Who made the BIG BANG - a creator or physics??

[redline]

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well redline di man ta bayot na mo lain og sabot . but i jus plainly dont believe in any religion and not anti-religion. otherwise known as athiest(its not a religion its a synonim to a person who doesnt belive n a god). but i do respect them christans. what about you?

one guru(doctor of quantum healing - Deepak Chopra - a new wave icon) try search for him on youtube.

said:
religion is obsolete,
there's no such thing as sin.
what is a god, there's no god.
what is your purpouse? what do you want?

but like him. jesus teaching is no different than allah its wisdom. but their not god , just great teacher. 1 teacher who doesnt claim as god - budha - has also great teaching for me greater than the others. so as many pagans and greek gods , its all the same message. and atheist doesnt have to any religion to aply such common teachings.

if u'd like to know i was a catholic before. gikapoy man ko ug lohod lingkod. i change to mormon , then they want me to go on a mission for 2years teaching bible.) the hell with u guys. kay god's will kuno. Hilig pajud tag science sukad pag kabate , idecided not to believe on a god by 19.

mao ba brad ill respect ur way of life brad.. ako brad ky christian ko brad pro dli ko religious nga tao brad. my principle in life basta dli lang ka katamak og pasakit og tao. sa ako lng ha ky ang religion dli mn mka luwas sa imo spirit its about how u doing good here on earth. ky every religion usa ra mn ang root g-teach ky LOVE ra mn. pero brad i love science so much...

[Kenshiro]

If dili mo moto-o ug theory mas dili katuohan ang god (no evidence nor theory)

at least with theory u may want to believe it or not there's a complete speculations and pattern's can be found . It's also

the widely accepted truth.

bigbang = first life = dinosaurs = mamals = ape = man - it may not be proven , but obviously theres nothing else to

believe. It makes us grateful to dicover such amazing things and with science to grow itself to the point in the future when we ourselves will become gods.

the universe is a creation it self but not with a god that has sins evil and heaven. but a supreme power that governs its law .

one of the things i heard is that after the big bang matter and enrgy spread far and wide.. but millions and billions of years. these particles wil stop moving becaus of gravity. so another timespan all this matters, galxies will jive again together to form another big big big ball of matter. with heat and energy this will again create another big bang . so this process is infinite.

at least with theory u may want to believe it or not there's a complete speculations and pattern's can be found . It's also

the widely accepted truth.

patterns such as what?
to illustrate the pattern you show

Get a ballon and pop it with a pin - supposedly the Big bang right? Does the molecules that is contained in the balloon form a swirling mass like galaxies? Nope. The pattern of the Big Bang would be splattered everywhere to an infinite amount of space.
gravity is unexplained in your statement you just included it for convenient purposes. And who put gravity in the equation anyway.

The strongest gravitational mass known in the universe are known as black holes. New discovery even indicates that the center of some galaxies is a super black hole or black hole. How strong the gravity of a super black hole is enough to hold entire galaxy in its orbit. Even light cannot escape from a black hole's gravity.

Now the question you said that gravity is what caused the Bigbang. then why doesn't super black holes with its immense gravitational force by which no other gravitational force is know to be greater than these does not ignite another Big bang again? to add The Center of a galaxy unimmaginably dense and massive this would be a perfect condition and scenario for a big bang why does not ignite a big bang? There should be at least discoveries of mini big bang happening with other galaxies. TO date there has been no such discoveries. The universe has a random pattern I haven't heard of any single star colliding with each other maybe it does happen but what happens is that they would merge or the other star would consume the inferior star just like when a black hole consumes the star. Supposedly when a star clashes with each other this should ignite a big bang right? Nope. what happens is one would consume the other.

Another example
when a star is extremely large or so massive as its gravitational force known to be as proportional to its mass even when itself becomes so massive its own gravitational force would consume itself. Supposedly this would be a perfect big-bang scenario right? But does it ignite into a big bang considering your gravitational theory caused this Big Bang? Nope it becomes a black hole.

so we should be thankful to scientist who made such discoveries without it we are plain ignorant as apes and a cockcroach. But with this revolutionary times such people has fear , the fear of change alone. it too hard for them to accept that they are wrong.
They would do anything to counter such hard proven facts, like Darwin, Galileo who said that we r revolving rond the sun, not the sun revolving us . so they would like to kill this guys.But as hundreds of years will past by. Thy ignorance shal wither away,. atheist r now growing exponetially this alone gives panic to religion for thy power over others shall be cast away to hell.

LONG LIVE SCIENCE... die obsolete religion . lol

And also stop bashing Christianity since these statements are ad hominem arguments.

Also you can use the edit function in your post to correct your grammatical errors.

[kebot]

brad sagdi lang na cromag oi, bata pana og otok(wa ko ingon bata edad ha! hehehe)... just let him live the way he wants, give him the exception, we will just try to understand him cya raman pod... dont bother reading his posts. You will have more questions than answers.. hahaha

[cromagnon]

I may be right or wrong bout physics as long as ur talikng in scientific ways eitherway(which is very vast),whether sayop ba ang e=mc2 as long as its all about hard fact and not fantasy i would still love it. cus my point was kumingking ra ang religion sa science.

my apologies bout ad hominem arguments(new vocabulary n i dont think gramar is niecesary) on religion. I was just trying to predict the future between science and the extinction of religion.

[cromagnon]

brad sagdi lang na cromag oi, bata pana og otok(wa ko ingon bata edad ha! hehehe)... just let him live the way he wants, give him the exception, we will just try to understand him cya raman pod... dont bother reading his posts. You will have more questions than answers.. hahaha

Well as again dont try to be insecure lagi. Im not mentioning ur name na gane nor argue with u . Mag BINAYOT nsad ka. Mura man kag parokyano na hilabtanon.] Ayaw pa-ila sa imong pagka tao gud.

just as said , no TRASH talk ok. my gooooooooooooodness

[redline]

as my advice ha.. respect one another lng ta.. whoever or whatever ta our life here on earth is limited.. mangamatay ra gihapon ta.. walay immortal na2 dri og tanan dri sa kalibotan wlay permanenti. kng sa religion pa gikan ta sa ash padung ta sa ash. og kng sa science pa circle of life ra gihapon kaonan ra gihapon atong lawas sa worms inigkamatay.. so, mentras buhi pta dri live life do something mga mka lipay nmu og mkalipay sa uban. ang root of all is LOVE one another..

PEACE all!!!

[munzter666]

kebz,

you forgot one important detail.

SCIENCE doesnt require you to have FAITH.

religion does.

My point is, if you believe that is true, then think again because its not absolute...

for the second time, science does not deal with ABSOLUTES. they offer PROVISIONAL truths. which mean they are OPEN for revisions and changes when new evidences are presented. and that is not a bad thing. big bang stands cause there is no other BETTER alternative. hey, did they even bother teaching you with the other THEORIES aside from big bang? there was the steady state and others.

compare that one with mud pie magic your dogmatic crew indoctrinated you with. take it with FAITH. no evidence need nor proof.

[cromagnon]

[quote=munzter666;4954464]kebz,

you forgot one important detail.

SCIENCE doesnt require you to have FAITH.

it doesn require but they jus choose to have it. bec without it you wont accomplish nothing. when Edison made the light bulb,. it took him 5,000x . using the faith he have that its posible/

[Hellblazer 2.1]

it doesn't matter who/what made the big bang, basta the universe is expanding. evolving.

[munzter666]

it doesn require but they jus choose to have it. bec without it you wont accomplish nothing. when Edison made the light bulb,. it took him 5,000x . using the faith he have that its posible/

sure he had faith, but that didn't cloud his OBJECTIVITY.

i'm sure you learned the most basic tool/protocol...its called the scientific method.

even if you have enough faith, like a SACK of mustard seeds huge that it would come out OK. if results are crappy, then back to the drawing board even if it took him 5,000 takes.

here's a clear cut comparison regarding faith and science.