You can be a moral person without God...

[jamesmusslewhite]

Mass murders, serial killers, professional criminals, rapist, and pedophiles could all say they are Moral people. Who can debate this. They are each right to pursue their desires and beliefs. By what standard do you dare tell the man who is going to kill you for the contents of you wallet, that he is not Moral. You have no right to tell the man who is raping your sister, wife, or mother that he has not the right, or that he is not moral.

What gauge, unit of measurement, or rules do you possible apply to tell them otherwise?
The codes of conduct established by religions. Those standards even if Atheist take over the world and religions are outlawed, they will still have to apply the same rules to keep others in line so they will not take what is theirs. You can call them the "New Laws of Bob", but they will still only be cheap copies of religion's laws. The die is already cast, and the bar has been raised, and all you can do is follow.

[AmorsoloX]

philippines is a largely catholic country, taas gani kaau crime rate..
--- because of the people like you who stop believing. Ask the criminals if they have the FAITH. Blame it to the people like you.

there is no such thing as the perfect country or location
--- kinsa diay ni ingon? omg...

as long as there are people and there are conflicts of interest, then there will be bad things..
--- so you mean if there is conflict there is bad things... why not work out that differences or be indifferent.. its a choice to do BAD THINGS, NOT A PROCESS.

sure? because of people like me who stop believing? hmmm.. funny, hehehe.. i guess the church boys hate people like me.. people who have witnessed the truth and are not afraid to challenge the authority of the church.. call me immoral, insane..but i found inner peace outside religion..

daghan ta problema dire tungod sa mga tao nga parehas nimo nga stuck up sa ila self righteousness.. you can tantrum all you want, that wont stop me from living the good "immoral" life.. sa ma suya lang gud..

i know you hate what you cant have.. sus.. na suko mo sa mga "immoral" na parehas nako kay you cant do the things we love to do.. hehehe.. we enjoy life..

[lorenzoleo]

I'm not so religious person but I believe in God. Daghan jud crimes dili tungod sa religion kung dili tungud sa Financial problems. Ang tao ba gusto man gud ug dali mao ng gusto sad mu commit ug crimes.

Kanang sad baya atong "leave it to God" mentality, mao sad ng maka pa pobre nato kay too much ra sad cge na lang tag paabot niya ug isalig niya tanan. Pero naa baya na sa bible sad na "lihok tao kay tabangan ta mo".

[AmorsoloX]

as long as there are people and there are conflicts of interest, then there will be bad things..
--- so you mean if there is conflict there is bad things... why not work out that differences or be indifferent.. its a choice to do BAD THINGS, NOT A PROCESS.

only weak people compromise.. in the end, those who compromise are the losers at the bargaining table.. mosugot ra diay mo nga naa bully, mao na nkasakit. kay gusto mo likay og gubot, mag pa itoy2x nlang maski kamao nga sayop..

negotiating with a smile is good.. but negotiating with a smile plus a gun in hand is a lot more effective..- al capone

he who wants peace must be prepared for war... - sun tzu

[AmorsoloX]

I'm not so religious person but I believe in God. Daghan jud crimes dili tungod sa religion kung dili tungud sa Financial problems. Ang tao ba gusto man gud ug dali mao ng gusto sad mu commit ug crimes.

Kanang sad baya atong "leave it to God" mentality, mao sad ng maka pa pobre nato kay too much ra sad cge na lang tag paabot niya ug isalig niya tanan. Pero naa baya na sa bible sad na "lihok tao kay tabangan ta mo".

wui! musta? init kaau didtu sa business section.. hehe..

mao na ako gi preach dire pud.. kanang "leave it to god" mentality nga mka pobre.. na sa diyos ang awa, nasa tao ang gawa..

daghan kaau mga religious people moingon nga money is the root of evil.. but the truth is ignorance about money is evil... para sa mga religious people, mo hisgot na ka og kwarta, daotan na daun..

[lorenzoleo]

My mentor is Bro. Bo Sanchez, if they have the time to meet him. I hope they can be coached and preached. You can be financially healthy and spiritualy healthy at the same time. Dapat mao jud ng dapat. Mao na si Cristo nag paka tao ug nagpaka ubos kay gusto niya na tanan tao mu asenso ang kinabuhi both spiritual and financial. Mao ng si Cristo nagpa kakabus para I lift ta tagsa2x sa atong kinabuhi. Some people lang gud they take the message of the bible literally but they don't understand the deeper meaning of it.

it is not the money that is the root cause of evil, it is the perosn who is using it in evil ways. Money doesn't speak, it doesn't complain, it doesn't get sick, it even works in Xmas times and gives you interest.

If you are the slave of the money mao na diha mu gawas ang mga evil deeds. But if you are the boss of the money and the money is your slave daghan pakag tao ma bulahan sa imung mga gracia.

OT : Bahala na tong business section naa ra na nila kung mu change sila sa ilang lifestyle or dili. Basta I'm on my way in making money as my slave. I will do it for Christ to share this blessings to other people. How can you bless people if you yourself don't have the blessings?

Kahibaw mo ngano ang dato mu samot ug kadato? Ang2x daghan man silag tao gitabangan na makakaon ilang pamilya kadaadlaw. Daghan kag tao gitabangan, ang gracia sad ana mu balik sad nimu ten folds. "Give and it will come back to you".

"I rather teach you how to fish than giving you a fish"

[jeremiahjay]

Then why need a god? Why go to church? Why pray?

These are my subjective answers:

I can be moral without GOd

Ans: Yes, But my morality will not bring me somewhere (esp. heaven). My dark side will eventually comeout. That's why I need his light to beat my darkness.


Why we need God?

Ans: Because there is a void in me that can not be filled by anybody, or anything but Him. So I need Him to complete me.

Why go to church?

Ans: It is the only institution that has the potential to change people's lives. In fact it is the only institution existed for its non-members (that is why everybody is welcome).I want to be changed for the better even for how long it takes.

Why pray?
Ans: He is the only person that i can talk to as honest and open as i could be. There are certain things that i could never talk to my gf about (esp if the problem is related to her); nor I could talk to my best friend (esp. if the issue is related to him). The thing with me is that I'm facing challenges and pressures in my life which i could not find anybody but God.

folks You are entitled to your opinion, but this is mine. It's too late for anybody to talk me out of what I believe in.

God bless and good night.

[chad_tukes]

Mass murders, serial killers, professional criminals, rapist, and pedophiles could all say they are Moral people. Who can debate this. They are each right to pursue their desires and beliefs. By what standard do you dare tell the man who is going to kill you for the contents of you wallet, that he is not Moral. You have no right to tell the man who is raping your sister, wife, or mother that he has not the right, or that he is not moral. [B]

yeah exactly, but i don't see your point. the only way to gauge a person's morality is by his actions so to say that one is "living the Word of God" is an understatement. Paul Hill killed an abortionist for killing babies and maintained that it was the "moral" thing to do and that he would be rewarded as a martyr in heaven---and he was a minister at a Presbyterian Church.

[jamesmusslewhite]

yeah exactly, but i don't see your point. the only way to gauge a person's morality is by his actions so to say that one is "living the Word of God" is an understatement. Paul Hill killed an abortionist for killing babies and maintained that it was the "moral" thing to do and that he would be rewarded as a martyr in heaven---and he was a minister at a Presbyterian Church.

There has to be a established Morality standard. Genghis Khan, Ivan the Terrible, Henry the Eight, Attila the Hun, Vlad the Impaler, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Nixon, or George W. Bush. Were liked by those that saw them as Moral, and even thought of themselves as moral; which is a problem. There has to be an accurate measuring stick. Religious Moral codes provide accepted social standards, many do not follow them but they give us the standard in which to judge their actions.

Man's Morality can change on a whelm or vary person to person. The standard must inflexible, unbending, set in stone. God only gave us 10 laws and if we followed them, we would not need the 50 Titled Volumes of law books in the US which contain the tens of thousands of laws used in the US alone.

[chad_tukes]

There has to be a established Morality standard. Genghis Khan, Ivan the Terrible, Henry the Eight, Attila the Hun, Vlad the Impaler, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Nixon, or George W. Bush. Were liked by those that saw them as Moral, and even thought of themselves as moral; which is a problem. There has to be an accurate measuring stick. Religious Moral codes provide accepted social standards, many do not follow them but they give us the standard in which to judge their actions.

Man's Morality can change on a whelm or vary person to person. The standard must inflexible, unbending, set in stone. God only gave us 10 laws and if we followed them, we would not need the 50 Titled Volumes of law books in the US which contain the tens of thousands of laws used in the US alone.

"Religionists are clinging to little, positive, verbal, formal versions of the moral law... while the laws of the Law, the great circling truths whose only adequate symbol is the material laws, the astronomy etc. are all unobserved, and sneered at when spoken of."

--Ralph Waldo Emerson, in "Emerson: The Mind on Fire" p. 151