If someone ask you "Luwas na ba ka?", whats ur answer?

[mr.ho_chia2]

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care to elaborate on ur understanding of what he is talking about?

all are sinners and come short to the glory of GOD.
that salvation is by grace of GOD (free, we are undeserving of, yet GOD gave it to us anyway, because of His love to us) and not what we do (good works). Otherwise the death of Christ was unnecessary, if we can be save by what we do and that is by doing good works alone.
but by our very nature what good work can we really do to please a perfect GOD? well to me nothing.

But should we no longer do good works because of grace? not at all, we do more good work because GOD has been gracious to us and because we are now genuinely saved doing good work is what we aspire because it is a form of worship to GOD.

only the fool will think that we can continue doing things that displeases GOD because we are saved by grace and not by good works.

I tried to explain this long time ago and we end up arguing alot. i know this one will not change your view either but still I indulge your queries. I hope you're satisfied. thanks for asking........

[nemmo723]

@Mr Ho

basically, ur saying it does not end in faith only.. pretty much what i said many posts ago. do you not understand that ironside keeps on pushing that its thru faith only.. it does not end there.. as u say it, only the fool will think that we can continue doing things that displeases GOD because we are saved by grace and not by good works. it does not end in faith only. now ur contradicting ironside's posts and agreeing with rcruman instead.

and ur presumptions about my views again disappoint me.. tsk,tsk. why do you claim so much about how i view things? you are merely contradicting yourself in doing so..

[mr.ho_chia2]

Quoted from ironside:

a) Christians are freed from condemnation not because of anything meritorious they did for God. But simply because of the fact that they are IN CHRIST. IN Christ there is no condemnation because IN CHRIST is forgiveness and redemption.


Christians are not saved by their own good works but BY THE GOOD WORK OF CHRIST ON THE CROSS.


Exactly, Christians are saved by grace through faith....not of works, but they are new creatures in Christ, created FOR GOOD WORKS. Christians are saved by grace through faith for good works. They are not saved by good works.

It is his trust in the work of Christ that justified him before God. His good works are the necesarry result of justification. Christians are justified and saved to do good works.
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sounds like the same belief I have. Salvation by grace through faith and not by good works.
good works follow after salvation. very reasonable to me sir nemmo. this is what the Bible is teaching as well.

sir, ako lang i stress ha, that i don't want to create friction again, if you must disagree, ok lang, ako lang gpoint ang belief ni ironside that i agree with. thanks for reading.

sorry if i made that presumption. tao lang po that dis-appoint a lot of other people including my family. hehe

[nemmo723]

so ur trying to say that ur not responsible for any good works you have done AFTER you have been saved thru faith in christ?
who does the good works? is it not you yourself?

[mr.ho_chia2]

so ur trying to say that ur not responsible for any good works you have done AFTER you have been saved thru faith in christ?
who does the good works? is it not you yourself?

no your getting it all wrong sir. kita ghapon, but the salvation we get to received from the kindness of GOD propel us to do things as HE pleases and part of it is good works. kita ghapon sir. it is not like we will be possessed for someone else to do things for us.

mura sab ba that if we love our girlfriend or wife, we want to give freely, flowers, chocolates, rings that will surprise or elate the one we love, automatic na, as we see our wife happy, we become happy as well.

the same as with good works, as we understand how undeserving we are of that salvation, and what the LORD have to undergo and give up for our, for my sake, just for me to be saved, then doing things that pleases the LORD GOD Almighty is but a natural thing to do, and that includes your good works sir.

[rcruman]

aw sus kung imo tanaw kulang ang binuhatan ni CHRIST pun-i gud. nya ilatag dri arun sunon sa mga katawhan.

so bali CHRIST + rcruman = Salvation.

is that it sir?

Naa ba diay koy giingon nga kulang ang gibuhat ni CHRIST?
Kinsay nakiglalis nga kulang ang gibuhat ni CHRIST?
Christ has His part as an example but His example is useless if we don't follow.
Siya bitaw ingon nga "teach them to observe the things I've commanded".

Peace!

[mr.ho_chia2]

aw kung wala. then mas ok nuon........ we will follw as Christ teaches us. thanks for clarifying sir rc ruman

[rcruman]

no your getting it all wrong sir. kita ghapon, but the salvation we get to received from the kindness of GOD propel us to do things as HE pleases and part of it is good works. kita ghapon sir. it is not like we will be possessed for someone else to do things for us.

So you mean no one can be blame because the kindness of God propel us to do things?
Let me ask you bro, do you commit sins?
Will holy spirit teach you to commit sins?
Or let me say when you commit sins the Holy Spirit did it?

PEace!

[rcruman]

aw kung wala. then mas ok nuon........ we will follw as Christ teaches us. thanks for clarifying sir rc ruman

In what verse that Christ teaches that once saved is always saved?

Peace!

[mr.ho_chia2]

in which verse did you see the Holy Trinity? the Triune GOD of the Jews and the gentiles?