What's the Most Dangerous Martial Arts?

[Kamikaze]

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It's a part of Aikijujutsu training… I have little background on this (but not as extensive as you have...)
The little knowledge i'm sharing here is something that i have absorbed from my instructors, friends and various informative literatures...



Just wondering is your aikijutsu anyway affiliated with Nippon Daito Ryu Aikijutsu? as i understand it also includes sword techniques. Is it part of your curriculum?

I'm not an expert either of the Japanese sword art... But I have a passion of absorbing and learning from the different forms of Martial Arts.


If you want to debate on this matter… we can do it on other site but not here in istorya.net because this is not a debate board. This is a discussion board. The purpose of this forum is to facilitate growth.

oh really? and debate does not facilitate growth? a good debate is also a form discussion.
for example your stand on our discussion-debate? is that because kendo and kumdo use shinai and bokuto (bokken) they are same, but some kenjutsu schools also use shinai and bokken, Abe ryu kenjustu, Sakurai-ha Kogen Itto Ryu kenjutsu, Ishikawa Ryu kenjutsu, Yagyu Shinkage Ryu are just few examples of kenjutsu utilizing shinai.

originally Kumdo comes from Kendo, but it evolved that its different from kendo thats why they are not the same. just like Filipino martial arts, at the start our art comes from the Malays and Indonesians, but again it evolved so that it took on a different form.
Just like language some our dialect can be traced to Malaysia and some even have same meaning, our language cant be called a Malaysian language.

most of the Kumdo website will admit the influence of Kendo to Kumdo, esp during the japanese occupation, but 99 percent of them will say that Kumdo is a Koren Martial Art. They already integrated the Korean sword form that it change kendo the way Japanese introduced it.

since its not a good thing thing to tell people things which they are not.

Yes, I agree with you on that matter- and I’m not telling people things which they are not from myself, I was just sharing the information from what I have learned!

okay sharing is fine, but i believe that you are already correcting me about things am familiar with. PLEASE FORGIVE ME, i really dont want to be rude and a brag, but youre stand is just based on information coming from reading. Thats why i want to know if you have the experience about the either kendo or kumdo.

Like what I have said earlier, I just absorbed my “little knowledge” from my mentors and various informative sources… and I’m not an expert on Japanese Sword Arts (like you).

oh sorry am not an expert myself, 13 years study does make me an expert. Am just familiar with the people in this line of practice. There are a lot of people who are more knowledgable that i am, sadly there are very few in our lovely City. Have you meet frauds? there are Frauds teaching sword art, its really crazy and funny.

My Sword dojo is wide open for you to drop by and kindly demonstrate Kendo or Kumdo.

No need to demonstrate Kendo or Kumdo

no need to demonstrate? or you dont know any. common we can just be plain honest. Theres no harm in accepting the truth.
Kamikaze…
Like what I’ve said, I’m not an expert like you… Perhaps you could teach me your art of Kenjutsu instead?
I'd be very much interested on that! [/quote]

You are much welcome!

[patrixxx73]

Oh really? and debate does not facilitate growth? a good debate is also a form discussion.
for example your stand on our discussion-debate? is that because kendo and kumdo use shinai and bokuto (bokken) they are same, but some kenjutsu schools also use shinai and bokken, Abe ryu kenjustu, Sakurai-ha Kogen Itto Ryu kenjutsu, Ishikawa Ryu kenjutsu, Yagyu Shinkage Ryu are just few examples of kenjutsu utilizing shinai.

Originally Kumdo comes from Kendo, but it evolved that its different from kendo thats why they are not the same. just like Filipino martial arts, at the start our art comes from the Malays and Indonesians, but again it evolved so that it took on a different form.
Just like language some our dialect can be traced to Malaysia and some even have same meaning, our language cant be called a Malaysian language.

most of the Kumdo website will admit the influence of Kendo to Kumdo, esp during the japanese occupation, but 99 percent of them will say that Kumdo is a Koren Martial Art. They already integrated the Korean sword form that it change kendo the way Japanese introduced it.

So does it make the Tagalogs, Cebuanos and Ilonggos different from the Filipinos? (Please try reading again my previous posts...)

For example Kenjutsu and Kendo are both Japanese sword art, are they the same? for 13 years of training in kenjutsu and meeting different people in the sword art, i never heared that kenjutsu and kendo are the same. Similar? yes, Same- No!

Yes, Isn’t it obvious that both Japanese martial arts are not the same?
But if you compare Kendo from Kumdo, which both weilds wooden swords…
What’s the difference? Maybe in technicalities, but literally? I don’t think so…

"Kumdo," literally means, "Sword Way." Kumdo is a Korean translation of the Japanese term, "Kendo." "Ken" meaning, "Sword," and, "Do" meaning, "Way."

Perhaps you’re right that they differ in their ideologies and applications since the Koreans modified the art, but then again…
Both Kendo and Kumdo literary means “The way of the sword” as stated above…
and if you translate both Korean and Japanese characters into Chinese they will have the same meaning...

since its not a good thing thing to tell people things which they are not.

Yes, I agree with you on that matter- and I’m not telling people things which they are not from myself, I was just sharing the information from what I have learned!

okay sharing is fine, but i believe that you are already correcting me about things am familiar with. PLEASE FORGIVE ME, i really dont want to be rude and a brag, but youre stand is just based on information coming from reading. Thats why i want to know if you have the experience about the either kendo or kumdo.

No experience with Kumdo or Kendo, but I do have with other martial arts discipline (as mentioned previously - I hope you would'nt be asking for a demonstration or certificates as well? ). And we also do discuss other martial arts... and Kendo is not an exeption. Forgive me for this misunderstanding, I never corrected you things that you are familiar with, in fact, i was agreeing with you in some ways. Actually it's basically the technicalities of words used that's causing our disagreement.

My Sword dojo is wide open for you to drop by and kindly demonstrate Kendo or Kumdo.

No need to demonstrate Kendo or Kumdo Kamikaze…
Like what I’ve said, I’m not an expert like you… Perhaps you could teach me your art of Kenjutsu instead?
I'd be very much interested on that!

no need to demonstrate? or you dont know any. common we can just be plain honest. Theres no harm in accepting the truth.

Putting words into my mouth? I never said that i practice Kumdo or Kendo... What i meant when i said "No need to demonstrate" is already the fact of accepting the Truth! Excuse me Kamikaze but I never claimed of practicing kendo or kumdo... In the first place I was just referring to someone that i knew who knows that art (as referred by my friend- Clifford Jao who is in the same school as he is!).
Below is the original message posted...

patrixxx? is there a kendo dojo in cebu?

Yes, at Doce Pares Club sa Sto. Nino Village Eagles St. Banilad (Martial Arts Hall) Everyday, at 5pm Korean Instructor 2nd Dan Black belt sa Kendo (I forgot his name)

Naa diay kendo sa doce pares? By the way, member ka sa doce pares? I am but wa sa ko niadto kay graduating man. Basin kita kita ra ta didto. It's been awhile since niadto ko, do you have any idea nus-a ang date para sa world championship (arnis) and asa? I know na for this year, Philippines ang venue pero wa ko kahibalo asa sa Cebu. Keep me posted please.

Nope, I'm not a member of Doce Pares Club sa 30 Eagle Street Santo Nino Village... But my close-friend Clifford Jao is... Yes, there used to be Korean student of Doce Pares who is also a 2nd dan black belt of Kendo... Regarding the schedule of the world championships, perhaps you can e-mail: dioncn@moscom.com he might able to give you the schedule...

If you want to have a Kumdo or Kendo demonstartion perhaps you may visit The martial arts hall at Eagle's St. Sto Nino Village and you may inquire them for their Korean Kendo Instructor... Or perhaps you may care to demonstrate it yourself?

[Kamikaze]

So does it make the Tagalogs, Cebuanos and Ilonggos different from the Filipinos? (Please try reading again my previous posts...)

Common, cant really compare a red car to a red truck.
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No experience with Kumdo or Kendo, but I do have with other martial arts discipline (as mentioned previously - I hope you would'nt be asking for a demonstration or certificates as well? ). And we also do discuss other martial arts... and Kendo is not an exeption. Forgive me for this misunderstanding, I never corrected you things that you are familiar with, in fact, i was agreeing with you in some ways. Actually it's basically the technicalities of words used that's causing our disagreement.

ha ha ha no i wont ask for such things, and anyways am in no position to discuss such matters beyong my full understanding. i dont even have the experience of those arts. Thats why am more carefull about making comments about those arts, coz am simply unqualified. sometimes knowledge about martial arts goes beyond reading.
but you, you might be 5th dan in aikijutsu, so am in no position to persist my knowledge based on books or literatures.

Have met Dhong sensei once , pleasant and accomodating person, his aikijutsu techniques is impressive, if not it wont be adapted by the police. But when we talk at length, he didnt mention about including aikijutsu sword techniques as part of his curriculum below shodan. I guess youre a Yudansha? are you? also able to talk with Atty. Nominal, nice person. he exlained to me Comjukai, its interesting and very informative.






[b][i][color=darkblue]Putting words into my mouth? I never said that i practice Kumdo or Kendo... What i meant when i said "No need to demonstrate" is already the fact of accepting the Truth! Excuse me Kamikaze but I never claimed of practicing kendo or kumdo...

you could have said no
that could have made things simpler. Youre statement would rather appear like hiding between the shades of the words.


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If you want to have a Kumdo or Kendo demonstartion perhaps you may visit The martial arts hall at Eagle's St. Sto Nino Village and you may inquire them for their Korean Kendo Instructor... Or perhaps you may care to demonstrate it yourself?[/quote]

i was really sincere in asking you about a demo, since you didnt answer my question whether you studied kendo or kumdo, i thought you might be able to enlighten me. but since you dont know, no problem at all.

ha ha ha ha ha ha dear kid i do go over there from time to time, since i also teach Doce Pares in a University. Just ask Borces Sensei about me, he is 5th dan Shorin ryu karate and 6th dan Arnis.

[patrixxx73]

i was really sincere in asking you about a demo, since you didnt answer my question whether you studied kendo or kumdo, i thought you might be able to enlighten me. but since you dont know, no problem at all.

ha ha ha ha ha ha dear kid i do go over there from time to time, since also teach Doce Pares in a University. Just ask Borces Sensei about me, he is 5th dan Shorin ryu karate and 6th dan Arnis.

I believed you… No need in confirming to Sensei George Borces.

Sensei Lyndon Melendrez and Mr. Clifford Jao had trained with the Korean Kendo Instuctor, perhaps you can inquire to them regarding your concern if you happen to visit their dojo at Sto. Nino.

No offense meant. I’m just passionate in sharing my views regarding the different martial art disciplines…

My apologize for any misunderstandings caused Kamikaze…

[Kamikaze]

As for Melendez Sensei i believe he also knows Japanese Sword Art. I have spoken with him about JSA. Borces Sensei son as i recall have studied JSA under him.

No problem patrix-san, no problem at all.

More power!

[Persian_King73]

Man, I'm so glad to be back again.I've noticed you were having an almost heated debate with a junior member. Well, those stuffs are unavoidable. I wish I could informatively give some insights on that topic, but I really don't have any idea about "Kumdo". In Kendo, I don't enjoyed it, that much, my training in that Martial Art is only 2 weeks. I think I'm really in love with Aikido. But anyway, Good Luck, sometimes it pays a price to be a "moderator". Have a nice day.

[patrixxx73]

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