is too much *** the cause of uncontrolled population?

[mannyamador]

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Guess I'll have to re-post this since the "overpopulation" doomsayers are repeating the same false arguments all over again.
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Does Population Growth Really Exacerbate Poverty?
http://www.phnix.net/exacerbate.html
http://mamador.wordpress.com/2007/05...rbate-poverty/

It is often alleged that high population growth and high population density result in greater consumption of
resource in a locale and as such are "contributing factors" to poverty. These factors should be reduced as
they "exacerbate" poverty.

That is a flawed argument. Let's examine the logic.

We have to remember that ANY activity that consumes resources can be considered a "contributing
factor" that "exacerbates" poverty including such activities as manufacturing, raising livestock, and planting.
But should we now lessen such productive activity?

And if having more people "exacerbates" poverty, then aren't such things as decreased infant mortality and
longer life expectancy also "contributing factors" that "exacerbate" poverty? Should we now close hospitals
so more of these "contributing factors" can die off?

What about art and culture? These use up resources too and don't produce a whole lot of mass consumables.
Should we minimize these beneficial "contributing factors" too?

Argumentum ad absurdum. The argument of the population controllers leads to absurd conclusions.


The Benefits of Population Growth

Although it is true that, in general, bigger populations can consume more resources than a smaller one,
people do more than merely consume. They also produce, just as manufacturing does.

In addition, high population density allows for mass markets, greater interaction, more efficient distribution
of services, and economies of scale. Growing populations can also mean growing markets and increased
innovation. It's no wonder that people are generally acknowledged as nation's most valuable resource.

If population density and population growth contribute to productivity in such important ways, why then
should these be singled out as something to be minimized while other productive "contributing factors"
aren't?


The Real Causes of Poverty

More important, why should the government spend millions on trying to minimize a productive "contributing
factor" when there are OTHER, greater contributing factors that are NOT PRODUCTIVE at all?

Numerous surveys, for example, have shown that the economic situation in the Philippines (and in many
other countries as well) is adversely affected by massive government graft and corruption, siphoning away
anywhere from 30-70% of tax revenues and government funds, depending on which survey you look at.
Shouldn't efforts be focused on eliminating this proven "contributing factor" instead?

Private sector greed and corruption is just as alarming, and may be just as much a cause of poverty -- or a
contributing or exacerbating factor. Do not land-grabbing, bribery, overpricing, tax evasion, oppression,
and drug trafficking contribute far more to poverty?

What about the excessive use of pork barrel funds? How much money does that take away from the
edcuation budget? Or incessant partisan politicking? How productive is that activity? Dare I mention
misplacing some of the Marcos millions, divdrsion of funds, and war? Aren't these "contributing" more to
poverty and "exacerbating" it?

The existence of these other causes of poverty indicate that perhaps a large population doesn't really
cause poverty at all, nor contribute to poverty in a significant way.

Why then are Edcel Lagman and other legislators proposing that we waste millions of pesos on population
control programs designed to attack a factor that has NOT been proven to cause poverty in the first place?
Why don't they attack the REAL causes instead?

Sadly, there's too much foreign money coming into to fund population control than to eliminate corruption
and greed. One wonders, are these foreign interests really trying to help the Philippines, or do they have
a different agenda?

That is the question we should all be asking.

[tulisan666]

The existence of these other causes of poverty indicate that perhaps a large population doesn't really
cause poverty at all, nor contribute to poverty in a significant way.

huwat!?

people consume resources.

imagine too may people consuming limited resources.

it does help to be aware...

as for the "christian policy", christians better think twice before playing with their seeds.hahaha

[mannyamador]

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people consume resources.

imagine too may people consuming limited resources.

Please re-read and understand the entire article. People also PRODUCE! And organized societies can produce FAR MORE than they normally consume.

As for limited resources, the earth's resources are theoretically limited, but the actual needs of human populations are so small that we will never exhaust the earth's essential resources. The world can sustain many times the current population of the earth, and the UN Population Division has already stated that the world's population will NEVER double again. So population growth will never cause us to run out of essential resources. The numbers don't lie.

[yokam]

Directly, of course it's ***. But in the deeper approach, it's actually the people's lack of discipline and setting the wrong priorities that cause a drastic and uncontrolled rise in the population.

[cerebus]

it's ignorance and irresponsibility.

a response to mannyamador about people also produce (stuffs?). i found a flaw in that argument. for human to produce, they needed earth's resources and those resources are not all renewable or easily replace. take example fossil fuel or the forest.

overpopulation is not a myth. china knows that. if they do not control their population they will overtake their resources and it's already happening. also to produce more from what they already have, they have to do a lot of shortcuts to the expense of the environment.

but i don't really care about the chinese. i'm more worried about our country. with the current situation, a respite from unhealthy population growth will help. it will take less resources and capital to educate our people. and with educated people we could reduce graft and corruption.

[tulisan666]

Please re-read and understand the entire article. People also PRODUCE! And organized societies can produce FAR MORE than they normally consume.

As for limited resources, the earth's resources are theoretically limited, but the actual needs of human populations are so small that we will never exhaust the earth's essential resources. The world can sustain many times the current population of the earth, and the UN Population Division has already stated that the world's population will NEVER double again. So population growth will never cause us to run out of essential resources. The numbers don't lie.

you have to understand, developing countries produce more babies than the "organized" one...then again, i could pin point countries under the Christian umbrella contributing a lot of baby booom.

yes, people do PRODUCE. Too many people using limited resources...too produce. dont tell us population growth will never cause us to run out of essential resources
because it does.

increasing population also increases waste production, which in return could affect several of our limited resources. com'on think about it.

[Generals]

it's ignorance and irresponsibility.

very important.

[crinkle]

in a way, yes. but it's entirely because of the lack of education--quality education.

[joshbonz]

As for limited resources, the earth's resources are theoretically limited, but the actual needs of human populations are so small that we will never exhaust the earth's essential resources.

its time to wake up dude and smell the changes all around you..you've been dreaming all the while already....

You can give all the facts and quote all the figures in some data sheet books all day and it still doesnt change the fact that we are increasing by leaps and bounds everyday...

Overpopulation is NEVER a myth and its real and it's looking at us straight in our face... It is a an ever growing menace in our society like a malignant tumor that unless we do something about it now, then we will never overcome it later.

In fact we are steadily beginning to feel the strain of this stigma already, and it's happening in some parts of the world also.. their country's natural resources are giving up on their people.. all because of overpopulation.. Overpopulation because of lack of education, resulting to ignorance in ***...

I pity those people who are pretending to be blind and deaf even if the problem is looking at them straight in the eye... yet they still veered away and look for some data sheet books to find any kind of logic or reason to answer it... tsk tsk tsk...

try to experience yourself living for a month in one of these areas (Pasil, Calamba, Bugnay or try Tondo, Manila)...

Not all can be found on figures.. sometimes you just have to live and experience the issue to know the real brevity of it...

*** + ignorance = Overpopulation = Increase in Society Crimes = Economic starvation = _ _ _ etc. etc... Do I need to add more??

[bobbyb]

Overpopulation is bull***t! Just like Drought and Starvation!

Overcrowding hinuon. Daghan pa kaayong swathes of open spaces. Nganong matipun-ok man gyud tang tanan sa mga siyudad! Mao ra gyud na. Ang pagka materialistic sa society is to blame. Bisan maubhi ang tao sa pang-uma ug pagtanom ug mga lagotmon, moanhi gyud sa siyudad kay gusto makapanagiya ug mga butang-butang, Cellphone, TV, ipod, lacoste, Nike, San Mig. We are all under the spell sa mga corporations.

Ahhhh! Mabuhi man gani ang halas nga walay kamot ug tiil.

Edukasyon ang solusyon ug ang pagusab sa panglantaw sa lifestyle.