On Tithes and Offerings...

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@rcruman
bro wala pako naka read ana, or naka limut lang ko, hehe....maayo ba gyud na bro nga muhatag ta ug 10% share sa church?

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@rcruman
maayo ning imo bro kay daghan ka nahibalo.an nga verses sa bible, cge bro i share kuno na sa amo, then mo set tingali ko ug time aron maka visit ko sa inyong center, cge man ko tan.aw sa tv kang brod eli bro, ganahan nako nga portion kanang "Biblia ang sasagot, Itanong mo kay Soriano". kana bro.

[lomhanz]

sakto gyud ani si bro rcruman. muhatag ta in accordance to our financial situation also and of course ang gi ingon ni bro rcruman, of your heart.

praktikal sad ta usahay oi, kay dinhi baya sa ato daghan kaayong nangayo ug bahin sa atong sweldo. dako kaayo ta ug gross income, nya ang net pwerting gamaya.. praktikal ta, must and needs must be indentified properly.

Offerings doesn't always come in monetary form, agree?

agree nalang...

PEACE

[xyberblue]

Ok rana bro bsta kinasing kasing. Wala manay pugsanay any amount or thing will do, just think lang na it's better to give than to receive. I remember when my sis offer his 10% of what's left on her money at that time she's in church. Iya ra gibaliwala ang kadako sa amount na iya gioffer bsta kinasingkasing siya na ni offer. Then you know what? Unexpected thing came which more than 10% ang nibalik niya, kay on the same day, naay ni order namo na ang profit is worth 5X of 10% of what she offered for the church.

[pijavier]

So if we are gentiles, that means the Word of God is not for us?

If God came to the jews first then to the Gentiles second, then di ba mo apply rasad nga mag tithes sila mga jews and kita mag tithes sad mga gentiles.... can you clarify rcruman

[pijavier]

sakto, as long as its from the heart.

any other personal views guys?

[rcruman]

@rcruman
bro wala pako naka read ana, or naka limut lang ko, hehe....maayo ba gyud na bro nga muhatag ta ug 10% share sa church?

dili kay ang tithes/ika-pu/10% kay for the tribes of LEVI to collect (israelites).

5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Hebrews 7:5

and in Christian era it should be according to our heart:
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
2Corinthians 9:7

and in the bible before you give/communicate you should do something first:
16 But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
Hebrews 13:16

so we must do good first before giving, pero sa uban kay bahalag drug lord paka, gambling lord, rapist, corrupt, kawatan, iresponsabli kay dawaton imo kwarta basta kay gihatag nimo bahalag asa gikan (kwarta na gud).
Kamo bro try to assess your church/congregation kung gidawat ba gihapon ang abuloy/tithes/donation sa mga kauban ninyo nga kahibalo mo nga hugaw og trabaho or dili limpyo ang panginabuhi?

ang story about sa widow nga nihatag kay:

41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.
Mark 12:41-44

ang uban kay muhatag nya mangayo sa Ginoo nga padag-a ko sa sabong kay ako pun-an sunod hatag nako.(sounds funny pero tinuod kay sugarol kaayo ko sa una)

Peace!

[dartzed]

hehehe

x = variable;
10% varries to the exact amount;

tithes(10%) = offering = amount(of something);

amount = x;

therefore we conclude that Offerings/Tithes varries; so walay mgbuot ug pila imo ihatg.. sa imo abot...

offering from the dictionary states "to present something as an act of worship or devotion" therefore it is not exact...

[rcruman]

So if we are gentiles, that means the Word of God is not for us?

no its not like that:

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Ephesians 2:11-18

If God came to the jews first then to the Gentiles second, then di ba mo apply rasad nga mag tithes sila mga jews and kita mag tithes sad mga gentiles.... can you clarify rcruman

ingon ana unta kung wala usba pero giusab man ni Christ og wala niya gipatuman ang TITHES.
Here read this conversation of Christ with the scribes.

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Matthew 23:23-24

in these verses scribes and Pharisees focus on collecting tithes and Christ don't like it.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:7

Peace!

[rcruman]

hehehe

x = variable;
10% varries to the exact amount;

tithes(10%) = offering = amount(of something);

amount = x;

therefore we conclude that Offerings/Tithes varries; so walay mgbuot ug pila imo ihatg.. sa imo abot...

offering from the dictionary states "to present something as an act of worship or devotion" therefore it is not exact...

"we"? ikaw ra conclude nga walay magbuot ug pila ang ihatag, kaklaro ana nga automatic 10% kuha dayon sa imo income, be kung dili kahatag sa 10% unsa may ingon sa inyo leader?
Dili ba hadlukon nga nangawat mo sa Ginoo? pero kung sobra sa 10% ang ihatag mureklamo ba sila?

Kung income ka 30,000 monthly pila imo hatag? diba 3000? dili ba na pagbuot sa imo ihatag?

Peace1