The KOBE vs JORDAN Debate

[djereza]

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yeap Walton was resigned...

You see the lakers rosters has a lot of potential players but the thing is they don't know their role in the system. Thats the difference between the Bulls players. They may not be good but at least they know how to play the triangle.

[footlose1]

yeap Walton was resigned...

You see the lakers rosters has a lot of potential players but the thing is they don't know their role in the system. Thats the difference between the Bulls players. They may not be good but at least they know how to play the triangle.

yep correct, diha nimo ma question ang leadership ni kobe.. kung skills ang istoryahan, no doubt equal sila.. why is jordan better than kobe? na polished ni MJ ang skills sa iya teamate.. remember and 1996-98 nga players sa bulls ang core members ra sa ila first championship kay si Pippen ra og Jordan..

they lost armstrong and grant - both were all stars.... and were on their prime when they left the bulls..
the lakers are young needs time to understand the system.. kobe once despised the triangle offense, but now he's calling it back tsk tsk tsk..

.. mike once complain about his teamates, once a ball hog but the moment he learned his lessons, look how far did he go......

taling about Harper, kukoc and rodman as potential starters on other team - agree except harper, he is passed his prime when he came to the bulls.. na starter lang siya sa lakers bec. of phil jackson.
Rodman - the best rebounder ever.. but look naunsa siya pag human sa glory days sa bulss, a lot of teams despised this guy, rockstar kaayo batasan.. pero way lain na ka control niya except jordan.
kukoc - no queston, good scorer weak defender......

lets see what kobe can do with their mediocre line up...... mao ma na ang challenge niya, to polished his teamates... if jordan can do it why cant he?
dont blame, the management, dont blame the insonsistency of his teamates.... naa na sa leader kung unsaon niya..

as of now wa pa ko kita nga ni grow si kobe, this previous months, he keep on demanding..... mas but an pa man niya si Lebron.. you dont see lebron do those kind of things..

mao ni buhaton ni kobe no..... kay karon polished naman gyud iya skills , no question, the best scorer and at the same time a fierce defender, a good passer, rebounder and probably the greatest player today... he needs to polished his teamates.... Jordan has a lot of heartbreaks before reaching his goal

remember BJ Armstrong, Scottie Pippen, and Horace Grant - were mediocre when they came to the league.. but grabe ila improvement... with the exception of armstrong kay nahupas siya sa later years.


a good leader can awlays take his followers to their promised land..

[moyti]

As long as Kobe is playing spectacular whether the Lakers are winning or not, there will always be the comparison to Michael Jordan. He's the closest to Jordan after all these years. Names like Vince Carter, Grant Hill and even Penny Hardaway and Allen Iverson came up but all comparisons just died down because they weren't able to keep up with the expectations. As for Kobe, since his rookie year with the Lakers and when Jordan was still with the Bulls, he was already dubbed as the "Air Apparent". And until now, Kobe just keeps getting better and better that's why everybody is pitting him up against Jordan.

There will never be another Jordan, not even LeBron or Carmelo or even Kobe will be or MJ's son will be. Michael Jordan is Michael Jordan, but by being the "best" in the eyes of most people now, Kobe of course will be compared to nothing less than the NBA's and the world's greatest himself.

good point here...

"He's not Michael Jordan, He's God disguised as Michael Jordan" - Larry Bird

"He's so great it scares me!" - Steve Kerr

[yokam]

There will always be "what ifs", "should'ves" and "could'ves" regarding Kobe if we compare him to Jordan right now. What if Kobe had better teammates? What if Kobe had a better management like Jordan? Can he reach the same heights as Jordan did? Can he create a legacy of his own as great as MJ's?

One of the very main reasons why Kobe can't hardly go far in the NBA now is the very reason that he's got one of the worst back-ups in the NBA and one of the worst decision-making management in the NBA and that's the truth. The Lakers has made it to the playoffs for 2 out of 3 seasons since Shaq left and Kobe leading the team alone and resulted to 2 straight first round exits. It's clear Kobe can lead the Lakers but he alone is not enough. If not for Derek Fisher's daughter, the Lakers might have ended with virtually almost the same line-up as the had last season with a couple of rookies they got from the draft and not added a more reliable player in their roster. They had a good shot of acquiring both perennial stars Jermaine O'Neal and Jason Kidd and passed on. If Jerry Krause (Chicago Bulls' GM during Jordan's reign) were to have those opportunities, no doubt he'll not pass.

Whether if Kobe will motivate and let his teammates improve or the management itself will make a move to compensate for all the team's lapses and weaknesses, the bottom line, they need players who can help the Lakers and ease the burden of Kobe Bryant. We have seen what Kobe can do during the FIBA America qualifiers, he's a team player if he's got reliable and able teammates.

When it comes to skill, both are comparable. When it comes to maturity and leadership, Jordan's got the vote. Yet if given the same level of skill of line-up as what Jordan had with Pippen and the numerous other Chicago Bulls line-ups, we still don't know how far Kobe can go. Basketball is a team sport, one man simply can't win it all, even Jordan and the Bulls can't get past the Detroit Pistons a couple of times.

[thadzonline]

mao..MJ had Pip, Ron Harper, D Rodman, Toni Kukoc...these guys are starters on any given team, maybe all-stars..hehe...Kobe what he has now are lame sitting ducks who depends too much to him..or defer too much to him..

The Bulls did not have Rodman in the first 3-peat..and the Lakers starters are potential starters in other teams too, in fact have started in their previous teams: Odom with Miami, Radmanovic with Seattle, Kwame with the Wizards and even Chris Mihm..I doubt Longley could start if he was with a team other than the Bulls, or Burrell, Buechler, even Steve Kerr.

makalaro jud ang difference sa confidence ni MJ sa iya teammates versus the confidence of Kobe sa iya teammates.

But even you are all right, even if MJ had the best of trust sa iya teammates sa Wizards, wala man gani sila mulahutay..but still in the Wizards MJ tried to show he trusted..I haven't seen Kobe take that much risk

[borgy1981]

The Bulls did not have Rodman in the first 3-peat..and the Lakers starters are potential starters in other teams too, in fact have started in their previous teams: Odom with Miami, Radmanovic with Seattle, Kwame with the Wizards and even Chris Mihm..I doubt Longley could start if he was with a team other than the Bulls, or Burrell, Buechler, even Steve Kerr.

makalaro jud ang difference sa confidence ni MJ sa iya teammates versus the confidence of Kobe sa iya teammates.

But even you are all right, even if MJ had the best of trust sa iya teammates sa Wizards, wala man gani sila mulahutay..but still in the Wizards MJ tried to show he trusted..I haven't seen Kobe take that much risk

well he did showed he trusted his teammates...look what happened during the 2005 NBA Playoffs, they went 3-1 against Phoenix...saonz...jologs man pud ni iyang teammates...Kobe's game is evolving to greater heights and his teammates too, evolving to mediocrity...hehe..d man pud sila kabalo maikog ni Kobe grabeh kaau manlingkamot, makita man jud na nila sa practice nya sila pabanjingbanjing lang...tulog2 sa pansitan naa bitaw Kobe...hehehe

there's actually a similarity of MJ & Kobe in this situation regarding their teammates..it was MJ played for Washington and Kobe at present... teammates plays a big role in achieving one goal...

naa pud ni c Radmanovic, nainjured kay nag skating during holidays?! whaaaaatttttttt u should be practicing shooting balls, getting stronger or anything u can improve...skate after u retire dumba**......hehehe

[yokam]

The Bulls did not have Rodman in the first 3-peat..and the Lakers starters are potential starters in other teams too, in fact have started in their previous teams: Odom with Miami, Radmanovic with Seattle, Kwame with the Wizards and even Chris Mihm..I doubt Longley could start if he was with a team other than the Bulls, or Burrell, Buechler, even Steve Kerr.

They did because of the very fact that such teams have very mediocre line-ups. Probably except for Odom, Radmanovic is the better choice for Seattle over Nick Collison (who was still a rookie) and the older Vitaly Potapenko as well as Kwame for the Wizards. Take note that even Brendan Haywood who comes off the bench for the Wizards took away most of Brown's minutes when he started to improve.

But even you are all right, even if MJ had the best of trust sa iya teammates sa Wizards, wala man gani sila mulahutay..but still in the Wizards MJ tried to show he trusted..I haven't seen Kobe take that much risk

It was not really that he trusted his teammates but it's more of he already understands that he's way, way beyond his prime and during his Wizards days, Jordan knows that a lot of younger players are way better than him.

Jordan's stint with the Wizards was to help the younger Wizards and give them more experience which eventually really paid off especially for Richard Hamilton who turned out to be a sensation in Detroit. It's just one of the stories that MJ can turn a player into a star.

well he did showed he trusted his teammates...look what happened during the 2005 NBA Playoffs, they went 3-1 against Phoenix...saonz...jologs man pud ni iyang teammates...Kobe's game is evolving to greater heights and his teammates too, evolving to mediocrity...hehe..d man pud sila kabalo maikog ni Kobe grabeh kaau manlingkamot, makita man jud na nila sa practice nya sila pabanjingbanjing lang...tulog2 sa pansitan naa bitaw Kobe...hehehe

What Kobe showed during the 2005 playoffs was pure heart and desire to win and involving his teammates came in second, after all that's what the Lakers has been doing during those times, everything revolves around Kobe. And during the game 7, he showed his immaturity. Where was he when the Lakers needed him the most? Nangluod and almost never took a shot in the 4th quarter.

[thadzonline]

and during MJ's prime, iyaha jud legacy is that because of the respect of his Bull's teammates, his presence in the team alone motivated everyone to work harder on their game. Partly to blame pod ang glitter sa Hollywood mao siguro makadistract sa other Lakers, pero MJ earned far more respect from his teammates than Kobe had. maayo siguro i-trade na si Kobe away from the Lakers coz it will do him a lot of good playing out of a city nga dili pareha kagrabe ug buzz and distractions sa LA

[borgy1981]

and during MJ's prime, iyaha jud legacy is that because of the respect of his Bull's teammates, his presence in the team alone motivated everyone to work harder on their game. Partly to blame pod ang glitter sa Hollywood mao siguro makadistract sa other Lakers, pero MJ earned far more respect from his teammates than Kobe had. maayo siguro i-trade na si Kobe away from the Lakers coz it will do him a lot of good playing out of a city nga dili pareha kagrabe ug buzz and distractions sa LA

if this will come true...I hope time permits....since Kobe is 29 and he has 5-6 years left in his tank...he should pick Chicago...they don't have the best talent but they have the heart, dedication, discipline to stay competitive in the league...well if this would happen, mas dako jud kaaug pressure for Kobe since his playing for MJ's town...

[thadzonline]

hmm..chicago now with Ben Wallace, Kirk Hinrich and Ben Gordon plus Kobe? wow! pero dako pressure oi kay diha gikan si MJ..ako i'd rather pick Cleveland para kuyog sila Lebron, hehehe, deadly one-two punch at the wing..dili pud basta basta lineup sa Cavs oi, just needs a little tweaking