are we all sinners ??

[Tirong-say]

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"There is no sin. It is you who make sin exist..."

-Gospel of Mary Magdalene 7:13-14

Yeah, if there is no human beings sins will not exist as well......

[yagit]

i have yet to meet a person who haven't sinned.. that should be interesting.

[AmorsoloX]

So the Nazis were justified in killing the Jews because it served their interests better, and the people behind the Massacre in Maguindanao were justified in killing the 57 people because it served their interests better, and rapists are justified in raping women because it served their interests better?

That's a very disturbing view that you hold. How is that different from the views held by the Nazis, the perpetrators of the Maguindanao massacre, rapists and other criminals?

There's also one thing that I don't understand. Is the view that morality is subjective and relative held by all atheists? Because atheists often bring up the issue of the problem of evil whenever there's a new calamity or tragedy, like the earthquake in Haiti. Oftentimes, too, atheists say that there is so much evil in the Old Testament, like they would say that God commanded genocide, etc. They also occasionally mention the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the witch hunts. How can that be when according to your view there is no such thing as right and wrong, good and evil? Can you also respond to that?

on the first paragraph, yes.. because it served their interests better... and to continue that,, there are people who stopped them because it served thier best interest to stop those guys from killing others... its in the best interest of the robber to steal, and it is also in the best interest of the police to prevent crime.. its just a matter of conflicts of interests..

on the second paragraph.. hmm.. i dont think thats how those guys think... if i were hitler.. i wouldnt see any point in killing the jews.. i prefer making them slaves and working the to death.. thats more productive.. regarding maguindanao.. if i wer ampatuan.. i should have given the victims police escort.. so that there will be no blame placed on me... those guys are just merely acting on impulse... without much thinking and deliberations.. a wise person would know when, how, and where to inflict necessary "evil"..

i quite dont understand your third paragraph.. if i was not mistaken.. it was a preacher who claimed that their was too much evil in haiti so god sent an earthquake... regarding god commanding genocide, its in your bible.. kindly look for it... i personally have nothing against genocide or saving them.. if they dont serve my interests. in has nothing to do with me..

the crusades,jihad, inquisition, witch hunts, are nothing more than political events but covered up by religion.. there is no such thing as absolute righteousness.. only self-righteousness... biased perspectives..

[chad_tukes]

i believe morality is subjective. who are we to say killing a pig is right? who are we to say killing another person is wrong? we cannot say a murder of a pig is wrong because we consume the meat. much like to say as we cannot say that killing a person is right either, because that is a conscious being with a "soul" as what many of you admit. what's the difference with the two? the difference is that we can "benefit" from the former and "sin" with the latter. who invented "sin"?

[Tirong-say]

i believe morality is subjective. who are we to say killing a pig is right? who are we to say killing another person is wrong? we cannot say a murder of a pig is wrong because we consume the meat. much like to say as we cannot say that killing a person is right either, because that is a conscious being with a "soul" as what many of you admit. what's the difference with the two? the difference is that we can "benefit" from the former and "sin" with the latter. who invented "sin"?

Does a man equate to a pig?, How valuable is man's life then?

[chad_tukes]

Does a man equate to a pig?, How valuable is man's life then?

that exactly is the point i'm making, sir.

[treize]

i believe morality is subjective. who are we to say killing a pig is right? who are we to say killing another person is wrong? we cannot say a murder of a pig is wrong because we consume the meat. much like to say as we cannot say that killing a person is right either, because that is a conscious being with a "soul" as what many of you admit. what's the difference with the two? the difference is that we can "benefit" from the former and "sin" with the latter. who invented "sin"?

then if someone murders your family then we cannot say that that person is wrong or have sinned right? since morality is subjective...

[chad_tukes]

then if someone murders your family then we cannot say that that person is wrong or have sinned right? since morality is subjective...

We? you take away the subjectivity of morality if you use the word "we". "we" pertains to the general populace therefore, you are not referring to an individual capable of seeing what is RIGHT or WRONG to him, but rather, you're setting a definition of what is right or wrong based on what is acceptable or not. that is objective morality, not subjective. of course, murdering another individual is wrong---but that doesn't mean it's wrong for each individual, whether we like it or not.

ever heard of Jim Jones?

[anjerika]

.. that simple question .. are we all sinners ??



.. is there an absolute definition of RIGHT and WRONG ??


.. in the case of war .. let's talk locally, the MILF in mindanao, they are fighting for what they believe is right because the government is corrupt and they should stand up to their right. But on the other hand, here's the military who is protecting the government. Which is right amongst them ??

MILF wants an independent Mindanao apart from Philippines that's why until now the war is on. not that the government is corrupt maong makig-away sila. if so, why will they attack civilians too? most especially non-muslims. i had one of my relatives killed because of ambush. they should have focused in Metro Manila too, coz that's where the seat of the national government is.


the MILF wants an independent Muslim nation. mao di nila hilabtan ang mga muslim, ang mga non-Muslim pamatyon. before a war is raged in mindanao there is always a warning sa mga fellow muslims para safe sila.



regarding the forum topic, yes, we are all sinners. we all fall short in the eyes of God, or kung wa man gani ka nagtuo og God, we fall short of the law. like for example as simple as jaywalking. the city has put up ordinances nga adto jud sa mga saktong dapit mutabok, but for convenience mag jaywalk jud. edi naka sala na ka. rules are set for peace and order.

[cptn_star]

We? you take away the subjectivity of morality if you use the word "we". "we" pertains to the general populace therefore, you are not referring to an individual capable of seeing what is RIGHT or WRONG to him, but rather, you're setting a definition of what is right or wrong based on what is acceptable or not. that is objective morality, not subjective. of course, murdering another individual is wrong---but that doesn't mean it's wrong for each individual, whether we like it or not.

ever heard of Jim Jones?

jim jones? one of the most stupid cult leaders of all time who lead 900 people to commit suicide...