Free Energy

[igibouy]

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Matter and Energy really aren’t in the same class and shouldn’t be paired in one’s mind.

Yes they are. look closely. Matter is just a macroscopic illusion. Everything around IS energy. Most of the mass is just nuclear binding energy.
Strong interaction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


But that explanation is a bit oversimplified, there is a bit of difference though
matter isn't in motion. E=mc^2, or to expand it a bit, E^2 = (pc)^2 + (mc^2)^2, indicates energy as a combination of motion energy and mass energy.

So to answer OP's question, Yes. There is free energy. Not in usable form as our current technology allows, but energy nonetheless. This doesn't fall into the realm of pseudoscience as you proclaimed.

And also there are these: Other sources of power such as gravity

Do you think gravity as energy?

yeah, what came to my mind with "free energy" is energy that can just be conjured out of n0where...much like the zer0-point energy.
I am thinking about the ZPM (Zero Point Module) featured in Stargate Atlantis...hehehe.

Uhmmm... Can't follow you. There is no such thing that exist.. At least at this time. Sorry, this falls under pseudo science.

Z.P.M. is a device that uses energy from an isolated region of subspace. The subspace entropies over time. ZPM has an entropy limit. If the subspace entropy reaches the ZPM limit, it cannot get any more zero-point energy. It'll be an empty zpm.
Btw, there's a difference between pseudoscience and science fiction: the latter isn't pretending to be non-fiction. You should stop labeling everything with it.

yes, i know. it is still the stuff of science fiction.

Yeah it does sound like science fiction, but it isn't as far-fetched as you think.
Zero point energy is the reference point given to an atom, molecule, or even the emptiness of space.
If we remove the radiation from an atom, the atom would still have the energy to cause movement. We call this energy "zero point energy".
Let's go on to the vacuum of space, as stated in a post before, there is a zpm field in a vacuum of space even though there is no matter or light energy. The energy from these fields is massive and inherent in any type of radiation spectrum.
I've read about this type of energy here
NASA - Some Emerging Possibilities | NASA
and it theorizes that "a cup's volume of the energy is enough to boil away the earth's water!", that's pretty amazing stuff

Back to Stargate, I would assume for zpm to work, a connection or a "bridge" will be created to the subspace, the connection would require energy to maintain itself so that would probably be a factor for the zpm's entropy limit. I reckon the connection would require energy from the field itself, very efficient if true . Energy from particles and radiation in the subspcace would then be extracted. Once the energy generated is lower than the energy required to maintain the connection, the zpm stops gathering energy.

Anyway, that's how I think a zpm works.

[igibouy]

Matter and Energy really aren’t in the same class and shouldn’t be paired in one’s mind.

Yes they are. look closely. Matter is just a macroscopic illusion. Everything around IS energy. Most of the mass is just nuclear binding energy.
Strong interaction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


But that explanation is a bit oversimplified, there is a bit of difference though
matter isn't in motion. E=mc^2, or to expand it a bit, E^2 = (pc)^2 + (mc^2)^2, indicates energy as a combination of motion energy and mass energy.

So to answer OP's question, Yes. There is free energy. Not in usable form as our current technology allows, but energy nonetheless. This doesn't fall into the realm of pseudoscience as you proclaimed.

And also there are these: Other sources of power such as gravity

Do you think gravity as energy?

yeah, what came to my mind with "free energy" is energy that can just be conjured out of n0where...much like the zer0-point energy.
I am thinking about the ZPM (Zero Point Module) featured in Stargate Atlantis...hehehe.

Uhmmm... Can't follow you. There is no such thing that exist.. At least at this time. Sorry, this falls under pseudo science.

Z.P.M. is a device that uses energy from an isolated region of subspace. The subspace entropies over time. ZPM has an entropy limit. If the subspace entropy reaches the ZPM limit, it cannot get any more zero-point energy. It'll be an empty zpm.
Btw, there's a difference between pseudoscience and science fiction: the latter isn't pretending to be non-fiction. You should stop labeling everything with it.

yes, i know. it is still the stuff of science fiction.

Yeah it does sound like science fiction, but it isn't as far-fetched as you think.
Zero point energy is the reference point given to an atom, molecule, or even the emptiness of space.
If we remove the radiation from an atom, the atom would still have the energy to cause movement. We call this energy "zero point energy".
Let's go on to the vacuum of space, as stated in a post before, there is a zpm field in a vacuum of space even though there is no matter or light energy. The energy from these fields is massive and inherent in any type of radiation spectrum.
I've read about this type of energy here
NASA - Some Emerging Possibilities | NASA
and it theorizes that "a cup's volume of the energy is enough to boil away the earth's water!", that's pretty amazing stuff

Back to Stargate, I would assume for zpm to work, a connection or a "bridge" will be created to the subspace, the connection would require energy to maintain itself so that would probably be a factor for the zpm's entropy limit. I reckon the connection would require energy from the field itself, very efficient if true . Energy from particles and radiation in the subspcace would then be extracted. Once the energy generated is lower than the energy required to maintain the connection, the zpm stops gathering energy.

Anyway, that's how I think a zpm works.

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[yhokz101]

Yes they are. look closely. Matter is just a macroscopic illusion. Everything around IS energy. Most of the mass is just nuclear binding energy.
Strong interaction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


But that explanation is a bit oversimplified, there is a bit of difference though
matter isn't in motion. E=mc^2, or to expand it a bit, E^2 = (pc)^2 + (mc^2)^2, indicates energy as a combination of motion energy and mass energy.

Energy of any object is equivalent to its mass, not to matter. Matter is a rather loosely defined term.

They say "matter is condensed energy" and that is simply meaningless, even though this phrase was coined based on quite correct interpretation of Einstein's formula (you stated above). So, matter and energy are really a different entities.

Matter, in fact, is an ambiguous term; there are several different definitions used in both scientific literature and in public discourse. Whereas, energy is not ambiguous (not within physics, anyway). But energy is not itself stuff; it is something that all stuff has.

So to answer OP's question, Yes. There is free energy. Not in usable form as our current technology allows, but energy nonetheless. This doesn't fall into the realm of pseudoscience as you proclaimed.

I beg to differ(sorry), since the free energy that he was referring to and what you mentioned is still a claim of which cannot be proven for now, and to say that it is really an free energy is a claim and cannot be proven thru sicience. It does not adhere to a valid scientific method or cannot be reliably tested, or otherwise lacks scientific status. Therefore as what mods here previously stated, it falls under pseudoscience.

Do you think gravity as energy?

Look at it this way, gravity is a source of great energy although that is a new idea for many people. Think about it. Hydro-electric power generation schemes have been in use now for many years. Those generators are driven by water flowing through them and that flow is caused by gravity. Without gravity, water would not flow downhill whether through a generator or not. In a sense I would say, yes gravity is energy.

For hundreds of years, water wheels have done useful work, pumping, grinding, hammering, operating bellows, etc. and it is gravity acting on the water which powers a water wheel.

Z.P.M. is a device that uses energy from an isolated region of subspace. The subspace entropies over time. ZPM has an entropy limit. If the subspace entropy reaches the ZPM limit, it cannot get any more zero-point energy. It'll be an empty zpm.

Zero-point energy is a natural consequence of quantum mechanics but he was referring to the module which on the other hand is still not a working real energy emitting device in short still to be proven true. Although scientist have been crafting devices in an attempt to tap into this energy since the first experimental evidence demonstrating its existence came about in 1957 but still there's is still no such device that exist today that we can really call a ZPM which can source out an energy.

But then again, this is not far fetch and maybe someday it will be realized. But for now just leave it there, we can explore the possibilities but we cannot call it or label it as among of the free energy.

[CAPTAIN NAUTILUS]

Well, mahulog raman siya ug overstatement, by free energy I mean, kanang energy nga ma harness nato say from the sun ba kaha nga dili nata mag depende gkan sa oil giants.

[yhokz101]

Well, mahulog raman siya ug overstatement, by free energy I mean, kanang energy nga ma harness nato say from the sun ba kaha nga dili nata mag depende gkan sa oil giants.

That's what we cal now, alternative energy (renewable energy) rather than free energy.

These list are the common sources:
- Nuclear power
- Water power
- Wind power
- Solar power
- Geothermal energy
- Tidal and ocean thermal energy
- Biomass energy

These are the alternative source of energy aside from the fossil fuels which provides more than 85 percent of the total energy used around the world. Currently electricity is currently generated by burning fossil fuels like coal, gas, and oil.

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[igibouy]

Energy of any object is equivalent to its mass, not to matter. Matter is a rather loosely defined term.

They say "matter is condensed energy" and that is simply meaningless, even though this phrase was coined based on quite correct interpretation of Einstein's formula (you stated above). So, matter and energy are really a different entities.

Matter, in fact, is an ambiguous term; there are several different definitions used in both scientific literature and in public discourse. Whereas, energy is not ambiguous (not within physics, anyway). But energy is not itself stuff; it is something that all stuff has.

I should have made it specific here. What I was referring to was the mass in matter. I thought it was already implied being in a science forum and all. You say the meaning was ambiguous, i'm curious, what other definition are you referring to?

I beg to differ(sorry), since the free energy that he was referring to and what you mentioned is still a claim of which cannot be proven for now, and to say that it is really an free energy is a claim and cannot be proven thru sicience. It does not adhere to a valid scientific method or cannot be reliably tested, or otherwise lacks scientific status. Therefore as what mods here previously stated, it falls under pseudoscience.

I would like you to explain this statement in more explicit detail please

Look at it this way, gravity is a source of great energy although that is a new idea for many people. Think about it. Hydro-electric power generation schemes have been in use now for many years. Those generators are driven by water flowing through them and that flow is caused by gravity. Without gravity, water would not flow downhill whether through a generator or not. In a sense I would say, yes gravity is energy.

For hundreds of years, water wheels have done useful work, pumping, grinding, hammering, operating bellows, etc. and it is gravity acting on the water which powers a water wheel.

I asked you that question because I thought you think gravity is a form of energy.
Gravity is not a form of energy, it is a field. Similar to electric field or magnetic field. The hydroelectric power you're referring to comes from potential energy. Gravity only releases the gravitational potential energy stored in elevated water.

Zero-point energy is a natural consequence of quantum mechanics but he was referring to the module

Yeah, I know. I was explaining how a zpm in Stargate works

which on the other hand is still not a working real energy emitting device in short still to be proven true.

Obviously. no need to point that out

Although scientist have been crafting devices in an attempt to tap into this energy since the first experimental evidence demonstrating its existence came about in 1957 but still there's is still no such device that exist today that we can really call a ZPM which can source out an energy.

Can you provide a link to these experiments? I've heard a few people who can say they can use the energy but so far they're just like snake oil merchants.

But then again, this is not far fetch and maybe someday it will be realized. But for now just leave it there, we can explore the possibilities but we cannot call it or label it as among of the free energy.

I did not say said zero point energy is free energy in the first place dude . It was you, which means you just contradicted yourself.

[silentnuker]

Yes they are. look closely. Matter is just a macroscopic illusion. Everything around IS energy. Most of the mass is just nuclear binding energy.
Strong interaction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


But that explanation is a bit oversimplified, there is a bit of difference though
matter isn't in motion. E=mc^2, or to expand it a bit, E^2 = (pc)^2 + (mc^2)^2, indicates energy as a combination of motion energy and mass energy.

So to answer OP's question, Yes. There is free energy. Not in usable form as our current technology allows, but energy nonetheless. This doesn't fall into the realm of pseudoscience as you proclaimed.



Do you think gravity as energy?




Z.P.M. is a device that uses energy from an isolated region of subspace. The subspace entropies over time. ZPM has an entropy limit. If the subspace entropy reaches the ZPM limit, it cannot get any more zero-point energy. It'll be an empty zpm.
Btw, there's a difference between pseudoscience and science fiction: the latter isn't pretending to be non-fiction. You should stop labeling everything with it.



Yeah it does sound like science fiction, but it isn't as far-fetched as you think.
Zero point energy is the reference point given to an atom, molecule, or even the emptiness of space.
If we remove the radiation from an atom, the atom would still have the energy to cause movement. We call this energy "zero point energy".
Let's go on to the vacuum of space, as stated in a post before, there is a zpm field in a vacuum of space even though there is no matter or light energy. The energy from these fields is massive and inherent in any type of radiation spectrum.
I've read about this type of energy here
NASA - Some Emerging Possibilities | NASA
and it theorizes that "a cup's volume of the energy is enough to boil away the earth's water!", that's pretty amazing stuff

Back to Stargate, I would assume for zpm to work, a connection or a "bridge" will be created to the subspace, the connection would require energy to maintain itself so that would probably be a factor for the zpm's entropy limit. I reckon the connection would require energy from the field itself, very efficient if true . Energy from particles and radiation in the subspcace would then be extracted. Once the energy generated is lower than the energy required to maintain the connection, the zpm stops gathering energy.

Anyway, that's how I think a zpm works.

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unfortunately br0, the ZPM in stargate d0es n0t have any bridge whats0ever. its just a c0mpact m0dule hat pr0vides energy seemingly 0ut 0f n0where...i d0n't kn0w if its fr0m other dimension (if there's like a micr0 -p0rtal that links t0 it), if it has s0me s0rt of ultra dense vacuum inside.

im g0nna paste the descripti0n fr0m wiki site:

Zero Point Modules are so named because they use zero point energy. Zero point energy is present in all quantum mechanical systems (i.e. everything that uses energy and converts it to entropy). Zero point energy is the lowest amount of energy that such a quantum mechanical system can have. It is also commonly referred to as vacuum energy and remains when all matter is removed from a region of space. Since by definition zero point energy can never be depleted (a region of space can never have less than that amount), it is theoretically an unlimited and free energy source.

Also, I would say that this is not Pseudoscience. This may be science ficti0n f0r n0w, but this is n0t based on s0mething that is scientifically inc0rrect 0r without basis.

[igibouy]

unfortunately br0, the ZPM in stargate d0es n0t have any bridge whats0ever. its just a c0mpact m0dule hat pr0vides energy seemingly 0ut 0f n0where...i d0n't kn0w if its fr0m other dimension (if there's like a micr0 -p0rtal that links t0 it), if it has s0me s0rt of ultra dense vacuum inside.

Rodney explained about the zpm essentially using a "bridge" to gather energy from another dimension. Energy coming from nowhere doesn't make sense. That micro portal you suggested is also considered the bridge, so you're contradicting yourself a little bit.

im g0nna paste the descripti0n fr0m wiki site:

Zero Point Modules are so named because they use zero point energy. Zero point energy is present in all quantum mechanical systems (i.e. everything that uses energy and converts it to entropy). Zero point energy is the lowest amount of energy that such a quantum mechanical system can have. It is also commonly referred to as vacuum energy and remains when all matter is removed from a region of space. Since by definition zero point energy can never be depleted (a region of space can never have less than that amount), it is theoretically an unlimited and free energy source.

ZPM is inefficient. It cannot gather unlimited energy because of the entropy. The Atlantis Expedition encountered a few "empty" zpms. I would agree that the energy is unlimited, but as an energy source? We know particles still have energy at its lowest state. For energy to be extracted, the particle would have to have a lower state to fall into. Since particles can't have zero energy, taking that energy out is essentially impossible.

[silentnuker]

Rodney explained about the zpm essentially using a "bridge" to gather energy from another dimension. Energy coming from nowhere doesn't make sense. That micro portal you suggested is also considered the bridge, so you're contradicting yourself a little bit.



ZPM is inefficient. It cannot gather unlimited energy because of the entropy. The Atlantis Expedition encountered a few "empty" zpms. I would agree that the energy is unlimited, but as an energy source? We know particles still have energy at its lowest state. For energy to be extracted, the particle would have to have a lower state to fall into. Since particles can't have zero energy, taking that energy out is essentially impossible.

I don't think the ZPM in Stargate can be considered inefficient by today's standards of how we generate energy.

I just rewatched an episode in Stargate Atlantis (S02E06) in order to refresh my memory. Their explanation is that
a ZPM extracts energy from an artificially created region of subspace. How it does, they didn't gave specifics. Only
reason why it can be depleted because it extracts energy from that limited space. One thing to also note is the crystalline
like substance/structure of the thing inside as well as the container made of some unknown element. Probably this is a nod
to the Third Law of Thermodynamics wherein the entropy of a system approaches zero (0) once a perfect crystalline structure
is adapted.

However, in the episode that I re-watched Project Arcturus is featured. This is some kind of Project that would make ZPMs obsolete
according to Dr. Rodney and Dr. Radek. If ZPM extracts energy from an artificially created region of subspace, Project Arcturus' goal
is to extract zero point energy from within our own physical universe itself. The scale is pretty much off the charts and could be as wide
as the scope of the universe itself. That I would say so far was the most ambitious project man could ever plan or propose to in terms of
energy generation. Suffice it to say, the project is a failure because # 1, the energy generated is astronomically large and cannot be easily
contained or controlled and #2 , the existing laws of science are altered within the system such as creating exotic particles (both matter and
anti-matter) that cannot be predicted at all.

In relation to the topic of free energy, I would say these two ZPMs and Project Arcturus are what can be categorized as virtually unlimited and Free Energy. The thing is, they are still stuffs of sci-fi shows.

[yhokz101]

I should have made it specific here. What I was referring to was the mass in matter. I thought it was already implied being in a science forum and all. You say the meaning was ambiguous, i'm curious, what other definition are you referring to?

Let's just stick to what we can agree on "Energy of any object is equivalent to its mass, not to matter." Tacking on the ambiguity of matter doesn't really matter and it's my only point of view that matter could represent many things and not definitive.

I would like you to explain this statement in more explicit detail please

I was referring again to the ZPM (module), as per the free energy source. ZPE (zero point energy, also known as vacuum energy) is in fact a real kind of energy, and there really is quite a lot of it. That is given, but I can't relate or make a valid scientific connection between ZPE and ZMP in a matter of speaking on harnessing energy. It lacks scientific status, a theory (claim) in a sense that connecting these two at this time would be invalid. No one has ever proven to have a realistic device like ZPM that would actually be able to extract any more vacuum energy that will require to run any device in the first place. Until someone comes up with a workable design, ZPE would remain in the realm of rather odd science fiction.
You guys are really fond of Stargate, I give you that but the ZPM device is a wishful thinking for now.

I asked you that question because I thought you think gravity is a form of energy.
Gravity is not a form of energy, it is a field. Similar to electric field or magnetic field. The hydroelectric power you're referring to comes from potential energy. Gravity only releases the gravitational potential energy stored in elevated water.

Yes you are correct, I was referring to gravity as "other" form or motion in place to create energy. Not a direct source in any way.

Yeah, I know. I was explaining how a zpm in Stargate works

You are really taking a lot of thoughts on ZPM in Stargate and how it "actually" works. The ZPM is really an unrealistic little gizmo because it somehow creates energy from… well, nothing, and therefore, the thing belongs in a prop room shelved somewhere (much more like the " Flux Capacitor")

Can you provide a link to these experiments? I've heard a few people who can say they can use the energy but so far they're just like snake oil merchants.

Sir all I came up is this guy here.
Which he has significant study on the matter and have a patent of Quantum Vacuum Energy Extraction, his reference patent here

I did not say said zero point energy is free energy in the first place dude . It was you, which means you just contradicted yourself.

Neither you nor me, I was just pointing out silentnuker's statement and not yours.