crap lists of greatest guitarists by rolling stone mag

[depechebox]

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I have read that mag severaly years ago

imagine jimi hendrix on top while van halen no. 70.
while kirk hammet and kurt cobain in the top 20's and they also include the axeman of creed, he can play but he's not that good.

van halen is 10 times better than hendrix. the right selection was jimi page(no. 3) and jeff beck I forgot but he's in the top 10. I dont really disagree with beck and page coz they deserve the spot. They even include jery garcia of the grateful dead another hippie. I think they should add britney spears to complete the lists.

I just thought the rest of the list was a total crap.

Van Halen is 10 times better than Hendrix? Really?

Hendrix is THE MOST INFLUENTIAL GUITARIST of the 20th Century. He got that distinction not by how many notes per second he could play. He got that distinction because he changed how the guitar and music ingeneral was perceived and used.

To this day, I hear Hendrix's influence in artists as diverse as Sting and U2, to Prince and Nigel Kennedy. And I'm not talking about GUITAR SOLOS, which I suppose is YOUR gauge for how good a guitarist is. I'm talking about the whole thing - arrangements, tone, effects, recording techniques, etc.

Don't consider this list of guitarists like the way you consider the TOP 10 of Tennis. This is not an athletic competition.

Think of this in the same way that people consider Marlon Brando the greatest actor of the 20th century - his work changed the artform itself.

its not about how innovative a guitar player to be great, its all about the complexity of your composition, hey kurt cobain changes the style of guitar playing, but he also admitted that he's not a good musician. and so does edge of u2 that they say they are more than friends than musicians.
being great is not about how popular you really are.

yeah jimi hendrix is influencial, but just like in basketball julius erving started those high flying moves then came michael jordan who surpasses his skills, same here with edward van halen, he's the michael jordan when comes to guitar, coz he surpasses jimi in everyway that even jimi page once admit that he went to see van halen in concert just to copy some of his style, imagine that even steve vai also said the same thing. I've seen a lot of guitar virtousos, from paul guilbert, petrucci, vai, satriani, malmsteen, dimebag and many more and most of their style is pretty similar to van halen. for short jimi started it all but edward enhances it by taking it to another level. that even if you ask edgar anciano a very respected axemen here in cebu that its very hard to play eddie's style. he's a master in legato, vibrato, picking, harmonics, whammy bar, and of course the guitar tapping which is the most copied style in the 80's. see him in play live in "right here right now" concert the track is 316. if you're not blown away with that then try listening his eruption, you'll see how good he really is. I have a friend who's really good in guitar I think he's better than kirk hammet, yes he's really good and he says that of all the guitar god's he find it difficult to play eddie van halen, dimebag darrel and richie sambora's licks.

take note: jimmy page was a master in the studio that he can play his guitar in different tuning, and i think was more influencial and artistic than jimi hendrix but he praises edward. whom shall I believe you or jimmy page. I'd rather believe to one of the greatest guitar hero of all time

[EZRA]

I wouldn't say Eddie Van Halen is the Michael Jordan of guitars... but people are entitled to their own opinions. If you think Eddie Van Halen is number 1.. then cool... I pick JOHNNY MARR.. but then, that's just me. Nobody would agree with me anyways .

[adminroot]

I hate the idea of ranking guitar players according to greatness or technical skill, speed, virtuosity, innovativeness, etc...but Eddie Van Halen on no. 70 spot is simply preposterous!

But this post really knocked me off... I thought I was the only Bossa Nova freak in this forum...

sa ako pud...just cant resists Bossa nova....tsampyon jud kung gitarahay lang.....Antonio Carlos Jobim and João Gilberto!

Yes, these two guys are the ones I would like to emulate aside from my futile attempts at Pat Metheny licks. I'm also dipping my fingers into the chord voicings of not so familiar Brazilian dudes Joao Bosco and Djavan! Cheers!

I do emulate these fellaz.....with my airguitar! hahahaha. sos kung kahibaw pa lang ko mogitara....kini ako tirada man jud bah. when I was a kid....naay motudlo unta nako ug gitara but....im left-handed...mismo ang nagtudlo nako naglisod pud hihihi.

Oh well....one thing that enjoys me most.....listening and hearing this type of genre.

nós vivemos pela música... que nós morremos pela música

-AR

[adminroot]

I wouldn't say Eddie Van Halen is the Michael Jordan of guitars... but people are entitled to their own opinions. If you think Eddie Van Halen is number 1.. then cool... I pick JOHNNY MARR.. but then, that's just me. Nobody would agree with me anyways .

Ive read one article sa Rolling Stone magazine....that Marx Lenin aka Kabog of Fl is a protégé of Johnny Marr.

[Vince Russo]

I have to add one more comment and then I'll shut up. One of the ONLY cool things about being the oldest guitarist in this forum (I'm 52), is that I was playing guitar in the 1960's. Most of you guys weren't even born until the 80's I bet. You've ALWAYS had the modern technique guitarists to listen to. Super high gain amps, incredible effects processing, Floyd Rose trems, skinny neck guitars (w/ jumbo frets and .009 gauge strings) and music videos on MTV. It's impossible for me to say anything more than how exciting it was for me to see Jimi Hendrix in concert and be so blown away by what he was doing with a guitar. Hypnotic vibrato, screaming Marshall stacks and a horribly out of tune Stratocaster. It didn't matter, because it was NEW and DANGEROUS guitar playing. Listen to "Foxey Lady"...Greatest technique? Nope. Really cool? Yep. ANYBODY else sound like that at that time? Nope. Was he from the planet Earth? Maybe not...

[Carlo Borromeo]

I have read that mag severaly years ago

imagine jimi hendrix on top while van halen no. 70.
while kirk hammet and kurt cobain in the top 20's and they also include the axeman of creed, he can play but he's not that good.

van halen is 10 times better than hendrix. the right selection was jimi page(no. 3) and jeff beck I forgot but he's in the top 10. I dont really disagree with beck and page coz they deserve the spot. They even include jery garcia of the grateful dead another hippie. I think they should add britney spears to complete the lists.

I just thought the rest of the list was a total crap.

Van Halen is 10 times better than Hendrix? Really?

Hendrix is THE MOST INFLUENTIAL GUITARIST of the 20th Century. He got that distinction not by how many notes per second he could play. He got that distinction because he changed how the guitar and music ingeneral was perceived and used.

To this day, I hear Hendrix's influence in artists as diverse as Sting and U2, to Prince and Nigel Kennedy. And I'm not talking about GUITAR SOLOS, which I suppose is YOUR gauge for how good a guitarist is. I'm talking about the whole thing - arrangements, tone, effects, recording techniques, etc.

Don't consider this list of guitarists like the way you consider the TOP 10 of Tennis. This is not an athletic competition.

Think of this in the same way that people consider Marlon Brando the greatest actor of the 20th century - his work changed the artform itself.

its not about how innovative a guitar player to be great, its all about the complexity of your composition, hey kurt cobain changes the style of guitar playing, but he also admitted that he's not a good musician. and so does edge of u2 that they say they are more than friends than musicians.
being great is not about how popular you really are.

yeah jimi hendrix is influencial, but just like in basketball julius erving started those high flying moves then came michael jordan who surpasses his skills, same here with edward van halen, he's the michael jordan when comes to guitar, coz he surpasses jimi in everyway that even jimi page once admit that he went to see van halen in concert just to copy some of his style, imagine that even steve vai also said the same thing. I've seen a lot of guitar virtousos, from paul guilbert, petrucci, vai, satriani, malmsteen, dimebag and many more and most of their style is pretty similar to van halen. for short jimi started it all but edward enhances it by taking it to another level. that even if you ask edgar anciano a very respected axemen here in cebu that its very hard to play eddie's style. he's a master in legato, vibrato, picking, harmonics, whammy bar, and of course the guitar tapping which is the most copied style in the 80's. see him in play live in "right here right now" concert the track is 316. if you're not blown away with that then try listening his eruption, you'll see how good he really is. I have a friend who's really good in guitar I think he's better than kirk hammet, yes he's really good and he says that of all the guitar god's he find it difficult to play eddie van halen, dimebag darrel and richie sambora's licks.

take note: jimmy page was a master in the studio that he can play his guitar in different tuning, and i think was more influencial and artistic than jimi hendrix but he praises edward. whom shall I believe you or jimmy page. I'd rather believe to one of the greatest guitar hero of all time

DON'T LECTURE ME ON HOW TECHNICALLY GIFTED VAN HALEN IS.

I KNOW

I am referring to the list that Rolling Stone made. The list that Rolling Stone made is NOT ABOUT TECHNICAL SKILL. Rolling Stone reviews music all the time and NEVER is it about technical skill.

The list is based on how much they affected others PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

VAN HALEN influenced GUITAR PLAYING.

HENDRIX INFLUENCED MUSIC PERIOD.


And again, IF ALL YOU'RE BASING YOUR BRILLIANT ANALYSIS ON IS TECHNICAL SKILL, THEN THE LIST WOULD ONLY HAVE JAZZ AND FLAMENCO MUSICIANS.

[Vince Russo]

If I had to vote for which guitarist "looks like he's having the most fun on stage".. I guess it would be Eddie Van Halen. Or in the category, "first guy to play a guitar slung so low that his right arm was fully extended".. It would be Jimmy Page. In the "fewest licks, but they sounded so good that Stevie Ray used them and got his foot in the door" category...Albert King.

Ahhh. So many great players. So many contributions to music and its evolution.

Rolling Stone should have just listed the guys in alphabetical order...

[antoy hilom]

I have to add one more comment and then I'll shut up. One of the ONLY cool things about being the oldest guitarist in this forum (I'm 52), is that I was playing guitar in the 1960's. Most of you guys weren't even born until the 80's I bet. You've ALWAYS had the modern technique guitarists to listen to. Super high gain amps, incredible effects processing, Floyd Rose trems, skinny neck guitars (w/ jumbo frets and .009 gauge strings) and music videos on MTV. It's impossible for me to say anything more than how exciting it was for me to see Jimi Hendrix in concert and be so blown away by what he was doing with a guitar. Hypnotic vibrato, screaming Marshall stacks and a horribly out of tune Stratocaster. It didn't matter, because it was NEW and DANGEROUS guitar playing. Listen to "Foxey Lady"...Greatest technique? Nope. Really cool? Yep. ANYBODY else sound like that at that time? Nope. Was he from the planet Earth? Maybe not...

Vince, we're the same age... I can't imagine what it was like watching the Jimi Hendrix live, you're one lucky dude! Back in 1970 long before MTVs, I had to watch the Woodstock documentary hundreds of times at the old UltraVistarama and I never seem to get enough of Jimi Hendrix and Carlos Santana - my first guitar heroes of the psychedelic era.

[depechebox]

I have read that mag severaly years ago

imagine jimi hendrix on top while van halen no. 70.
while kirk hammet and kurt cobain in the top 20's and they also include the axeman of creed, he can play but he's not that good.

van halen is 10 times better than hendrix. the right selection was jimi page(no. 3) and jeff beck I forgot but he's in the top 10. I dont really disagree with beck and page coz they deserve the spot. They even include jery garcia of the grateful dead another hippie. I think they should add britney spears to complete the lists.

I just thought the rest of the list was a total crap.

Van Halen is 10 times better than Hendrix? Really?

Hendrix is THE MOST INFLUENTIAL GUITARIST of the 20th Century. He got that distinction not by how many notes per second he could play. He got that distinction because he changed how the guitar and music ingeneral was perceived and used.

To this day, I hear Hendrix's influence in artists as diverse as Sting and U2, to Prince and Nigel Kennedy. And I'm not talking about GUITAR SOLOS, which I suppose is YOUR gauge for how good a guitarist is. I'm talking about the whole thing - arrangements, tone, effects, recording techniques, etc.

Don't consider this list of guitarists like the way you consider the TOP 10 of Tennis. This is not an athletic competition.

Think of this in the same way that people consider Marlon Brando the greatest actor of the 20th century - his work changed the artform itself.

its not about how innovative a guitar player to be great, its all about the complexity of your composition, hey kurt cobain changes the style of guitar playing, but he also admitted that he's not a good musician. and so does edge of u2 that they say they are more than friends than musicians.
being great is not about how popular you really are.

yeah jimi hendrix is influencial, but just like in basketball julius erving started those high flying moves then came michael jordan who surpasses his skills, same here with edward van halen, he's the michael jordan when comes to guitar, coz he surpasses jimi in everyway that even jimi page once admit that he went to see van halen in concert just to copy some of his style, imagine that even steve vai also said the same thing. I've seen a lot of guitar virtousos, from paul guilbert, petrucci, vai, satriani, malmsteen, dimebag and many more and most of their style is pretty similar to van halen. for short jimi started it all but edward enhances it by taking it to another level. that even if you ask edgar anciano a very respected axemen here in cebu that its very hard to play eddie's style. he's a master in legato, vibrato, picking, harmonics, whammy bar, and of course the guitar tapping which is the most copied style in the 80's. see him in play live in "right here right now" concert the track is 316. if you're not blown away with that then try listening his eruption, you'll see how good he really is. I have a friend who's really good in guitar I think he's better than kirk hammet, yes he's really good and he says that of all the guitar god's he find it difficult to play eddie van halen, dimebag darrel and richie sambora's licks.

take note: jimmy page was a master in the studio that he can play his guitar in different tuning, and i think was more influencial and artistic than jimi hendrix but he praises edward. whom shall I believe you or jimmy page. I'd rather believe to one of the greatest guitar hero of all time

DON'T LECTURE ME ON HOW TECHNICALLY GIFTED VAN HALEN IS.

I KNOW

I am referring to the list that Rolling Stone made. The list that Rolling Stone made is NOT ABOUT TECHNICAL SKILL. Rolling Stone reviews music all the time and NEVER is it about technical skill.

The list is based on how much they affected others PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

VAN HALEN influenced GUITAR PLAYING.

HENDRIX INFLUENCED MUSIC PERIOD.


And again, IF ALL YOU'RE BASING YOUR BRILLIANT ANALYSIS ON IS TECHNICAL SKILL, THEN THE LIST WOULD ONLY HAVE JAZZ AND FLAMENCO MUSICIANS.

you said van halen influenced guitar.
thats why the list is about greatest guitarists not who influenced music.

[depechebox]

I agree with you vince, van halen makes his guitar playing look easy even if it aint, and jimi page his les paul hanging down on his knees.

here's the crap list maybe you're wondering what i'm talking about. can you believe that kurt cobain is better than angus young or tony iommi. even steve morse wasn't even in the list while he was voted by the guitar player magazine as the best guitarists for five straight years. guitar player mag is not just about rock music it features all kinds of music genre. I bet kirk hammet would be celebrating now that he's better than randy rhodes,vai, satriani, mick mars.
even joe satriani the teacher of kirk hammet is missing

1Jimi Hendrix
2 Duane Allman of the Allman Brothers Band
3 B.B. King
4 Eric Clapton
5 Robert Johnson
6 Chuck Berry
7 Stevie Ray Vaughan
8 Ry Cooder
9 Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin
10 Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones
11Kirk Hammett of Metallica
12 Kurt Cobain of Nirvana
13 Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead
14 Jeff Beck
15 Carlos Santana
16 Johnny Ramone of the Ramones
17 Jack White of the White Stripes
18 John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers
19 Richard Thompson
20 James Burton
21 George Harrison
22 Mike Bloomfield
23 Warren Haynes
24 The Edge of U2
25 Freddy King
26 Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave
27 Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits
28 Stephen Stills
29 Ron Asheton of the Stooges
30 Buddy Guy
31 Dick Dale
32 John Cipollina of Quicksilver Messenger Service
33 & 34 Lee Ranaldo, Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth
35 John Fahey
36 Steve Cropper of Booker T. and the MG's
37 Bo Diddley
38 Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac
39 Brian May of Queen
40 John Fogerty of Creedence Clearwater Revival
41 Clarence White of the Byrds
42 Robert Fripp of King Crimson
43 Eddie Hazel of Funkadelic
44 Scotty Moore
45 Frank Zappa
46 Les Paul
47 T-Bone Walker
48 Joe Perry of Aerosmith
49 John McLaughlin
50 Pete Townshend
51 Paul Kossoff of Free
52 Lou Reed
53 Mickey Baker
54 Jorma Kaukonen of Jefferson Airplane
55 Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple
56 Tom Verlaine of Television
57 Roy Buchanan
58 Dickey Betts
59 & 60 Jonny Greenwood, Ed O'Brien of Radiohead
61 Ike Turner
62 Zoot Horn Rollo of the Magic Band
63 Danny Gatton
64 Mick Ronson
65 Hubert Sumlin
66 Vernon Reid of Living Colour
67 Link Wray
68 Jerry Miller of Moby Grape
69 Steve Howe of Yes
70 Eddie Van Halen
71 Lightnin' Hopkins
72 Joni Mitchell
73 Trey Anastasio of Phish
74 Johnny Winter
75 Adam Jones of Tool
76 Ali Farka Toure
77 Henry Vestine of Canned Heat
78 Robbie Robertson of the Band
79 Cliff Gallup of the Blue Caps (1997)
80 Robert Quine of the Voidoids
81 Derek Trucks
82 David Gilmour of Pink Floyd
83 Neil Young
84 Eddie Cochran
85 Randy Rhoads
86 Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath
87 Joan Jett
88 Dave Davies of the Kinks
89 D. Boon of the Minutemen
90 Glen Buxton of Alice Cooper
91 Robby Krieger of the Doors
92 & 93 Fred "Sonic" Smith, Wayne Kramer of the MC5
94 Bert Jansch
95 Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine
96 Angus Young of AC/DC
97 Robert Randolph
98 Leigh Stephens of Blue Cheer
99 Greg Ginn of Black Flag
100 Kim Thayil of Soundgarden (Posted Aug 27, 2003)