Who made the BIG BANG - a creator or physics??

[kebot]

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ah, it's ok sir kebs. but as for me, it really doesn't matter. para nako man gud, what good does it do to know what really happened? maybe some things are better left unknown.

Thats exactly the whole point. As for me I Choose the Otherway around so I can spend my time enjoying rather than spent my time finding HOW. Let them find it, I will enjoy what they find... hehehe
Gud Luck mga seekers. We will know at the same moment it will be published... hehehe! Its just a matter of believing what they found out...

So ano na rn? who feels better? tsk tsk tsk...

[bluedes]

Thats exactly the whole point. As for me I Choose the Otherway around so I can spend my time enjoying rather than spent my time finding HOW. Let them find it, I will enjoy what they find... hehehe
Gud Luck mga seekers. We will know at the same moment it will be published... hehehe! Its just a matter of believing what they found out...

So ano na rn? who feels better? tsk tsk tsk...

brad kebz.. there is also what you call the quest for knowledge.. to advance knowledge to the next level is also a spiritually satisfying endeavour...

i'll give you a very simple but not very acknowledge example.

telecommunications.. from alexander graham bell, to our cellphones karon. can you imagine how it all evolved from simple sound waves travelling thru copper wires unya karon kay digital cellphones na ta ron, with wifi and all that text and picture messaging?

mao na xa ang purpose sa mga seekers.. otherwise, nagbitbit pa siguro ka ug "The Brick" hangtod karon, na ang battery parehas ka dako sa battery sa awto..

ang mga people behind the REAL developments in this field were frowned upon in their times, pero tan-awa karon.. they are the unsung "dark" heroes of our times..

[cromagnon]

neither shall i live and die in ignorance and superstition'

[Hellblazer 2.1]

mr.blue, i think the "telephone" credit to graham bell was way overrated. i think there was an italian fellow more deserving than him as the truly first inventor of the telephone. the name just escaped me. sowee. hehehe.

[kebot]

brad kebz.. there is also what you call the quest for knowledge.. to advance knowledge to the next level is also a spiritually satisfying endeavour...

i'll give you a very simple but not very acknowledge example.

telecommunications.. from alexander graham bell, to our cellphones karon. can you imagine how it all evolved from simple sound waves travelling thru copper wires unya karon kay digital cellphones na ta ron, with wifi and all that text and picture messaging?

mao na xa ang purpose sa mga seekers.. otherwise, nagbitbit pa siguro ka ug "The Brick" hangtod karon, na ang battery parehas ka dako sa battery sa awto..

ang mga people behind the REAL developments in this field were frowned upon in their times, pero tan-awa karon.. they are the unsung "dark" heroes of our times..

Blue tsk tsk tsk... please be careful what you say... Nawala napod ko tanaw nmo da... Can I qoute myself?
"Let them find it". Brad I do not want them to stop, ila na trabaho... Nano brad sayantes ka? I am not against what they are doing... I told you c kebot mag enjoy ra whatever they find. So don't close the world on me... If kamo dili sayantes then that will be time to realize to sit back and enjoy dba? c kebot dili sayantes aw sit back and enjoy... please tell me if you are a sayantes kay e add tka sa ako people to watch... tsk tsk tsk. bad answer... Gets?

[kebot]

mr.blue, i think the "telephone" credit to graham bell was way overrated. i think there was an italian fellow more deserving than him as the truly first inventor of the telephone. the name just escaped me. sowee. hehehe.

OT: Yea hell 4 hours difference for pattent. But thats beside the point.

[munzter666]

Ok. to summarize,
1. You said science is self correcting... and this is not bad.
2. No better alternative to BIGBang.
3. Other Theory (steady state tobe specific) don't need proof or evidence because.


Counter:
1. Of course science is self correcting and should be or else it is never the truth (provisional).
If dogma is self correcting then its bullshit. my dogma said he is true to his word now and forever. My dogma does not describe how he created things because dogma does not focus on knowledge, dogma focus on God who is God, how great is God. You have a misconception there. Bible is not Knowledge it is Knowing God. Creation is just a description of how magnificent, intelligence the designer is. You cannot compare Math and Bible. Its not a logical fight.

first of all you cant really tell if that dogma is true or not. remember what and how dogma was applied regarding FLAT EARTHers...and something funny as that ended/silenced countless lives for rejecting such funny notion...and for what dogmatic beliefs.
your dogma claims its true....in case you havent noticed yet. so are the OTHER dogmas from OTHER denominations...they claim theirs is true too. now what??
besides, you can only back your dogmas with FAITH...your words--->>>gut feeling.

Its not bad(this is not an issue to get corrected)... Well dogma did not correct itself (major overhaul) for the past 2000 years. So how would you compare a mature knowledge and a experiment project(Big Bang...)? Dont compare bible with science because bible is not against science but it just expand science (walk on water? quantum mechanics says its possible over a millionth chance watch it.)

since when did mud pie magic become mature knowledge to begin with?

2. No better alternative. You know what to be honest, Big Bang is indeed exciting why because the project is huge Mars Rover, Hubble Telescope walla its so exciting, Creation is boring no budget. But both are stories both are theory.

have you ever heard about the creation museum, billions of dollars for such waste.
creationism isnt SCIENTIFIC in the first place, you missed out on that one kebz. even its founder acknowledges creationism isn't scientific. and you call it a theory now...try again.

Both Claims Observation:

Big Bang Observe a constant radiation... from Universe... (I dont know what are they talking about brad if you can add some more claimed of observation pls do I want an update also...) but failed to point where it happen. They just said it did happen, when somebody said they will triangulate something this excites me...
They constructed Large Hadron Collider track down what really happen to big bang... All of these are yet to be proven but they said they observed. (what? did u observe something monster? )

I hope Faith does not apply to this Claim. Because I am starting to think is Evolution a religion? But I only think about it...

Creation.

Is self explanatory. A designer, created everything. See the patterns. Vegetation are green. Animals metabolize, Complex Ecosystem. And this chance is exclusive to Earth. Y not on other Planet? You see creation everyday no need to find proof.
-short but a lot believe including me.

What ever you prefer, I don't care. If you say science both have science. High-tech lang ang Big Bang to add excitement.. Opinion ni nako ha.

seriously??
has anybody else observed mud pie magic at hand? tell me something i dont know kebz...what has creationism offered us really? breakthrough drugs in the field of pharmacology? how about surgery? NOTHING really.

self explanatory??
i see the same things you are pointing at kebz, sufficient explanations are available. no designer involved there.

3. Brad if String Theory will be proven, Einstien is toast. Relativity is not applicable to sub atomic matter. Therefore does not apply. According to String Theorist. I don't want to waste time on other theories brad... maybe you can spell it to us. If no proof then its just a plain crap. over and over again.

ever heard the saying of standing in the shoulder of giants?
it means using the understanding gained by major thinkers who have gone before in order to make intellectual progress. einstein's theories paved something BIGGER and BETTER. his efforts will not go down in vain.
please limit yourself to OTHER theories that rivaled big bang...

As for mud pie and dogmatic talk. Well Id better be a fool believing a God than a fool believing humans. Asa na c mud pie rn? Don't be too confident of your idea brad kay hantud karon wala pa jud convincing evidence. Saman hulat napod ta? hahay!

right back at you. no convincing evidence for your mud pie magic either. other than POOOF there it is. better stick to our tribal roots and prefer BAMBOO SHOOTS for malakas and maganda kebz.

Analogy for you:
Remember BatMan and Robin. Kinsay mas boang nila? hehehe...

[bluedes]

Blue tsk tsk tsk... please be careful what you say... Nawala napod ko tanaw nmo da... Can I qoute myself?
"Let them find it". Brad I do not want them to stop, ila na trabaho... Nano brad sayantes ka? I am not against what they are doing... I told you c kebot mag enjoy ra whatever they find. So don't close the world on me... If kamo dili sayantes then that will be time to realize to sit back and enjoy dba? c kebot dili sayantes aw sit back and enjoy... please tell me if you are a sayantes kay e add tka sa ako people to watch... tsk tsk tsk. bad answer... Gets?

murag na-misunderstand nimo akong post brad..

you say you will just sit back and enjoy.. but you don't care to find out HOW.. that attitude, if prevailing na na attitude, not willing to find out HOW, stone age pa japon atong technology karon.

in my personal opinion, kanang musit-back and enjoy, excess baggage na sa civilization.. angay na na sila ma-extinct, ug mawala sa face of the earth.. no offense.. pero why would u benefit from the hardwork of the people who gushed their sweat and blood to improve on knowledge when you would not even care HOW.. unsay gamit sa imong utok brad? panglihok lang sa imong mga kamot para mukaon ug pag-abli sa imong kibot para malibang?

[kebot]

murag na-misunderstand nimo akong post brad..

you say you will just sit back and enjoy.. but you don't care to find out HOW.. that attitude, if prevailing na na attitude, not willing to find out HOW, stone age pa japon atong technology karon.

in my personal opinion, kanang musit-back and enjoy, excess baggage na sa civilization.. angay na na sila ma-extinct, ug mawala sa face of the earth.. no offense.. pero why would u benefit from the hardwork of the people who gushed their sweat and blood to improve on knowledge when you would not even care HOW.. unsay gamit sa imong utok brad? panglihok lang sa imong mga kamot para mukaon ug pag-abli sa imong kibot para malibang?

Purbida jud.... cge gisapot na c kebot super saiyan na brad... minaw ha....
If i say i sit back and enjoy its called quality life. so ayaw pag inidiot.
excess baggage - how dare you, your attitude shows you are capable of such things... tsk tsk tsk... brad after a long day of work what do you want to do? mag sayantes, Not all people are created with the same gift so don't assume people think like you. WTF. I don't care how kay wala koy time kasabot ka... Brad kung bogo-on ka na naningkamot ok ra nako wala koy prob. Pero mo ingon ka na wala mi right mabuhi, aw you are simply an IDIOT. coz it wont happen. I already lived and mocking your brains out. so shut the fart out... ok! kung wala nakay ika sulti watch and learn nalang... Ok.

[kebot]

first of all you cant really tell if that dogma is true or not. remember what and how dogma was applied regarding FLAT EARTHers...and something funny as that ended/silenced countless lives for rejecting such funny notion...and for what dogmatic beliefs.
your dogma claims its true....in case you havent noticed yet. so are the OTHER dogmas from OTHER denominations...they claim theirs is true too. now what??
besides, you can only back your dogmas with FAITH...your words--->>>gut feeling.



since when did mud pie magic become mature knowledge to begin with?

have you ever heard about the creation museum, billions of dollars for such waste.
creationism isnt SCIENTIFIC in the first place, you missed out on that one kebz. even its founder acknowledges creationism isn't scientific. and you call it a theory now...try again.



seriously??
has anybody else observed mud pie magic at hand? tell me something i dont know kebz...what has creationism offered us really? breakthrough drugs in the field of pharmacology? how about surgery? NOTHING really.

self explanatory??
i see the same things you are pointing at kebz, sufficient explanations are available. no designer involved there.


ever heard the saying of standing in the shoulder of giants?
it means using the understanding gained by major thinkers who have gone before in order to make intellectual progress. einstein's theories paved something BIGGER and BETTER. his efforts will not go down in vain.
please limit yourself to OTHER theories that rivaled big bang...


right back at you. no convincing evidence for your mud pie magic either. other than POOOF there it is. better stick to our tribal roots and prefer BAMBOO SHOOTS for malakas and maganda kebz.

first of all you cant really tell if that dogma is true or not
--- brad dont get confused of doctrine... kay doctrine is practice... gets.

have you ever heard about the creation museum, billions of dollars for such waste.
---- no funding brad, simple. Coz no government can and will finance because it conflicts to thier agenda... gets?

breakthrough drugs in the field of pharmacology?
--- bible speak about miracle not drugs... eeey I recall Why did hospital prohibit embalming of the body immediately? Back to life? Medicine cannot explain this right? but it happen. So, did doctors did not believe in miracles? THINK AGAIN! I hope you can...


right back at you. no convincing evidence for your mud pie magic either. other than POOOF there it is. better stick to our tribal roots and prefer BAMBOO SHOOTS for malakas and maganda kebz.
--- theories are observe and not acceptable to some, thats why it is still theory. Brad Paghimo imo dictionary para lalison nato... We observe and you can't maybe nag pa buta buta... hehehe! Then whats your proof again sa BIG (FART) Bang? WALA MAN LAGI KOY NABASAHAN. Dont expand your Topic to medicine brad wala pata mahuman sa BIG BANG. EBIDENSYA NMO B. TANAWN NATO. E Explain hap... d gani ka ka explain samot na imo observation wala...