RELIGION

[dead_soul]

---

tradition? i dont think it can save you.....

who says so? by knowing yourself and by knowing God and follow his path through Jesus Christ... You will be save. It was clearly stipulated in the bible.

Tradition is just part of one big culture in a given country but if we universally follow what is right and what is really in the bible then i guess there would be no problem going to heaven. I still believe in spiritual universe pare and i believe that God is there.

You cant see the wind... but can you feel it?

[potterboy]

it is ur faith in GOD that can save your soul from eternal death... not the tradition being applied in religion.

and perhaps, it is by a man's decision alone wether to stick unto the tradition which he knew was indeed wrong but couldnt stop himself from performing the rituals based on them because he had been used to it.

they chose to stick to the so-called traditions. decisions are free-for-all, and salvation is too, only that, mankind is given the freedom to choose his path.

[richard79]

it is ur faith in GOD that can save your soul from eternal death... not the tradition being applied in religion.

and perhaps, it is by a man's decision alone wether to stick unto the tradition which he knew was indeed wrong but couldnt stop himself from performing the rituals based on them because he had been used to it.

they chose to stick to the so-called traditions. decisions are free-for-all, and salvation is too, only that, mankind is given the freedom to choose his path.

Kasabot ko sa imong gipasabot baiz! pero one thing lang nga akong gusto ipaibot bah.... ngano ang mga taw dri especially dri sa Pinas are sooooooooooooooooo blind with their faith! And the worst thing is they refused to change because they believe that what they believe in are correct!

Kasabot man ko sa freewill bai noh... pero usa lang akong gihangyo ngano ang mga taw gusto raman anang simbahan nga mosulod lang lingkod... kanta... minaw sa usa ka wale nga sometimes or most of the time WALAY UNOD! or maybe ang kapahinongod tingali kay nagwale just for compliance!

If you try to compare baiz sa ilang mensahe kada domingo..... layo ra gyud kaayo! Maka uplift jud sa spirit og maka enlighten gyud sa imong soul pero.... pero sa katong isa... wala gyud.... ang uban manghuy ab pa! naay lain laing sulod sa ilang utok while nagsimba sila.... i bet if tan aw nimo sila and you try to observe... THEY ARE JUST THERE BECAUSE IT'S SUNDAY!!!!

Im not saying again nga sa katong usa wala sad ana but you can feel their hunger for the word of God! You can feel their spirit move by those words given by their messenger or magwawale! Pero sa usa... WALA! Is there something wrong with these people?

I've read Anton La Vey's experiences which prompted him to become the founder of the greatest enemy of christianity. Nga inig domingo buotan kaayo ang mga taw... pero days before sunday... wala gyuy ayo... usahay gani... ang manimba... hubog pa! labi na kanang kaadlawn sa december... susss... para lang makapatong sa simbahan payter na!

hahay.... kaning mga tawhana dapat momata sa ilang lungon!!! WAKE UP!

[potterboy]

@richard79: i was answering dead_soul. and pls watch ur language.

ill come up with my explanations later... kay gidukol nako sa akong ate kay manglakaw mi.

[s.n.m.p.]

it is ur faith in GOD that can save your soul from eternal death... not the tradition being applied in religion.

and perhaps, it is by a man's decision alone wether to stick unto the tradition which he knew was indeed wrong but couldnt stop himself from performing the rituals based on them because he had been used to it.

they chose to stick to the so-called traditions. decisions are free-for-all, and salvation is too, only that, mankind is given the freedom to choose his path.

Kasabot ko sa imong gipasabot baiz! pero one thing lang nga akong gusto ipaibot bah.... ngano ang mga taw dri especially dri sa Pinas are sooooooooooooooooo blind with their faith! And the worst thing is they refused to change because they believe that what they believe in are correct!

Kasabot man ko sa freewill bai noh... pero usa lang akong gihangyo ngano ang mga taw gusto raman anang simbahan nga mosulod lang lingkod... kanta... minaw sa usa ka wale nga sometimes or most of the time WALAY UNOD! or maybe ang kapahinongod tingali kay nagwale just for compliance!

If you try to compare baiz sa ilang mensahe kada domingo..... layo ra gyud kaayo! Maka uplift jud sa spirit og maka enlighten gyud sa imong soul pero.... pero sa katong isa... wala gyud.... ang uban manghuy ab pa! naay lain laing sulod sa ilang utok while nagsimba sila.... i bet if tan aw nimo sila and you try to observe... THEY ARE JUST THERE BECAUSE IT'S SUNDAY!!!!

Im not saying again nga sa katong usa wala sad ana but you can feel their hunger for the word of God! You can feel their spirit move by those words given by their messenger or magwawale! Pero sa usa... WALA! Is there something wrong with these people?

I've read Anton La Vey's experiences which prompted him to become the founder of the greatest enemy of christianity. Nga inig domingo buotan kaayo ang mga taw... pero days before sunday... wala gyuy ayo... usahay gani... ang manimba... hubog pa! labi na kanang kaadlawn sa december... susss... para lang makapatong sa simbahan payter na!

hahay.... kaning mga tawhana dapat momata sa ilang lungon!!! WAKE UP!

Bai richard ako nakuha imo punto.

Naa lang koy iapaambit sa imo gamay.

Ang tubig naa na sa sinugdanan sa kalibutan. Kini maoy mo limpyo sa lawas sa tawo.

Nan kung ang tawo ni decide nga dili siya maligo, sala ba diay na sa tubig?

Religion is the water. Kung nag dinautan ang tawo or kung wala sya mtuman ani, di na na sala sa relihiyon.

[HoundedbyHeaven]

Correct me if I'm wrong but it appears to me now that you are referring to the Catholic Church upon reading your reference to the dawn masses of the Advent season.

If so, what exactly do you mean when you say that Catholics are so blind to the Catholic faith, which they hold to be absolutely correct? Are you merely implying that some of its teachings are wrong? If you have an issue with some of its teachings, could you kindly detail your issues one at a time for the sake of discussion.

It also seems to me that you are frustrated at the presence of sinners in the Catholic Church. If so, what else is new? There will always be sinners in the Catholic Church until the Lord Jesus Christ comes the second, the last time in glory to finally put an end to evil. For as long as the prince of this world is still in this world, there will always be evil and sin to fight and sinners to save. Did not our Lord came for the sinners and not for those who delude themselves to be "righteous" and "blameless"?

Thank you.

[dacs]

Thanks for reminding me dude! I am not saying religion or any denomination but i know that THEY KNOW who they are....

It is far better to be specific than to let others make assumptions. Don't be afraid.

Nakasuway nakog simba sa ubang simbahan and ive observed many things. Now Ive observed sa ubang simbahan nga they are just their just for compliance or because they are just there because they would feel good if ever makasimba na sila... not knowing and not getting the very meat of the ceremony. I dont want to be biased but for me usahay naglibog ko kung unsa kaha ni ang gihunahuna sa mga sa sulod sa kaning dako nga simbahan. I tried looking at their faces and their eyes were so blank that i couldnt see their souls enlightened nor cannot feel their spirit satisfied with words from God.

There may be people who were there just 'for compliance'. Yet, you have no way of truly knowing who, among these people, are there 'for compliance' - and I rather not make any judgment as a true Christian should. But I got to hand it to you that you could see souls (quote : their eyes were so blank that i couldnt see their souls enlightened). I thought God is the only one who could see them and what is in their hearts.

Pun an pa gyud nga kadaghanan sa ilang magwawale kay gidali dali lang og wale para masakar sa 15mins. nila nga allocation for the whole ceremony. Now sa ubang simbahan im not saying that they are perfect but ngano nga kaning mga simbahana nga kinahanglan unta sa mga taw sa kinabag an... sama sa maayong mag preach sa word of God og maayong pag care sa ilang mga church members wala man kaayo gilingi sa mga taw sa kadaghanan! KAY TUNGOD TRADITION? KAY TUNGOD MAO NAY NAANDAN? And they consider other denominations as a threat??

Diin man na ang 15 minutes nga allocation? Sa mga Katoliko nga simbahan, wala man na nga ordinansa.

Dili tungod sa tradisyon maong naa ni sila. Naa ni sila kay ang katinuoran naa man dinhi. Ang tanang katinuoran sa Kristohanong pagtuo naa sa simbahang Katoliko. Ang ubang mga denominasyon anaay kasaypanan - sama pananglit sa pagtuo nga ang Bibliya maoy sole rule of faith. Bakak kini kay wala kani ipamatuod sa Bibliya mismo ug sa history sa simbahang Kristiyano.

Ang Bibliya mismo nag-ingon nga sa Antioch unang gitawag nga 'Christians' ang mga disciples ni Kristo (Acts 11:26). Kung mao kana, aduna nay mga Kristiyano sa wala pa masuwat nga tibuok Bibliya. Makita usab nato nga si San Pablo niadto sa Jerusalem aron pagtambong sa panagpandok sa mga kadagkuan sa simbahan. Didto nakab-ot nila ang mga desisyon diin si San Pablo midala niini ngadto sa nagkalainlaing simbahan nga anaa sa iyang pag-amuma.

Usahay malooy ko sa uban nga moanha lang para simba unya MOGAWAS sa SIMBAHAN nga walay nakuha! SAYANG sayang lang sila sa ilang oras og plete nga moanha lang dra just to comply that it's sunday pero sa tinoud sa sulod nila UGAH!

Tinuod nga makaluluoy sila. Gani dinhi sa simbahan sa Talamban, aduna siguroy kapin sa 50,000 ka mga parokyano apan aduna lamang 3 ka pari. Kung mao kana, adunay at least 16,000 ka parokyano sa kada usa ka pari. Luoy sad ning mga paria no! Hoy, mga lumolupyo sa Talamban! Tabangi na ang mga pari sa mga buhaton sama sa evangelization ug apologetics.

I'm not positioning myself to any religious denomination pero sa akoa ba... ngano ingon ani man ka hilaw og kalibog sa mga utok sa mga taw or sa kinabag an?

I, for one, is working on educating my fellow Catholics. I have spent eight years reading books from history, controversies, doctrines, dogma, ecclesiastical rules, doctors and fathers of the Church, theology, spirituality, the Bible and the Catechism of the Catholic Church. I believe it is now time to give back to my fellow Catholics what I have learned.

There's a saying goes that "GOING TO CHURCH DOESNT MAKE YOU A CHRISTIAN, JUST LIKE STANDING IN A GARAGE DOESNT MAKE YOU A CAR"

Does a car have an obligation to go the garage? No. You could park it somewhere else and it still is a car. A Christian, on the other hand, has an obligation to go to church. Not doing so is an act against that obligation and it is an act against God. The word religion came from the Latin word religare - to bind back. The acts of religion are acts of binding back to God. Religion, therefore, is the act of justice by which we render to God, both privately as individuals and publicly as social beings, the honor, gratitude, and obedience due to Him, and in the way prescribed by Him.

I'm not saying sad sa katong mga minority nga church nga they are perfect again ako ning gibalik pero at least... based on my observation nga ang ilang effort ba to reach and to know God kay very apparent! HOW COME?

In my personal opinion about Catholics, this is probably because they have not taken to heart what they are called to do when they were confirmed (i.e., have gone through the sacrament of confirmation). Confirmed Catholic are soldiers of Christ, and are meant to be found in the battlefield - able and ready to do battle. My own personal effort is towards that end - to make them able and ready to do battle. I hope I can make a difference during my lifetime with the help and guidance of the Holy Spirit.

[randy111979]

"Whatever works for you then its OK as long as it conforms with the law of the people and of the land." If your presence alone inside the church on a Sunday is ok with you even without learning anything then its ok for me.

richard79: are you confident that what you have observed is not present in your religion? do you think everybody in your church understand your priests or preacher? do you claim that all the members of your church are good through out the week?

Correct me if i am wrong but you sound like you are a member of a perfect religion. please take note of "you sound like". Or i am just misinterpreting you on how you present your ideas?

Hope you can clarify matters.

[richard79]

Correct me if I'm wrong but it appears to me now that you are referring to the Catholic Church upon reading your reference to the dawn masses of the Advent season.

If so, what exactly do you mean when you say that Catholics are so blind to the Catholic faith, which they hold to be absolutely correct? Are you merely implying that some of its teachings are wrong? If you have an issue with some of its teachings, could you kindly detail your issues one at a time for the sake of discussion.

It also seems to me that you are frustrated at the presence of sinners in the Catholic Church. If so, what else is new? There will always be sinners in the Catholic Church until the Lord Jesus Christ comes the second, the last time in glory to finally put an end to evil. For as long as the prince of this world is still in this world, there will always be evil and sin to fight and sinners to save. Did not our Lord came for the sinners and not for those who delude themselves to be "righteous" and "blameless"?

Thank you.

you are the ones who said it pare... it doesnt mean na ang catholic lang kay naay dawn mass... ang mga protestant pud... hope you check first before saying anything ok?

[richard79]

Thanks for reminding me dude! I am not saying religion or any denomination but i know that THEY KNOW who they are....

It is far better to be specific than to let others make assumptions.Â* Don't be afraid.

Nakasuway nakog simba sa ubang simbahan and ive observed many things.Â* Now Ive observed sa ubang simbahan nga they are just their just for compliance or because they are just there because they would feel good if ever makasimba na sila... not knowing and not getting the very meat of the ceremony.Â* I dont want to be biased but for me usahay naglibog ko kung unsa kaha ni ang gihunahuna sa mga sa sulod sa kaning dako nga simbahan. I tried looking at their faces and their eyes were so blank that i couldnt see their souls enlightened nor cannot feel their spirit satisfied with words from God.

There may be people who were there just 'for compliance'.Â* Yet, you have no way of truly knowing who, among these people, are there 'for compliance' - and I rather not make any judgment as a true Christian should.Â* But I got to hand it to you that you could see souls (quote : their eyes were so blank that i couldnt see their souls enlightened).Â* I thought God is the only one who could see them and what is in their hearts.

Pun an pa gyud nga kadaghanan sa ilang magwawale kay gidali dali lang og wale para masakar sa 15mins. nila nga allocation for the whole ceremony. Now sa ubang simbahan im not saying that they are perfect but ngano nga kaning mga simbahana nga kinahanglan unta sa mga taw sa kinabag an... sama sa maayong mag preach sa word of God og maayong pag care sa ilang mga church members wala man kaayo gilingi sa mga taw sa kadaghanan! KAY TUNGOD TRADITION? KAY TUNGOD MAO NAY NAANDAN? And they consider other denominations as a threat??

Diin man na ang 15 minutes nga allocation?Â* Sa mga Katoliko nga simbahan, wala man na nga ordinansa.Â*

Dili tungod sa tradisyon maong naa ni sila.Â* Naa ni sila kay ang katinuoran naa man dinhi.Â* Ang tanang katinuoran sa Kristohanong pagtuo naa sa simbahang Katoliko.Â* Ang ubang mga denominasyon anaay kasaypanan - sama pananglit sa pagtuo nga ang Bibliya maoy sole rule of faith.Â* Bakak kini kay wala kani ipamatuod sa Bibliya mismo ug sa history sa simbahang Kristiyano.

Ang Bibliya mismo nag-ingon nga sa Antioch unang gitawag nga 'Christians' ang mga disciples ni Kristo (Acts 11:26).Â* Kung mao kana, aduna nay mga Kristiyano sa wala pa masuwat nga tibuok Bibliya.Â* Makita usab nato nga si San Pablo niadto sa Jerusalem aron pagtambong sa panagpandok sa mga kadagkuan sa simbahan.Â* Didto nakab-ot nila ang mga desisyon diin si San Pablo midala niini ngadto sa nagkalainlaing simbahan nga anaa sa iyang pag-amuma.

Usahay malooy ko sa uban nga moanha lang para simba unya MOGAWAS sa SIMBAHAN nga walay nakuha! SAYANG sayang lang sila sa ilang oras og plete nga moanha lang dra just to comply that it's sunday pero sa tinoud sa sulod nila UGAH!

Tinuod nga makaluluoy sila.Â* Gani dinhi sa simbahan sa Talamban, aduna siguroy kapin sa 50,000 ka mga parokyano apan aduna lamang 3 ka pari.Â* Kung mao kana, adunay at least 16,000 ka parokyano sa kada usa ka pari.Â* Luoy sad ning mga paria no!Â* Hoy, mga lumolupyo sa Talamban!Â* Tabangi na ang mga pari sa mga buhaton sama sa evangelization ug apologetics.

I'm not positioning myself to any religious denomination pero sa akoa ba... ngano ingon ani man ka hilaw og kalibog sa mga utok sa mga taw or sa kinabag an?

I, for one, is working on educating my fellow Catholics.Â* I have spent eight years reading books from history, controversies, doctrines, dogma, ecclesiastical rules, doctors and fathers of the Church, theology, spirituality, the Bible and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.Â* I believe it is now time to give back to my fellow Catholics what I have learned.

There's a saying goes that "GOING TO CHURCH DOESNT MAKE YOU A CHRISTIAN, JUST LIKE STANDING IN A GARAGE DOESNT MAKE YOU A CAR"

Does a car have an obligation to go the garage?Â* No.Â* You could park it somewhere else and it still is a car.Â* A Christian, on the other hand, has an obligation to go to church.Â* Not doing so is an act against that obligation and it is an act against God.Â* The word religion came from the Latin word religare - to bind back.Â* The acts of religion are acts of binding back to God.Â* Religion, therefore, is the act of justice by which we render to God, both privately as individuals and publicly as social beings, the honor, gratitude, and obedience due to Him, and in the way prescribed by Him.

I'm not saying sad sa katong mga minority nga church nga they are perfect again ako ning gibalik pero at least... based on my observation nga ang ilang effort ba to reach and to know God kay very apparent! HOW COME?

In my personal opinion about Catholics, this is probably because they have not taken to heart what they are called to do when they were confirmed (i.e., have gone through the sacrament of confirmation).Â* Confirmed Catholic are soldiers of Christ, and are meant to be found in the battlefield - able and ready to do battle.Â* My own personal effort is towards that end - to make them able and ready to do battle.Â* I hope I can make a difference during my lifetime with the help and guidance of the Holy Spirit.

First of all, as much as possible i dont want to name any christian denominations existing because the fact is both catholic and non catholic denominations are not perfect but what im trying to say again and again nga one of these denominations are just doing most of the time complying on their weekend rituals without focusing mainly on the people if they have fully delivered the word of God or not.

And i would like to reiterate again and again that i am not positioning myself to any religious sect bai kay im kahibaw ko nga both have their own problems and mistakes.

Now speaking of time sa ilang pagdeliver sa Word of God... if you try to check personally.... ambot kung kasabot mo sa akong gipasabot.... NAA JUY kalahian!!! Ang ako lang kay it seems people are just taking the way it is because mao naman nay naandan nila! NABUTA lang sila sa kamatooran nga ang ilang gisimbahan dili makahatag nila og spiritual fulfillment mostly!

Now please... you dont have to make this things complicated sa akong gipasabot pero i hope dili sad ta buta ba!

Now sa katong gaingon nga murag perfect akong simbahan.... ako nanang ginaexplain sa una nakong mga post nga walay simbahan nga perfect.... but you cant help compare which church is best for your soul most of the time!!!

Cge let's talk about the priest or the pastors... we should admit the fact that they are all humans they commit mistakes because humans commits mistake no matter how religious or prayerful they are.... but if you look closely.... which has the worst counts and situations nga masayop sila....

NOW please dont get me wrong if ever mo accuse mo that im an anti catholic (not being defensive) coz im not... you have no idea who i am.... the thing is im just questioning these things which church and the messenger of God could satisfy and enlighten your soul.... there's no church who can save ya or whatever but better check first kung asa ka nag simba.... basig sayop diay ka!!!