Child firing Uzi at Ariz. shooting range accidentally kills instructor,

[crossramz]

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I don't see the relevance of gun law in this incident.. It was all the instructors fault not even from the parents.

[jiro]

same thing happened few years ago (2011)

Father of Christopher Bizilj, who Died Firing an Uzi, Was Urged to Let Son Use Less Powerful Gun - ABC News

On this, the father insisted to allow his son to use the uzi even after the instructor protested that it's too powerful for his kid.

[7DMM]

That's why i'm planning to buy an air rifle and air pistol so my kids can start from there.

[soundstreammsi]

common sense and proper gun handling ang kuwang ani.

[C'thulhu]

I'll join the fray later.so far i counted 1 experienced shooter (i could vouch for him).i'm waiting for other "experts" and real experts to come in

I'm no expert or super sensei here but nevertheless I will share my dos sentimos later until I get home, flight got diverted and internet is spotty here. As I strongly believe in gun-proofing the child instead of child-proofing the gun...

[æRLO]

my input here is that kids who are familiar with what a gun can do, are less likely to do something stupid with it in the event that a gun is inadvertently accessible to them. Respect the gun.

I don't know what the norm is for instructing a 9 year old to shoot in full-auto, but the most obvious mistake here is the instructor (RIP) did not maintain control of the firearm and placed too much trust on the girl to keep the weapon pointed downrange(and I know he's a vet; but even vets are not infallible in gun know-how). He did not respect the gun.

[7DMM]

I'm no expert or super sensei here but nevertheless I will share my dos sentimos later until I get home, flight got diverted and internet is spotty here. As I strongly believe in gun-proofing the child instead of child-proofing the gun...

I know, i'm here to see who the real mccoys are.just nice to see a fellow shooter here on this thread.

[supermarionism]

RIP sa instructor but there were no charges to the girl..!

[C'thulhu]

Ok just got home and still have some juice left to say my piece...

First off, what I say are my views and opinions regarding the matter.

There are those here that blame the US gun laws and their gun culture. Why? What's wrong with lawful citizens having access to guns? I see nothing wrong with that. It is their right which is enshrined in their constitution. Look at us here for example, our prevailing gun culture, and how hard it is to legally acquire a firearm. And yet, the news is full of shootouts, liquidation, murder, robbery, insurgency and whatnot committed by the use of firearms. And yes, we do have a very strict firearms law which borders on the absurd... Our laws made it very difficult to get a gun and yet they are all over the place. Is it the fault of the law?

Kids and guns. I believe that the better way to go about this is to gun-proof the child not child-proof the gun. Kids being kids are usually fascinated by things they usually see in tv shows etc. Their perception of reality is usually based on what they observe, and in this case guns. Our kids here don't live in a war zone maybe some in far flung areas, so their usually encounter with guns is through the movies and tv shows. And it does not teach them or show them the true nature of the tools. Yes for me guns are tools, just like your drill, screwdriver, hammer etc. It is up to the user how they use it, pag sulay ug barina sa gawas unya ga ulan, tanawn nato dli ba ka mu kaging... Unya blame dayon ang barina kay naka cause ug electric shock... Most convenient excuse nato dire is to use the blame game... Now, I usually encounter gun owners with little kids asking how to go about in securing their guns from their kids... That's where I tell them that it is better to gun-proof your kids than to child-proof your guns. If they want, our group let them bring their kids along to the range, youngest I can remember that we allowed to handle a gun was 6. We teach them about their dad's gun be it pistol, revolver, shotgun, rifle, smg etc. We start them off with what they can handle easily, teach them first basic gun safety rules and explain to them the consequences in a manner which they can understand, show them how to basically operate it. And finally with strict supervision allow them to pop off a few rounds to see and feel real gunfire.

Most kids after the second or third round do not want to continue and would lose interest, usually saying hala dili lagi pareha sa movies, saba lagi, sakit sa kamot etc. Now we explain to them again that when they see a firearm they now know what it can do and if handled carelessly can cause serious injury and even death. So they better leave it alone and call an adult, or if they must move it, be careful(mindful of the trigger) in handling(pointing in safe direction) it by not playing around with it. Hopefully they will still remember how to safely unload it if it is loaded if they are familiar with it.

For those kids that are interested to shoot, we also let them. Teach them the basics depending on how deep their interests are, there are junior sport shooters out there too.

Regarding the accident that is trending right now, imho, it was bad judgement for the instructor not to observe safety procedures while letting the girl shoot the Uzi. It is customary to stand at the rear shooting hand side of the shooter while observing/coaching the shooter manipulate the weapon as the recoil impulse will most usually push the weapon to climb up and go the opposite direction of the shooting hand which is where the instructor was...

It is also not the fault of the girl, so I don't see why she should be charged. It will be hard for her though as the trauma of being the cause of a death will be heavy on her and leave her scarred for life...

jm2cw, ymmv...


Oh here are clips of a girl about her age enjoying shooting guns...

[Passport]

such a very tragic accident... many lessons need to be learned from this.

My prayers for the deceased instructor, as well as for the girl.