What's wrong with HB 3773? A LOT!!! (New Online Petitions added!)

[jnex]

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Sakto gyud ang pang rason bai?.... pila na ka dikada ning maong problema?... unsay imong gihimo para masabtan sa mga tawo ang imong tumong ug tinguha? nadungog kaba nila? did our population decreased with that endeavor? MIsamot hinoon tungod kay wala mo nagsubay sa realidad.....anyway, bata pa ko para mo tackle ani nga butang(Tinedyer pa ko bai) pero ma-o na ni akong gika mat-an nga sitwasyon whrein i want to get out of this life! ug labaw sa tanan dili ko taga cebu? Taga Mindanao ko bai ug anhi diri sa amo lugar sa Piapi Boulevard ug sa akong mga parinti sa mga nagkalain-laing squatters area diri sa Davao. Nakaadto na pud ko sa akong tiyuhin sa Tondo Manila, I've seen people living clamber under the bridge, along the river, along the railroad, impecunios vacant lots and buildings, esteros and garbage sites...have you visited this places? Or have you been inherent in some eskinitas and streets in Manila where defferent faces of endigent people reside and do their crimes for survival? Kama-o kaha ni sila mag-abstain? disiplina sa kaugalingon? naa kaha ni silay alamag sa good family planning? WALA! because they want to share a lead as victims of child labor, child prostitutions, rape, pedofile etc.? Siguro dili man sa against sa disiplina sa kaugalingon pero they leave no choice beacuse of helplessness.

Siguro ang imong napuy-an, kanang lugar sa mga professional squatters, tino-ud squatter nang lugara bai pero mga middle earner na sila busa ayaw na ipang-hambog. Ug ayaw sad pag-panghambog nga okey ra inyong squatters kay sa pagka-ngalan squatters, nag-larawan gihapon na sa kalisod? Ikaw okey lang ba nga wala ta nag-hu-ot pero nag-puyo ta sa eskwater tanang Pilipino?

Karon bai pila na man imong anak? im sure ang kadaghan sa imong anak sakto ra pod sa imong pang-rason...pero ang akong tuyo para sa kadaghanan bai? dili tanan tawo pareha nimo ug panghuna2x. Ang uban tawo wala makahibalo ang usa sa nagpapobre sa Pilipinas ang sobra nga popolasyon. Ang uban tawo wala pud makahibalo nga mao di mahatagan ug pantay nga atensyon sa goberno ang uban tawo tungod ra pud sa parehong rason.

[dacs]

Sakto gyud ang pang rason bai?.... pila na ka dikada ning maong problema?... unsay imong gihimo para masabtan sa mga tawo ang imong tumong ug tinguha? nadungog kaba nila? did our population decreased with that endeavor? MIsamot hinoon tungod kay wala mo nagsubay sa realidad.....

Unsay akong gihimo ... akong gitudloan ang mga minyo nga akong maistorya kung nganong gidili sa simbahan ang artificial methods. Ang mga kabatan-onan nga akong maistorya ako pong gidiskasan sa mga rason sa simbahan ngano nga nagmakuli kini sa pag-indusar sa artificial methods. I tell them why this is so - using the Bible, using natural law, using moral law, using divine law, and using objective reasoning.

Karon, unsa may imong gibuhat personally para mokunhod ang pagpasagad ug pagmabdos? Ayaw paliban sa imong edad ha. Nisulod ka ani nga diskusyon; nan pagkat-on ug barugi ang imong hunahuna.

anyway, bata pa ko para mo tackle ani nga butang(Tinedyer pa ko bai) pero ma-o na ni akong gika mat-an nga sitwasyon whrein i want to get out of this life!

Liboga nimo, bro! Nisulod ka ani nga diskusyon unya moingon-ingon ka nga teenager pa ka ug bata pa ka para mo-tackle ani nga butang. Wa man kay klaro! Padayon sa pagpadayag sa imong hunahuna. Kung tinuod nga teenager ka unya nagtuo ka nga bata pa ka para ani, hilom. Pero dili man ka mohilom, di ba? Then ayaw pagpalaban sa imong pangedaron.

ug labaw sa tanan dili ko taga cebu? Taga Mindanao ko bai ug anhi diri sa amo lugar sa Piapi Boulevard ug sa akong mga parinti sa mga nagkalain-laing squatters area diri sa Davao. Nakaadto na pud ko sa akong tiyuhin sa Tondo Manila, I've seen people living clamber under the bridge, along the river, along the railroad, impecunios vacant lots and buildings, esteros and garbage sites...have you visited this places? Or have you been inherent in some eskinitas and streets in Manila where defferent faces of endigent people reside and do their crimes for survival? Kama-o kaha ni sila mag-abstain? disiplina sa kaugalingon?

Nganong dili man nato tudloan? Nganong sirad-an man nimo ang imong hunahuna sa katinuoran nga dili tanang squatter ingon ana ang sitwasyon? You have visited these places, as you have posted. At that moment and at that particular place, what have you done?

naa kaha ni silay alamag sa good family planning? WALA! because they want to share a lead as victims of child labor, child prostitutions, rape, pedofile etc.? Siguro dili man sa against sa disiplina sa kaugalingon pero they leave no choice beacuse of helplessness.

Tudloan lagi nato. Asa man ka nakakuha ana nga inpormasyon nga 'they want to share a lead as victims of child labor, ...'? Imo ra nang tinomotomo o naa kay survey nga ikapakita?

Kung dili man diay sila against sa disiplina sa kaugalingon, unsa pa man imong gibagutbot? Kung katudloan sila unsaon pagdisiplina sa kaugalingon, dakung kaayo para niining mga tawhana. It is a wrong assumption that these people are really helpless or cannot help themselves. We can teach them to recover the dignity of living. That is one of the reason why the Couples for Christ has an on-going project called Gawad Kalinga. If you been more inclined to help than to grumble, you could have provided a much needed assistance than just being a couch activist.

Siguro ang imong napuy-an, kanang lugar sa mga professional squatters, tino-ud squatter nang lugara bai pero mga middle earner na sila busa ayaw na ipang-hambog. Ug ayaw sad pag-panghambog nga okey ra inyong squatters kay sa pagka-ngalan squatters, nag-larawan gihapon na sa kalisod? Ikaw okey lang ba nga wala ta nag-hu-ot pero nag-puyo ta sa eskwater tanang Pilipino?

Are you really a teenager, bro? Probably, you are. You make so many assumptions without proof and you take them as facts. Read again my post. I never said that there is no squatter who are in squalid conditions. Start listening to others instead of listening only to yourself. If someone gives you information, do not take it as 'panghambog'. Kung ingon ana ka, ayaw mi palihug apila. You seem to draw a very miserable life in front of you. I, on the other hand, are more realistic. I can help these people. I am helping these people.

Karon bai pila na man imong anak? im sure ang kadaghan sa imong anak sakto ra pod sa imong pang-rason...pero ang akong tuyo para sa kadaghanan bai?

Mao ganing tudloan!

dili tanan tawo pareha nimo ug panghuna2x. Ang uban tawo wala makahibalo ang usa sa nagpapobre sa Pilipinas ang sobra nga popolasyon. Ang uban tawo wala pud makahibalo nga mao di mahatagan ug pantay nga atensyon sa goberno ang uban tawo tungod ra pud sa parehong rason.

So, you have never read the previous posts. Read please. Get to know the facts and not the stereo-typed conditions.

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Pasaylo-a ko ug dako, wa ko nag-tuo nga ang mga tawo diay diri membro sa simbahan. Pero nagtu-o jud ko nga ang artificial method gyud ang most effective karon labi na jud sa eskwater area kay ani gyung lugara ang kusog manganak unya kasagaran pod wala gyuy control sa kaugalingon...kung makab-ot na ning appropriate number unya mahatagan na ug equal na pagtagad sa goberno, pwede na siguro ang counseling......kay ma control naman.

[mannyamador]

Ang problema man gud sa imo, wala man gud mo ka agi ug gutom..!!!! kung kakita lang ka sa among lugar nga halos mag-inilugay'g bahaw, maka ingon gyud ka nga pagka lami patyon sa akong tatay ug nanay uy para ma-undang ug panganak...!!! Unsaon man nimo pag-buhi sa tawo nga wa kay capacity mo buhi? karon ang pilipinas ba rich enough to raise people equally? Nagpakabana baka sa mga tawo nga gimo himo ang kalsada ug pinoy-anan kay walay ma tulugan? Nagpakabana kaba sa tawo nga halos buhaton tanan crimen para lang babuhi? Nagpakabana kaba sa mga tawo sa iskwater nga murag salmon nga ga hu-ot?

And you think some stupid contraceptive bill will solve poverty? You're dreaming. As has been proven, population has nothing to do with national poverty. Contraceptives will make things worse, as it already has in other countries. It will eventually lead to legalized abortion. It will waste millions on useless contraceptives. Try reading some of the existing literature first instead of making some mindless rant! Good grief!

[mannyamador]

Contraception, Why Not?
By Fr. Matthew Habiger
(Please pass to your friends)

Today, many couples use some form of birth control. Most unmarried couples who have
intercourse use birth control. But no contraceptive is foolproof, abortion is simply the
extension of failed contraception. We know too, that the contraceptive pills are in fact
often abortifacient. Thus, the connection between contraception and abortion is
undeniable.

In order to contracept, couples do two things: 1) consciously intent to contracept; and
2) take definite measure, e.g., swallow pills, wear condoms, and so on, to prevent
conception. There are valid reasons for a couple to decide birth spacing, one is the
health of the mother. But the end does not justify the means. There is a world of
difference between contraception and Natural Family Planning (NFP). NFP is morally
acceptable because it fully respects the dignity of the persons and the sacredness of
the marital act. Morality applies to everyone and to every sphere of human activity.

Morality deals with human choices and human acts. Choosing to do wrong involves sin.
To sin means that we intend to do evil. Sin is more than making a mistake, like adding
numbers incorrectly. Sin is not "getting caught" for a crime but, rather, the willingness
to commit a wicked deed. Sin involves God. If there were no God, we would not speak
of sin but rather of mistakes, poor judgment, lack of prudence and expediency. When
we sin we deliberately choose to act against God's moral law.

There are two essential meanings of the marital act: the unitive (love-giving) and the
procreative (life-giving). God is the Author of all life and all love. If we want to express
our sexuality authentically, honestly and humanly, then we will do so according to God's
plan.\par True love requires the total gift of self. Lust implies that we are determined to
obtain what we want when we want it. But love means we can express our sexual
passions in a manner that seeks union, reverences and desires the well-being of the
beloved, and embraces a willingness to lay down one's very life if necessary. Contraception
goes wrong in many directions. It is wrong because:

• It is a serious evil with disastrous consequences.
• It breaks the intrinsic connection between the unitive and procreative dimensions
  of the marital act.
• It considers the periodic abstinence required by NFP to be harmful to marriage and
  sexual urge to be virtuous.
• It regards self-sacrifice as a nuisance.
• It elevates the pursuit of pleasure to the highest principle of marriage, disparaging
  self -discipline and self-denial.
• It reduces the beloved to an object, a ready source of pleasure.
• It attacks fertility as unhealthful, seeing illness where there is none.
• It abuses medicine and the medical profession. It leads directly to abortion; in fact,
  we have noted, much of so called contraception involves very early abortion, e.g.,
  Pill, IUD, Norplant and Depo-Provera.
• It says to God: You are not the Lord of life in our marriage, and we will not collaborate
  with You in bringing new children into Your kingdom.
• It sets a horrible example for youth, who logically ask why they cannot enjoy sterile ***
  if adults can.
• It legitimizes other sterile acts such as homosexual and other perversions.

Contraception is truly an attack on marriage and on family life, leading to moral decay of an entire society.

(Source: Fr. Matthew Habiger OSB, PhD, Human Life International, Jan. 1993)

For more information, e-mail
Pharmacists for Life bpharm@ozemail.com.au

[gareb]

i was under the impression that this thread was finished. hmmm... i guess i was wrong.

oh well, it seems that the United Nations Population Fund does not agree that overpopulation is a 'myth'.

please do take some time to read their release,"State of the World Population 2004".

[tolstoi]

there's something wrong with your link bai gareb..maybe they already change their mind and had concured that overpopulation as the cause of poverty is a MYTH after all

[mannyamador]

China Population Control Workers Arrested Over
Forced Abortions

Linyi, China (LifeNews.com) -- Several Chinese population control officials in Linyi have been arrested
or fired after reports surfaced that they were involved in forced abortions and sterilizations. The
surprising actions came after a local advocate who exposed the problems was detained under house
arrest for 30 hours. An official Chinese media outlet reports that the abuses were taking place in the
eastern province of Shandong. Chen Guangcheng, the detained activist, told Time magazine in an
interview before the arrest that 7,000 area people had been sterilized against their will. China's National
Population and Family Planning Commission said it had received "successive complaints" about the
sterilizations and abortions in Linyi, a city of 10 million people 400 miles southeast of Beijing. "Some
persons concerned in a few counties and townships of Linyi did commit practices that violated law and
infringed upon legitimate rights and interests of citizens while conducting family planning work," the
commission said in a statement. Yu Xuejun, NPFPC spokesman, said "Initial investigation indicates illegal
family planning practices that violate people's legal rights and interests do exist." "Those who are
responsible have been dismissed from duty. Some are under investigation, some in detention. Further
measures will be taken by government departments concerned according to legal competence and
procedure," he said.

[mannyamador]

oh well, it seems that the United Nations Population Fund does not agree that overpopulation is a 'myth'.

You mean the same cretins who push pop control without looking at what the UN Population Division has to say?

The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing!!! Typical.

[gareb]

more cretinous are those people who only see one side of the report; the low variant side. pretty stupid to say that they are at each other's throats when they actually are presenting the same report, but focus on two widely differing scenarios based on either a fertility rate of 1.6 or 2.6 children per woman. or perhaps in their hysterics they fail to read it...

distorting reports and presenting only one side of the problem eh? typical.

better actually read the report first before commenting.