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  1. #161

    Thinkerbelle

    There are two types of foreign investors:
    1. exploitative (EPZA, call center) who come here bec of our low wages (we are the best brain their low wages can buy)

    2. non-explotative (for lack of better term) like Jolibee going to US and San Miguel going to Hong kong.

    sure the first type will leave the country in hyperwage. but the second type will come..


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    Quote Originally Posted by thinkerbelle View Post
    interesting topic..una poverty cannot be solve or stop yet can be minimized and redefined.dri sa pinas poverty means earning less than $2/day, in industrialized countries it simply means u can't afford to buy luxury car,multi-million homes etc.

    hyperwage theory,sounds good but we simply not in position to adapt such system.our economy is very much in the mercy of foreign investors like most SEasian countries.if government impose high wage mu-atras mga investors,remember mo few months ago nag-wage hike ta foreign employers angal dayon kay we are the highest wage earner na daw in the region nya threat dayon na mapugos sila pull-out.government wage will not do sab,simply na our government budget cannot support it.

    mka-adapt lng ta ini if una our country will be free from external debt kay mao jud nay gakaon sa atong income and same time crippling our economic growth. since nagaid atong nasud sa utang sa international community itoy2x lng jud ta sa ila mga demands kay reliant man kau ta nila.most sa ato industry gi-dominate sa foreign capitalists.government funded projects utang sab nah clouded with all sorts of hocus pocus..sa part sa government,unclear kau ila plan how to propel our economy,to provide basic services,implement law & order and incapable to unite our country.sa citizen side sab,we are simply uncooperative.maybe due to lack of information or simply lack of interest.kalabanan sab nato irresponsable.let's talk of corruption,tama to isa ka istoryan dri who said na its the petty corruption that jeopardise the whole situation.but why is there petty corruption anyway? its simply because ato sab nang gina-tolerate.ex lang mu-claim ta ug NBI clearance,nganong mubayad man ta ug inside fixer para ma-hassle free ta? simpleng bagay lang nah siguro but look at the impact of such action.wla ra ni sa kumingking sa real corruption that's going on but it all started from this simple favor di bah? Pinoy are not hardworking people,c'mon let's face it ,no offense hah but this is a shameful truth as a society tamaran ta na mga tawo tapos kinaiya na nato ang pagkasuyaan nya materialistic pa jud. ayaw mo kasuko hah usahay sakit jud ipanawong sa ato ang kamatuoran.y i said tamaran ta? lantawa lng gud nang atong palibot gubot na hugaw pa,ngano man? kay dli man ta ganahan mulihok na wlay sweldo,nya kinsa may mu-sweldo nimo kun kaugalingon nimong balay ug tugkaran imo limpyuhan? kining mga tawong wlay trabaho kusod kau mangita alibi nganong muhimo sila ug krimen.jobless but kusog kau mutungga ngadto sa kanto,kada-adlaw hubog.magpatawg ang barangay ug meeting dli mu-attend if wla libre snacks or incentive.proud kau ta sa atong "bayanihan spirit" but i wonder lng naa bya gyud ta anah? murag kalabanan man nko mkita suya2x system man.if kita tang ni-asenso atong silingan pangitaan dayon ug sayop nya i-chismis dayon samot pa magmaoy-maoy dayon.materialistic? yes,most of us buy things not because we need it.ex lang ang celfone,do we really need it? or is it just peer pressure that drives us to have one? kining mga electronic gadgets,appliances,vehicle.nothing wrong to have these things kana if u can afford them w/o drowning urself in debt. now,ask urself what will you do once ul earn big? im sure a lot wud say i will buy a nice place in a high-end condo community,buy a car,get the best audio-video system,etc...naa kaha mkahunahuna ug engaging in business na mka-provide job sa ako mga silingan or set up ug foundation to provide free education or say set up centers or institution for intellectuals...of course daghan jud mu-favor sa former,after all its my hard earned money so dapat ako lng i-enjoy..mao ra sab ni sa mga government officials,dli lalim mugasto minilyon during election mao once seated na mubawi jud sila sa gasto with multiple% interest pa...lisod kau noh? it all goes down to every individual,naa ra nato if we want to better our condition...as for me,i keep on encouraging people around me to discover their potential in venturing to business..most of them say na we are hopeless, then hopeless jud ang usa ka tawo kay bisan ambition wla cya.positive thinker people influence as many as u can so ul spread positive energy sa nyo community.sa mga tawong feeling hopeless and negative thinker,try to open ur mind to possibilities opportunities might just be around you.and one simple thing sab na mahimo nato is to respect and love our country,it is our identity the only place we can call home bisan unsa pa kagubot.sa katong wla pa ka-experience mu-abroad ma-realize ra nah ninyo once ma-foreigner unya mo in one's country.try lng gud mo google forums how the world see us Filipinos, basi mka-spark diay nah sa inyo national pride. MABUHAY! kapayapaan.

  2. #162
    al1974,
    what industries/sectors have your worked in
    what is you educational discipline

    and why are you convinced Hyperwage will HELP rather than DESTROY your sector?

    have you reached supervisory or mgr level?



    Quote Originally Posted by al1974 View Post
    Heyperwage theory says:


    But for now, let’s continue our survey of more ways by Hyperwage Theory elegantly handles non-economic problems.

    Rebellion
    The root of rebellion is injustice; the root of injustice is poverty. You solve poverty, you solve rebellion. No need for negotiation panels, no need for a strong army, no need for more armored trucks.

    Consider the current strategy of our government, how many billions spent over the last 30 years on a destructive war against our own people who only original sin was poverty?

    Think. If all those billions were released to the poorest of the poor in terms of minimum wage, and then subjected to the multiplier and accelerator effects, our economy will be in an upward spiral.

    This is the reason, I view our current strategy with the rebels as useless. The rebels are not even asking for P20,000 per month, but Hyperwage is giving it to them.
    Isn’t Hyperwage great?

    Employee forever?
    A bank manager does not want to be an employee forever. He is a prime candidate as an entrepreneur but he doesn’t have capital because his salary is just slightly above that of the domestic helper in Singapore, and all our equipments are purchased from Singapore and Taiwan and Hong Kong or Europe, all hyperwage countries, how can he start this own business?

    With Hyperwage, many middle managers will be able to save enough capital to pursue his own business dreams.

    Currently, you have to wait till you are 65 years old to retire and use your pension funds to start your own business. The prime of your productivity has long since elapsed.

    Export quality
    One furniture exporter told me his business will close down under Hyperwage. Of course, not. Right now, his export quality products are affordable only by the First World countries.

    Given Hyperwage, the domestic market will be as powerful as the export market. Does Intel or Microsoft export abroad to survive? No, they became successful in their own domestic markets.

    Why can’t it be the same for the furniture industry?

    Shift your minds. Don’t look at the expense side, look at the revenue side. You can increase both your volumes and your prices under a Hyperwage regime.

    And another non-economic benefit, our homes will have high quality furniture, unlike the current cheap ones we have.

    Hyperwage will build and expand not destroy the cottage industries and any other industry for that matter.

    All these benefits and above in just one single stroke. Give the worker their true value of labor based on world standards. Isn’t Hyperwage elegant?

    Medical care
    It costs about P5,000 for a normal delivery in hyperwage Hong Kong but about P50,000 here in this country? Why? I don’t know.

    The Hong Kong government has so much money from the taxes of the people who are paid at hyperwage salaries, and no corruption, such that they can subsidize medical care for the general public.

    And did I tell you their public hospitals look like four-star hotels?
    And for those who want private hospitals they can enroll for medical insurance, which they can afford because they have hyperwage salaries. Can you imagine our own country’s insurance industry boom under hyperwage?

    Our medicines are inordinately expensive compared to our incomes because they are invented and copyrighted and priced based on the pharma firm’s hyperwage costs. We are paying for these hyperwage-priced medical products (NMR machines, X-rays) using our Third World wages, isn’t this bad economic strategy?

    Public services
    I have written some time ago the time when one Christmas I entered the newly opened Hong Kong central library. I actually wept. I did not cry. I wept. It’s like a five-star hotel, with wall to wall carpeting, elevators, escalators, and interior decoration. Internet plug points are free if you bring your laptop or you can use their computers. The books are hardbound glossy book paper. Only the novels are paperbacks.

    Our people deserve such high quality of service as much as these Hongkongers do.

    With an economically empowered public, we will demand world-class service after all we will be paying world-class taxes too. In Hong Kong, income tax is maxed at only 15% even if you earn $1 billion.

    Political enrichment
    Actually, if you still don’t realize it, we are partially in Hyperwage status but only for the politicians with their travel expenses and huge allowances and kickbacks from the projects.

    This is grossly unfair, and the only way I see to correct this situation is to slice some of those extremely egregious allowances and give it back to the people in terms of high wages.

    Vote buying
    Speaking of politics, why do well our votes for a kilo of rice, or even for P500? Are we that poor such that we are willing to sell our political souls to the highest bidder?
    How are we addressing this issue?

    I think only Hyperwage will solve this problem realistically. Yes, realistically. An economically empowered people are usually morally upright people.
    I have to go now. More non-economic solutions next time. chool.

  3. #163
    education. the government should improve the educational system in the country and by increasing the appropriations for education in the national budget. IMO

  4. #164
    stop the patchwork... start from the ground up.
    in a system that rewards competition... dili mawala ang corruption.

  5. #165
    - There's no such term as GEOTHERIUM.
    - We cant kill.
    - We have no money to develop deuterium
    - Church interference is not a major economic factor of our poverty
    - Your last point, I completely agree, and that is called Hyperwage Theory



    Quote Originally Posted by melvenb View Post
    1. Kill all corrupt people in the government, from Top to Bottom.. Convicting them is not enough coz they can be paroled and go back to their service again. Corruption can lead to a lot of negative things to a country, directly and indirectly.

    2. Utilize and invest on developing all our natural resources especially our geothermal, solar and wind resources and other yet to be discoverd resources like Geotherium ((in case you dont know, this is a very good fuel and perhaps the future fuel which is available in Philippines, particularly in Palawan)) . Thus, we wont have any problems with power. Huge sources of electric energy can be use convert water to hydorgen through electrolysis. We can replace petroleum products with hydrogen which is more environment friendly. With this, we wont have to rely on expensive imported fuel in which the government is benefiting a lot .

    3. Prevent the Religious Communities from "too much" interference with the governtment. Although a lot of people would disagree, but it's a fact that the Religious Communities in our country are sometimes hindrance to our growth and development. One good example is family planning. Religious Communities, (particularly Roman Catholic) dont agree with modern method of family planning which is one of the major causes of the rapid increase of population. Too large population means too much responsibilty for the government.

    4. PAY ALL THE PROFESSIONALS WITH COMPETITIVE SALARIES SO THAT WE WONT GO ABROAD!!. Only few skilled people are left in the Philippines because most of the talented and skilled ones go abroad.

    .. og daghan pa, kapoy nalng og type..

  6. #166
    Just in case you have not worked and lived abroad, Filipinos are overeducated. We are the only teachers who work as maids in Taiwan, thats how overeducated we are.

    Education is not the solution. Giving reasonable world-market wages is the answer.



    Quote Originally Posted by tools4kools View Post
    education. the government should improve the educational system in the country and by increasing the appropriations for education in the national budget. IMO

  7. #167
    From the ground up. The solution is not complex but you have identify which one. It is giving purchasing power to the lowest worker, in our society these are the maids.

    The rest will have to adjust to avoid the so-called wage distortion.


    Quote Originally Posted by grovestreet View Post
    stop the patchwork... start from the ground up.
    in a system that rewards competition... dili mawala ang corruption.

  8. #168
    GMA is a traditional economist and there's not solution for poverty in traditional economics. That is why Hyperwage Theory is a revolutionary theory. It simply highlights the fact that all countries that treat its workers with decency (giving them good wages compared to the other countries in the world) are prosperous countries. Hyperwage countries become First World countries.


    Quote Originally Posted by shaxyra View Post
    gma-an economist tried to solve it but she she failed
    erap-a representative from the masa also tried.. but it got worst..


    all the past presidents tried pero wa jd.. poverty is inevitable.. and for me poverty is not a choice but a consequence.. tnawa sad na ang officials oi na naa sa pwesto...

    man bt nature is insatiable.. always jud na mangita ug more..

    haayy...

  9. #169
    95% of the Filipinos are moral and with self discipline, so why are we still poor> The problem is economic, the solution is economic. thats whta the Hyperwage Theory emphasizes

    Quote Originally Posted by cool View Post
    MORAL VALUES AND SHELF DICIPLIN

  10. #170
    The rich will never do it on their own. The duty of govt is to protect the weak,. with hYperwage .it must be by law.


    Quote Originally Posted by foxtrot View Post
    Sharing...

    The rich in the Philippines can do a lot to help alleviate the deplorable condition of the poorest of the poor of our society...

    plowing back a portion of their profits to the needy by opening job opportunities to most of our citizen who are unemployed, giving them a chance to live a decent life ...

    by not resisting and circumventing the genuine spirit of CARP ...

    by resisting the temptation of gaining political power just to safeguard their family businesses ...

    by not trampling on the human rights of the poor ...

    There are a lot of things the rich can do ... to prove wrong the religious adage that says ... " It is easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. "

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