sa kapelya (fiesta), og uban pa nga bayaran?

Peace!

[pijavier]

Good post tripwire. thanks

[pijavier]

Quote from: pijavier on December 14, 2007, 10:40:03 PM
Bro rcruman, the question was simple... I just asked if si Bro Elly raba ang ga support, dili ba na maka cause og dependency sa mga members?
nya simple rapud ako gitubag "dili si Bro.Eli ra" i think kahibalo ka kung unsay pasabot sa "ra/lang/raba"? meaning siya ra usa. Then try to review my post kung naa ba koy gipost nga "siya ra". Kami tanan musupport, pero ang Leader musupport pud sa buluhaton og labaw sa tanan sa iya kaugalingong panginahanglan.
Dili angay hilabtan sa leader ang kwarta nga para sa buluhaton nga iya gastuson sa iya kaugalingon, pareha ni Pablo:

33 I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel.
34 Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.
35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
Acts 20:33-35


Sakto mana Bro rcruman nga dili angay hilabtan sa leader ang kwarta para sa buluhatonsa Ginoo.
Wala man ko nag sulti nga inyo leader nanghilabot. ayaw sad palabi og deffensive ky dili man sad ko rival ninyo.

I am trying to figure out ang giving sa inyong church ky let's admit daghan sad kau mog kontra. and na curious lang ko

so you mean to say ang gabuhi sa pamilya sa inyong leader is ang iya rang mga negosyo? (lite tone to ha)
sa posts nimo, it implies nga ang leader ninyo wala gyud magnhilabot sa kwarta sa church bisan usa ka sentimo/ kung sayop ko, unsa man gyud bi, mugamit siya dili?

murag duda ko bungkagon nasad ni nimo nga storyaha.

1 Una wala moy Tithes
2 sunod naa lang moy offering

3 sunod nay negosyo ang inyo leader og broadcasting sad... agree ko sa usa ka posting bro, kamahala ana, gibaratuhan ka sa equipment og sa airtime ana?

Mag libog man sad ta nimo bro kung unsa...

[Then try to review my post kung naa ba koy gipost nga "siya ra". Kami tanan musupport, pero ang Leader musupport pud sa buluhaton og labaw sa tanan sa iya kaugalingong panginahanglan.]

So ang leader ninyo, mugamit d ay sa kwarta sa buluhaton? ky quote: labaw sa tanan sa iya kaugalingong panginahanglan.

can you expound?


Quote from: pijavier on December 14, 2007, 10:40:03 PM
over react man dayun ka. A simple no would have been suffice. SO naa gyud mo ihatag sa church because ipalabas man nimo nga wala moy hatag hatag sa inyong church...
over react ko? aw imo pud na wala koy mahimo.
asa ako post nga dili mi muhatag? klaro ana nga amo basehan kay:

7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
2 corinthians 9:7

so muhatag mi nga malipayon ang kasingkasing.

God loves a cheerful giver, sakto.

Quote from: pijavier on December 14, 2007, 10:40:03 PM
Diretso man daun kag labay og verse and push nga wala na ang Tithes and Offering... the question in this thread is "Tithes and Offering: Do you give the exact amount in church?"
bro, wait lang murag you're not on the right track in reading my post.
Asa ko niingon or ni post nga wala na ang offering? TITHES ang wala na, review again my post if you don't mind.
Don't make a ghost that in the end you will be scared of it.
Ok. Klaro na ni no further reactions needed.
Peace