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    Quote Originally Posted by Malic View Post
    psssst...I never felt insulted.

    bomba diri bomba didto? asa man? ok pa man among simbahan kebs wala man ma bombahan.

    tan-awa ra gud ng imong mga statement diha...wala na sa lugar bisan asa lagpot ang topic.

    attacking you? you mean katong evolution ni Jesus? dili to attack kebs oi. ingun ko didto " let us Study " , saon you fail man to defend it, so ani na lang ta ani...mag sige na lang ka ug pangitag paagi nga maka balos.
    are you watching news or what? bomb exploded in mosque just recently.

    Baghdad mosques rocked by bomb attacks as 29 people are killed during Friday prayers | Mail Online

    Bomb blast at Iranian mosque kills 15

    nowadays brad its so ordinary that somebody blew up... we DONT EVEN BOTHER to read. Thats no unusual if you go with them one day...

    You got a personality problem MALIC. Karon, nga naangin na imo mga igso... demand naka ceasefire... THINK BEFORE REACT. YOU BETTER APOLOGIZE FOR BEING ARROGANT AND INGORANT BRAD maybe that will convince. But im sure your EGO dictates the opposite so gud luck. Pataka man gud ka tira brad. You could have helped clean up the thread... tanawa rn na among sa imo kalaki c ms. pigrah (which i have my utmost respect). tsk tsk tsk.
    Last edited by kebotDiNaMute; 08-12-2009 at 12:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kebotDiNaMute View Post
    are you watching news or what? bomb exploded in mosque just recently.

    Baghdad mosques rocked by bomb attacks as 29 people are killed during Friday prayers | Mail Online

    Bomb blast at Iranian mosque kills 15

    nowadays brad its so ordinary that somebody blew up... we DONT EVEN BOTHER to read. Thats no unusual if you go with them one day...

    I don't find it ordinary kebs...do you?

    well again its extremism. nothing to do with real Islam.

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    Are Violence and Extremism Islamic Phenomena?
    by: Mufti Yusuf Al-Qadarawi


    It is very important to note that violence is not an Islamic phenomenon. There is no meeting point between Islam and violence as practiced by terrorist groups in different parts of the world. The true religion of Allah does not permit aggression, violence, injustice, or oppression. At the same time, it calls to morality, justice, tolerance, and peace.

    Responding to the question, the prominent Muslim scholar Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi states the following:

    It cannot be said that violence is an Islamic phenomenon. Violence has no religion or nationality. If some Islamic groups are involved in violence and are considered extremist, there are also other groups and even nations that are known for committing acts of violence, such as Israel, or Hindu groups in India.

    Violence has no nationality; it exists everywhere. The list of individuals, groups, or even nations that use violence to attain political aims is quite long. Israel has the worst record of using violence and committing atrocities against the Palestinian people as well as the Lebanese.

    Some people, particularly Marxists and communists in general, want to interpret the phenomenon of violence as the result of economic injustice. We cannot deny the truth in this explanation. The Qur’an did not underestimate the financial factor in explaining certain phenomena such as killing the children out of destitution or out of fear of pauperism.

    Others explain violence using the conspiracy scheme, meaning that behind all this violence is a diabolic design. This interpretation is quite popular; it alleviates any sort of responsibility because someone else is accountable, and at the same time it renders us impotent vis-à-vis political oppression. We are facing religious, social, and political oppressions. The human being is free; therefore one should not accept this explication. Even if some people really are conspiring against us, is that an excuse? Why don’t we make our own plan? Should we always be victimized by others?

    A single answer to this phenomenon is unacceptable, because it is a multi-faceted, compounded, and complex problem. Some of the reasons behind this phenomenon could be attributed to internal, external, and psychological factors; some can be attributed to intellectual factors; others are social or economic. Some people focus on the external factors. This is neither objective nor scientific thinking; there must be a reconciliation between all the factors.

    There are many factors to this phenomenon:

    1. The absence of a moderate line of thinking. It is important that prevalent moderate Islamic thought come into the open in order for a multitude of young people to find their way instead of going underground. The absence of such a line of thinking left the ground open for extremist thought and philosophy.

    2. The absence of true scholars who are capable to convince with the proofs from the Qur’an and Sunnah. Their absence left the arena open to unqualified, the so-called scholars working for the authorities. Consequently, the youth lost confidence and appointed themselves as sheikhs to issue fatwas on complicated problems.

    3. Oppression of the people and lack of democracy led the people to take things into their own hands. Oppression breeds violence, and violence breeds more violence.

    4. The non-application of the Shari`ah is also a main factor, as many countries state that Islam is the official religion of the country, and others may add that Islam is the main source of the laws. After this, people see enacted laws that run counter to the Shari`ah, and for sure such laws provoke young men to commit acts of violence.

    5. The propagation of corruption and the proliferation of oppression in society are also reasons for frustration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malic View Post
    Are Violence and Extremism Islamic Phenomena?
    by: Mufti Yusuf Al-Qadarawi


    It is very important to note that violence is not an Islamic phenomenon. There is no meeting point between Islam and violence as practiced by terrorist groups in different parts of the world. The true religion of Allah does not permit aggression, violence, injustice, or oppression. At the same time, it calls to morality, justice, tolerance, and peace.

    Responding to the question, the prominent Muslim scholar Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi states the following:

    It cannot be said that violence is an Islamic phenomenon. Violence has no religion or nationality. If some Islamic groups are involved in violence and are considered extremist, there are also other groups and even nations that are known for committing acts of violence, such as Israel, or Hindu groups in India.

    Violence has no nationality; it exists everywhere. The list of individuals, groups, or even nations that use violence to attain political aims is quite long. Israel has the worst record of using violence and committing atrocities against the Palestinian people as well as the Lebanese.

    Some people, particularly Marxists and communists in general, want to interpret the phenomenon of violence as the result of economic injustice. We cannot deny the truth in this explanation. The Qur’an did not underestimate the financial factor in explaining certain phenomena such as killing the children out of destitution or out of fear of pauperism.

    Others explain violence using the conspiracy scheme, meaning that behind all this violence is a diabolic design. This interpretation is quite popular; it alleviates any sort of responsibility because someone else is accountable, and at the same time it renders us impotent vis-à-vis political oppression. We are facing religious, social, and political oppressions. The human being is free; therefore one should not accept this explication. Even if some people really are conspiring against us, is that an excuse? Why don’t we make our own plan? Should we always be victimized by others?

    A single answer to this phenomenon is unacceptable, because it is a multi-faceted, compounded, and complex problem. Some of the reasons behind this phenomenon could be attributed to internal, external, and psychological factors; some can be attributed to intellectual factors; others are social or economic. Some people focus on the external factors. This is neither objective nor scientific thinking; there must be a reconciliation between all the factors.

    There are many factors to this phenomenon:

    1. The absence of a moderate line of thinking. It is important that prevalent moderate Islamic thought come into the open in order for a multitude of young people to find their way instead of going underground. The absence of such a line of thinking left the ground open for extremist thought and philosophy.

    2. The absence of true scholars who are capable to convince with the proofs from the Qur’an and Sunnah. Their absence left the arena open to unqualified, the so-called scholars working for the authorities. Consequently, the youth lost confidence and appointed themselves as sheikhs to issue fatwas on complicated problems.

    3. Oppression of the people and lack of democracy led the people to take things into their own hands. Oppression breeds violence, and violence breeds more violence.

    4. The non-application of the Shari`ah is also a main factor, as many countries state that Islam is the official religion of the country, and others may add that Islam is the main source of the laws. After this, people see enacted laws that run counter to the Shari`ah, and for sure such laws provoke young men to commit acts of violence.

    5. The propagation of corruption and the proliferation of oppression in society are also reasons for frustration.
    unsa ni na sect brad, shi'ite or sunni?

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    COVENTRY, England — More than 1,000 Muslim teens joined this week the three-day “Al Hidayah" (Guidance) camp in the central city of Coventry, dedicated to shield them against the dangers of extremism.

    "I feel it is my duty to save the younger generation from radicalization," Muhammed Tahir ul-Qadri, a 58-year-Sufi preacher, told Reuters.

    "We need to prepare them mentally and academically, intellectually and spiritually, against extremist tendencies and radical and terrorist attitudes," he added.


    Qadri, who was born in Pakistan but now lives in Canada, is the main draw at the three-day retreat, delivering several lectures and question-and-answer sessions.

    His message is about moderation, peace, inclusion and understanding.

    "Islam is not a religion of seclusion, it is not a religion of detachment," he told an auditorium packed by attentive young audience.

    He urged them to respect followers of other faiths and show the true image of Islam.

    Qadri is also preaching them that men and women are equal within Islam.

    "What he says is mind-opening, it makes you feel good as a woman," said Sofia Saeed, a 27-year-old legal assistant who traveled from Manchester to attend the camp.

    "There's no discrimination here. It makes you feel like a stronger believer, a stronger person," she said, comfortably mixing designer sunglasses with her hijab.

    Over the past five years "Al Hidayah" has reportedly grown into the biggest spiritual camp of its kind, with more than 1,200 attendees from a dozen countries.

    The campers -- girls and boys wearing traditional dress -- sit separately in the auditorium.

    Sufism

    Over the past five years "Al Hidayah" has reportedly grown into the biggest spiritual camp of its kind. (Reuters)
    Qadri advises the Muslim teens to be careful not to fall into the traps of radical ideologies.

    "Any killer of a non-Muslim citizen, he will go to hell,” he hollers, to shouts of approval from his followers.

    “Those who are committing terroristic acts from Pakistan and Afghanistan and claiming it is jihad -- they do not know what jihad is. It is forbidden. There will not be janna (paradise) for them."

    Jihad is one of the most misunderstood, and abused aspects of Islam.

    Muslim scholars concur that the word means "struggle" to do good and to remove injustice, oppression and evil from society.

    This struggle should be spiritual as well as social, economic and political.

    "We need to provide them with an awakening of the true picture of Islam," says Qadri, the author of more than 400 books on Islamic scholarship and law.

    He is a renowned scholar of Sufism who travels the world delivering sermons to Sufis.

    His Minhaj ul-Quran organization has spread to 80 countries, from Greece to Fiji, since its 1981 founding.

    Western governments keen to tackle the spread of radicalism in their countries have worked with Sufi scholars and tried to emphasize their teachings.

    In Britain, home to more than 2 million Muslims, the government at first worked to promote Sufism, supporting the creation in 2006 of the Sufi Muslim Council, a group that took a strong stand against extremism.

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    RAIN or SHINE ..... ha ha ha SYARO.... ---Mortal Kombat---

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malic View Post
    I don't find it ordinary kebs...do you?

    well again its extremism. nothing to do with real Islam.
    I don't find it ordinary kebs...do you?
    --- well i read that everyday... so whats the difference of the bombing yesterday and today...

    well again its extremism. nothing to do with real Islam
    --- well they believe in the same ALLAH and KORAN. Don't take away that promise from them unless you are one of them. ALLAH + KORAN = MUSLIM dba?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kebotDiNaMute View Post
    I don't find it ordinary kebs...do you?
    --- well i read that everyday... so whats the difference of the bombing yesterday and today...

    well again its extremism. nothing to do with real Islam
    --- well they believe in the same ALLAH and KORAN. Don't take away that promise from them unless you are one of them. ALLAH + KORAN = MUSLIM dba?
    i dont think that way keb...

    so its like this..

    Jimmy Swaggart committed adultery, christian di ba? ikaw christian pud ka, you believe in the same God and bible.

    God+bible=christian

    so tanang christian adulterer.

    thats how you think?
    Last edited by Malic; 08-12-2009 at 01:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SEED OF LIBER View Post
    RAIN or SHINE ..... ha ha ha SYARO.... ---Mortal Kombat---

    suko man gud kaayp ni siya nako. kay nabisto iyang " the authors of the Gospels were eye-witnesses ".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malic View Post
    COVENTRY, England — More than 1,000 Muslim teens joined this week the three-day “Al Hidayah" (Guidance) camp in the central city of Coventry, dedicated to shield them against the dangers of extremism.

    "I feel it is my duty to save the younger generation from radicalization," Muhammed Tahir ul-Qadri, a 58-year-Sufi preacher, told Reuters.

    "We need to prepare them mentally and academically, intellectually and spiritually, against extremist tendencies and radical and terrorist attitudes," he added.


    Qadri, who was born in Pakistan but now lives in Canada, is the main draw at the three-day retreat, delivering several lectures and question-and-answer sessions.

    His message is about moderation, peace, inclusion and understanding.

    "Islam is not a religion of seclusion, it is not a religion of detachment," he told an auditorium packed by attentive young audience.

    He urged them to respect followers of other faiths and show the true image of Islam.

    Qadri is also preaching them that men and women are equal within Islam.

    "What he says is mind-opening, it makes you feel good as a woman," said Sofia Saeed, a 27-year-old legal assistant who traveled from Manchester to attend the camp.

    "There's no discrimination here. It makes you feel like a stronger believer, a stronger person," she said, comfortably mixing designer sunglasses with her hijab.

    Over the past five years "Al Hidayah" has reportedly grown into the biggest spiritual camp of its kind, with more than 1,200 attendees from a dozen countries.

    The campers -- girls and boys wearing traditional dress -- sit separately in the auditorium.

    Sufism

    Over the past five years "Al Hidayah" has reportedly grown into the biggest spiritual camp of its kind. (Reuters)
    Qadri advises the Muslim teens to be careful not to fall into the traps of radical ideologies.

    "Any killer of a non-Muslim citizen, he will go to hell,” he hollers, to shouts of approval from his followers.

    “Those who are committing terroristic acts from Pakistan and Afghanistan and claiming it is jihad -- they do not know what jihad is. It is forbidden. There will not be janna (paradise) for them."

    Jihad is one of the most misunderstood, and abused aspects of Islam.

    Muslim scholars concur that the word means "struggle" to do good and to remove injustice, oppression and evil from society.

    This struggle should be spiritual as well as social, economic and political.

    "We need to provide them with an awakening of the true picture of Islam," says Qadri, the author of more than 400 books on Islamic scholarship and law.

    He is a renowned scholar of Sufism who travels the world delivering sermons to Sufis.

    His Minhaj ul-Quran organization has spread to 80 countries, from Greece to Fiji, since its 1981 founding.

    Western governments keen to tackle the spread of radicalism in their countries have worked with Sufi scholars and tried to emphasize their teachings.

    In Britain, home to more than 2 million Muslims, the government at first worked to promote Sufism, supporting the creation in 2006 of the Sufi Muslim Council, a group that took a strong stand against extremism.
    Wow its good to know you are working in resolving this bombing tragedy....
    More than 1,000 Muslim
    --- so whats the population of the MUSLIM Again? at least its a start. We will see on the result later I hope there is. Because its not funny anymore people dying because of religion... apil amo relihiyon brad na pagan aning panghitabo sa islamic religion. but we all have a share of the blame. But so long its not resolve, then YOU JUST CANNOT SELL YOUR RELIGION IS BETTER THAN MINE. ka gets ka brad?

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