if kobe naa sa panahon ni jordan... can he be successful?

[XyRuz]

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nka ingon ka na sayun ra pag shot ni kobe karon ky wla na mn hand shake..

sauna physical kaayu duwa nla jordan..


NGANO GE TAAS PA MN NI NA THREAD OIE... NA OBVIOUS NA MN TAWN KAAU NI..

PLS CLOSE DS THREAD.. ahahahhahaha

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ang pagkamaayo sa player dili mana nimo ma measure sa iyang dribbling skills.........


ex. lang daan sa PBA Alan Caidic.. di kaayo kamao mo dribble pero na MVP...

ako pasabot brad ba nga mas daghan og moves ang usa ka player mas maayo siya kung icompare sa uban maayo pud. Overall package sa skills ba dribbling, shooting, passing, driving and finishing. Kung mas daghan og offensive skills ang player mas maayo siya labi na nga hinigo pa jud siya.

Pareha ni Kobe og jordan nga naa nila tanan plus naa pa jud silay handles so pwede sila makayano-yano nila og lusot ang bola or mucreate sa ila shot or mu-jump shot off-the dribble or mu-pull up lang og kalit sa midrange. Unya naa pa jud silay physical talent nga paspas og taas layat.

Kato sila wilkins og si drexler di man to sila ka yano og bu-ak sa depensa kay di man ayo sila maayo mudag bola. Wa man gani toy midrange game si drexler pud kanang gitawag nato og off the dribble pull-up jumper or fade-away. Kuan raman to iya 3 point shot or iya na ideretso og lusot ang bola wala syay in between game sa ako namatikdan niya. Dont get me wrong maayo gihapon to sila drexler og wilkins nga scorer dili lang jud ka pareha ilang skills ni kobe og jordan.

Sama ra sab na sa imo gi-ingon nga maayo si caidic mu-agree ta diha but kung imo sab sya icompare ni Meneses or Duremdes aw maka-ingon jud ka mas completo og offensive skills si Aerial voyager og si Captain Marbel di ba?

[depechebox]

ako pasabot brad ba nga mas daghan og moves ang usa ka player mas maayo siya kung icompare sa uban maayo pud. Overall package sa skills ba dribbling, shooting, passing, driving and finishing. Kung mas daghan og offensive skills ang player mas maayo siya labi na nga hinigo pa jud siya.

Pareha ni Kobe og jordan nga naa nila tanan plus naa pa jud silay handles so pwede sila makayano-yano nila og lusot ang bola or mucreate sa ila shot or mu-jump shot off-the dribble or mu-pull up lang og kalit sa midrange. Unya naa pa jud silay physical talent nga paspas og taas layat.

Kato sila wilkins og si drexler di man to sila ka yano og bu-ak sa depensa kay di man ayo sila maayo mudag bola. Wa man gani toy midrange game si drexler pud kanang gitawag nato og off the dribble pull-up jumper or fade-away. Kuan raman to iya 3 point shot or iya na ideretso og lusot ang bola wala syay in between game sa ako namatikdan niya. Dont get me wrong maayo gihapon to sila drexler og wilkins nga scorer dili lang jud ka pareha ilang skills ni kobe og jordan.

Sama ra sab na sa imo gi-ingon nga maayo si caidic mu-agree ta diha but kung imo sab sya icompare ni Meneses or Duremdes aw maka-ingon jud ka mas completo og offensive skills si Aerial voyager og si Captain Marbel di ba?

and do you think Vergel Meneses and Duremdes better than Caidic?

I dont think so.......... lethal kaayo si Caidic bro.. gi ilogan sa mga teams.. the guy who once scored 79 pts. in 3 quarters is something.


and I think you are under estimating D. Wilkins.. the guy is ave. 25 ppg in his career...... remember physical kaayo to sauna sa panahon nila MJ.. think about it?

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and do you think Vergel Meneses and Duremdes better than Caidic?

I dont think so.......... lethal kaayo si Caidic bro.. gi ilogan sa mga teams.. the guy who once scored 79 pts. in 3 quarters is something.


and I think you are under estimating D. Wilkins.. the guy is ave. 25 ppg in his career...... remember physical kaayo to sauna sa panahon nila MJ.. think about it?

Para nako mas maayo pa si vergel og si duremdes bro. Kita man jud ko ato caidic sa iya prime so maka-compare ko. Pero sa gihapon maayo na si Caidic jud hingigo kaayo ipanglabay ra ang bola pero if akoy papilion nila ni vergel adto ko sa naulahi.

Di nko choice si caidic kay hinay siya dili jud sya athletic unya wa syay ability to drive the ball to the hoop pero tungod sa iyang pagkahingigo bisan asa sa floor wa kaayo to sya manginanglan og athleticism. Mo value man gud kog athleticism coupled with ability to get to the rim anytime with excellent handles and finish unya naay jumpshot kaysa kanang limitado ra sa usa ka aspeto sa offensive skills,i.e, jump shooter ra or slasher ra. Mas tagaan nako dako value if mas completo ang skills sa usa ka player. Mao na vergel, duremdes, or Johnny A. ako pilion over ni caidic.

Si wilkins pud maayo pud siya wa jud nay question, I think deserving to sya top 50 players of all-time but wa ma-apil, pero sa akong kaugalingong tan-aw mas maayo pa si kobe nya. Kato ako previous post ako to gi-explain why I think kobe is better than wilkins and drexler.

[MalditohoN]

Para nako mas maayo pa si vergel og si duremdes bro. Kita man jud ko ato caidic sa iya prime so maka-compare ko. Pero sa gihapon maayo na si Caidic jud hingigo kaayo ipanglabay ra ang bola pero if akoy papilion nila ni vergel adto ko sa naulahi.

Di nko choice si caidic kay hinay siya dili jud sya athletic unya wa syay ability to drive the ball to the hoop pero tungod sa iyang pagkahingigo bisan asa sa floor wa kaayo to sya manginanglan og athleticism. Mo value man gud kog athleticism coupled with ability to get to the rim anytime with excellent handles and finish unya naay jumpshot kaysa kanang limitado ra sa usa ka aspeto sa offensive skills,i.e, jump shooter ra or slasher ra. Mas tagaan nako dako value if mas completo ang skills sa usa ka player. Mao na vergel, duremdes, or Johnny A. ako pilion over ni caidic.

Si wilkins pud maayo pud siya wa jud nay question, I think deserving to sya top 50 players of all-time but wa ma-apil, pero sa akong kaugalingong tan-aw mas maayo pa si kobe nya. Kato ako previous post ako to gi-explain why I think kobe is better than wilkins and drexler.

bro, you base on your analysis purely on player's finesse moves and flashy finish. you didn't take into consideration that during the 80's and the early 90's, player back then were more fundamental style of basketball than an entertainer, except MJ on that matter because he was the one who redifine the phase of the game with his unbelievable and spectacular moves, with respect to DR. J. but most of them don't base their game of flash but they built their game with the physical aspect for the reason 80's and 90's gameplay were more "RUBO" than today.

let put bird, he is not a flashy and very athletic player but he is one of the top pure shooters of the league, he don't use his skills on finesse and grace movements but in our terms (MANOY nga player). he uses brain to deceive opponents and not quickness. one doesn't need quickness to be a good basketball player but a great shooting hands and the knowledge of the game.

about kobe better than wilkins and drexler, well i partly agree but kobe won't reach this summit today if MJ was playing on his year! the thing drexler and wilkins didn't win a championship and others like barkley, ewing, stockton, malone and ehlo thats simply because MJ was playing during that year.

so if ever MJ played during this year and as same age like kobe will maybe kobe will be likely a drexler during MJ's era...

rest my case...

[juan penduko]

if kobe was on jordan's era. kobe would be successful in his own little way. then one thing for sure he wont be playing like mike. he.s idol would not be mike. bt julius erving. hahahaha walay mo palag.

[depechebox]

bro, you base on your analysis purely on player's finesse moves and flashy finish. you didn't take into consideration that during the 80's and the early 90's, player back then were more fundamental style of basketball than an entertainer, except MJ on that matter because he was the one who redifine the phase of the game with his unbelievable and spectacular moves, with respect to DR. J. but most of them don't base their game of flash but they built their game with the physical aspect for the reason 80's and 90's gameplay were more "RUBO" than today.

let put bird, he is not a flashy and very athletic player but he is one of the top pure shooters of the league, he don't use his skills on finesse and grace movements but in our terms (MANOY nga player). he uses brain to deceive opponents and not quickness. one doesn't need quickness to be a good basketball player but a great shooting hands and the knowledge of the game.

about kobe better than wilkins and drexler, well i partly agree but kobe won't reach this summit today if MJ was playing on his year! the thing drexler and wilkins didn't win a championship and others like barkley, ewing, stockton, malone and ehlo thats simply because MJ was playing during that year.

so if ever MJ played during this year and as same age like kobe will maybe kobe will be likely a drexler during MJ's era...

rest my case...

I agree.... nag base siya sa kama ayohon sa player sa iya ahtletic ability which is wrong... daghan hinay og lihok pero deadly kaayo na player, to make it short smart mo dula...

its like comparing Kobe and Shaq..

doesnt mean that bec. kobe is more athletic is that he is better than Shaq......Shaq is way way better than Kobe...

and Kobe knows it..........


ex. lang daan Larry Bird...... I dont think kobe is better than Bird...

its not putting kobe down, Im just being realistic......

kobe is great no question, but kung ato siya i compare kang Bird or Magic.. layo pa kaayo siya sa tinood...

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so if ever MJ played during this year and as same age like kobe will maybe kobe will be likely a drexler during MJ's era...

Kani agree ta ani nga if ever kobe's prime was played during MJ's prime he would just be another drexler, stockton, malone and barkley that never won a championship but then again this is just pure speculation like this thread is because we will never know if Kobe would somehow team-up with another great superstar or two like one of those that I mentioned and win over jordan.

I never based my analysis on pure flash and finesse I based it on pure skills plus physical talent bai. If you notice Caidic basically had no flashy moves to pull-out of his pocket so there's no argument there. I'm just saying Meneses or Duremdes is more of a complete player than caidic and he is no Larry Bird either.

Larry Bird although he did not have the handles of a Kobe or Jordan he was just as effective in driving to the lane because he had an effective slashing game, no fancy moves needed. He could take the ball in the hole and still finish it though I never saw him split the defense when necessary. Caidic nver had an effective slashing game. All he did was station himself outside and would occasionaly drive the ball to the hole if a clear lane presents itself.

Plus, Bird had an excellent mid-range and pull-up game where he would put the ball on the floor drive to the basket then suddenly pull-up on his man's face. I think Caidic did not have that skill.

Larry Bird in conclusion was a completely skilled player. He can shoot from anywhere, rebound, pass, dribble effectively, post up and his IQ was very high to compensate for his lack of athleticism. His only weakness was his lacking the physical talent that Kobe and Michael have, i.e. quickness and jumping ability but boy was he tall and strong for his position. He could bully his defender down. "Manoy" na si Bird og Caidic but Caidic in my opinion did not have the same game as Larry Bird.

So can we agree that the more skilled a player is the better he is than the others. If you have a skilled player with the physical talent to go with it you will have Michael Jordan.

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I agree.... nag base siya sa kama ayohon sa player sa iya ahtletic ability which is wrong... daghan hinay og lihok pero deadly kaayo na player, to make it short smart mo dula...

Wala jud ko muingon bro nga if ang player naay athletic ability mas maayo. Ang ako pasabot if ang player naay athletic ability unya naa pa juy skills mas maayo siya kaysa player nga skills ray gisaligan or sa player nga ahtletic ability ray gisaligan walay skills.

[ManWhore]

So can we agree that the more skilled a player is the better he is than the others. If you have a skilled player with the physical talent to go with it you will have Michael Jordan.

this is absolutely right!