MERGED: All About Hacienda Luisita and related issues

[FAQ]

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Makes no sense, why buying the land if 9 years later they have to give it to the farmers for free? Craazyy.

[bosin]

even Cory wasn't able to do anything about this issue, si NoyNoy pa?

and by the way, CARP is a joke and I know this for a fact.

hahahahaha! sakto gyud ka ani bro!!!

[dodong69]

Makes no sense, why buying the land if 9 years later they have to give it to the farmers for free? Craazyy.

hehe sakto gyud ka boss!

[gareb]

mata2x sa hari- taasa pud ana tubag nimo sa akong question oi! hehe
still am not convinced. why should i give the property which i owned? i payed for that property tapos kuhaon sa farmers? why? kung ikaw si Mr. Jose coungco sr. ihatag kaha nimo na sa mga farmers bisan ug usa ka kusing wala makahatag para ibayad sa loans nimo? its easy for you to say kay dili man ka tag-iya. pero ug imo kaha ni hatag nimo? cguro mo ingon gyud kag yes kay wlaman hehehe but kung naa aw that i dont know.

they own the property, yes. but they are not the ones laboring to make it productive. this is supposedly the entire spirit of the agrarian reform program.

to review history, the ownership of vast tracts of land in the philippines have always been tainted with blood. ever since spanish times, lands were just summarily taken away by those who know better legalese, or coerced the farmers into selling their own lands by intimidation and force, making them mere tenants in the lands that they used to own.

generation upon generation of tenant farmers have been staying in this hacienda, as well as other vast tracts of land across the country. they are the ones who labor to make these lands productive, relying on crumbs for their sustenance while those that own these lands get the lion's share.

even the supposed owners of these lands cannot deny that these vast expanses of land are useless without the farmers. and as much as they would like to deny it, it is obvious enough that this kind of set up exacerbates rural poverty.

agrarian reform then is to divide these lands and give it to the tenant farmers so that they can have control of their produce.

[dodong69]

they own the property, yes. but they are not the ones laboring to make it productive. this is supposedly the entire spirit of the agrarian reform program.

to review history, the ownership of vast tracts of land in the philippines have always been tainted with blood. ever since spanish times, lands were just summarily taken away by those who know better legalese, or coerced the farmers into selling their own lands by intimidation and force, making them mere tenants in the lands that they used to own.

generation upon generation of tenant farmers have been staying in this hacienda, as well as other vast tracts of land across the country. they are the ones who labor to make these lands productive, relying on crumbs for their sustenance while those that own these lands get the lion's share.

even the supposed owners of these lands cannot deny that these vast expanses of land are useless without the farmers. and as much as they would like to deny it, it is obvious enough that this kind of set up exacerbates rural poverty.

agrarian reform then is to divide these lands and give it to the tenant farmers so that they can have control of their produce.

and then what! sell it again? hehe pastilan dili nalang gud ta mag buhat ug balaod nga dili gyud epectibo! just like atong sumilon farmers still inig wala nay ika patanom iprenda then pag dili matubos ibaligya nalang. kani mga farmers sa luisita gatrabaho bani nga walay sweldo?

[gareb]

and then what! sell it again? hehe pastilan dili nalang gud ta mag buhat ug balaod nga dili gyud epectibo! just like atong sumilon farmers still inig wala nay ika patanom iprenda then pag dili matubos ibaligya nalang. kani mga farmers sa luisita gatrabaho bani nga walay sweldo?

i suggest you read the entire scope of CARP, specifically Chapter IX so that you can understand the safeguards against such eventualities.

i agree with you though that the law is not effective, but for an entirely different reason altogether. and that was precisely what mata_hari pointed out on her previous post about the SDO (stock distribution option) incorporated by Cory's administration.

i bet all your questions can be answered by reading all literature regarding the situation at Hacienda Luisita (as well as other places encountering similar issues); they are just a few clicks away. Sources vary from the World Bank, to the organizations of the farmers themselves.

[cebulifer]

mata2x sa hari- taasa pud ana tubag nimo sa akong question oi! hehe
still am not convinced. why should i give the property which i owned? i payed for that property tapos kuhaon sa farmers? why? kung ikaw si Mr. Jose coungco sr. ihatag kaha nimo na sa mga farmers bisan ug usa ka kusing wala makahatag para ibayad sa loans nimo? its easy for you to say kay dili man ka tag-iya. pero ug imo kaha ni hatag nimo? cguro mo ingon gyud kag yes kay wlaman hehehe but kung naa aw that i dont know.

"the rightful owners are the farmers... The Cojuangco-Aquino family has been running an estate of 6,453 hectares, Hacienda Luisita, since they bought it in 1958. Jose Cojuangco Sr., Cory’s father, received large loans to buy the hacienda, on the condition that it would be distributed to the farmers by 1967.

1967 passed with no distribution taking place."

Cojuangco's got loans from the government to buy the hacienda. First paragraph pa lang naa na ang tubag! To be distributed to the farmers by 1967. They didn't do it.

And I don't think the Cojuangcos paid back the loan! We don't know the actual wording of the loan agreement with the government. But I think the government side would say something like this: "We lend you the money, you distribute the land by 1967, and we call it quits afterwards!"

[cebulifer]

and then what! sell it again? hehe pastilan dili nalang gud ta mag buhat ug balaod nga dili gyud epectibo! just like atong sumilon farmers still inig wala nay ika patanom iprenda then pag dili matubos ibaligya nalang. kani mga farmers sa luisita gatrabaho bani nga walay sweldo?

less than minimum wage i suppose. pareho ra pud na sa mga farmers sa mga hacienda sa negros. the circle of poverty exists!

[dodong69]

less than minimum wage i suppose. pareho ra pud na sa mga farmers sa mga hacienda sa negros. the circle of poverty exists!

still its not right...

[gareb]

still its not right...

a reminder though, the landowner will be duly compensated by the state for the areas included under CARP.