The Church is responsible for over population in the Phils.

[glenn]

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dear houndedbyheaven: thanks for your comments............I dont intend to condemn the statement go "forht and multiply" because it is biblically written...I'll just want to emphasize that there are people who take it literally, but we have to digest the practical side of that statement.......couples should inculcate in their mind that having offspring carries a greater responsibility...................just the same responsibility while you are deciding to get marry............

thanks for replying.........................

[shoeless_rebel]

haaaayyy... fanatics.

[dacs]

i dont think the church has anything to do with it but i know for sure the church is not trying to do anything about it...

Sure?! Are you reading nothing but materials that say only things unfavorable to the Catholic Church? Do you know about the Church teaching on chastity and abstinence? How about the Church teaching on responsibility and accountability for your every act?

You seem to turn a blind eye to these things. Face the issue like a rational and logical adult you should be. Get all the information you can from both sides. You have become subservient to a particular train of thought. Beware lest you lose more than your objectivity. (Is that another negative re-enforcement -- behavioural queues burnt into the psyche by fear of punishment?)

[HoundedbyHeaven]

Check this article out some hard-hitting insight on how the Catholic Church has really impacted our prospects of someday becoming a prosperous society.

In Matthew 4:8-10, we read:

Again the devil took him up into a very high mountain, and shewed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them, And said to him: All these will I give thee, if falling down thou wilt adore me. Then Jesus saith to him: Begone, Satan: for it is written, The Lord thy God shalt thou adore, and him only shalt thou serve.

Peace, so be it.

[benign0]

Then, schools should be abolished. Why should anyone be graded? Why should we have the fear of failing and/or an anticipation of commencing a new phase in life with flying colors? Why should we not simply appreciate every personal fulfillment?

Go further. Why should we have laws to limit our movements, our desires?

Tsk tsk.

Apples to oranges, dude. The Philippines is a prime example of a society full of laws that are not complied to anyway. So even if there are laws, their observance is still up to the quality of of individuals and the society as a whole.

My assertion refers to how the church presents itself -- just another enforcer of laws rather than a guiding beacon for personal fulfilment. Of course other practicioners of the Christian faith - particularly people who are truly spiritual have the brains and the maturity to put Church dogma in its proper context. The problem is, most Pinoys have neither brains nor maturity. Which is why the Church is so powerful in backward societies -- because it thrives on ignorance and illiteracy.

Really, a spiritual wreck you say? Should we now demand that De La Salle University, University of Santo Tomas, Ateneo de Manila University, University of San Carlos and other Catholic institution of learning be closed down because they are just producing a mediocre Filipino - unable to adopt and compete? Do the graduates of these institution amount to nothing?

As a matter of fact, the best minds in the land are Atenistas and -- to a lesser degree -- Lasallistas among others. The motto of Ateneans is in fact Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam -- "for the greater glory of God".

But do you truly believe that the superior achievements of these private school grads are attributable to their religious training? I don't think so. UP is a secular school and its grads are at a par and (most probably) superior to the grads of these other Catholic schools. These schools happen to churn out the best, simply because they are exclusive -- the rich, better educated, and less lead-poisoned of the land get first shot in enrolling in these institutions.

Go figure.

Unbelievable!

How blind can you get just to advance your agenda? The truth is right in front of you; yet, you keep denying it. The truth is that it is these Catholic institutions of learning which keeps your intellectuals afloat in the global sea of change. Where have you been living all these years?

I don't think I am the blind one around here, dude.

Your argument suffers from the fallacy of false analogy. Just because many of the best minds of the land are grads of Catholic schools does not necessarily mean that Catholicism is a strong contributor to superior thinking.

The Catholic Church has a strong track record of suppressing critical thought. It was largely responsible for the European Dark Ages (capped by its exemplary feat of suppression during the Inquisition). And to this day, it continues to spur the huddled masses to multiply like rabbits and pray rather than think their way out of aversity. To this day it bans books and suppresses free speech. Its continued meddling in politics and king making is a testament to the backwardness of Pinoy society.

Pinoys should think and be spiritual -- not pray and be religious.

There's a big difference there, dude, and if you can't see that difference, that's ok. After all, you and I belong to a society that can't even find its way out of a paper bag.





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[mannyamador]

My assertion refers to how the church presents itself -- just another enforcer of laws rather than a guiding beacon for personal fulfilment.

Huh? Where did you get that? Have you actually read the statements of the Church? These statements are how the Church presents itself. You seem ot be basing this sdtatement on what OTHER people say about the Church, and not the Church's statements and actions themselves

Which is why the Church is so powerful in backward societies -- because it thrives on ignorance and illiteracy.

That does not make sense. Why, then, is the Church working so hard to stamp out ignorance and illiteracy through its superior and widespread education services? If it thrives on such things, why should the Church try to get rid of what allegedly gives it power? That doesn't make sense at all! Obviously, you are simply mistaken. I suggest you try to see what the Church is REALLY doing instead of relying on rumors.

[mannyamador]

Over populatiuon, in its literal meaning, is an excessive population of an area to the point of overcrowding, depletion of natural resources, or environmental deterioration. Overpopulation is one of the determining factor why our country suffered in financial crisis. Now, the question is that how this overpopulation exist.

The REAL question is IF "overpopulation" even exists at all!

Below is the definition of "overpopulation" in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary (www.m-w.com)

Main Entry: over·pop·u·la·tion
Pronunciation: "O-v&r-"pä-py&-'lA-sh&n
Function: noun
: the condition of having a population so dense as to cause environmental deterioration, an impaired quality of life, or a population crash

You will see that clearly, for "overpopulation" to exist, high population density must CAUSE certain things. But study after study has already shown that the causes of these things in the Philippines (such as "environmental deterioration" and "impaired quality of life") are more related to poor governance, greed, and corruption. Population density hardly figures at all!

The question, therefore, involves a WRONG assumption. We are NOT overpopulated. We are exploited, subject to injustice, bad government and mismanagement, etc. But our population does NOT cause poverty, environmental disaster, etc.

Thus, we are NOT overpopulated.

[ron]

yup....i believe the church is responsible. they keep on disrupting any government initiative that aims to at least slow down the rapid population growth....say for example, the distribution of contraceptives and information campaign to the urban slumps which has been the leading cause of rapid population growth..yes yes abstinence is the best alternative which i do not dispute but c'mon it cant be the only solution.. we should also have plan B and C. what the catholic church has been doing is that they try interfere government affairs when it is very clear in the constitution that the church and state are separate....lets face it, not all filipinos are catholics...some are protestants, some are muslims and some are atheist.

[dacs]

Tsk tsk.

Apples to oranges, dude. The Philippines is a prime example of a society full of laws that are not complied to anyway. So even if there are laws, their observance is still up to the quality of of individuals and the society as a whole.

My assertion refers to how the church presents itself -- just another enforcer of laws rather than a guiding beacon for personal fulfilment. Of course other practicioners of the Christian faith - particularly people who are truly spiritual have the brains and the maturity to put Church dogma in its proper context. The problem is, most Pinoys have neither brains nor maturity. Which is why the Church is so powerful in backward societies -- because it thrives on ignorance and illiteracy.

You got it all wrong, dude. It is never the job of the Church to put man in a pedestal - making him the center of every endeavor. It is the job of the Church to point man to God - making God the center of all his endeavors. Ignorance and illiteracy? You never read real history, do you? The ones you read may probably be just those you want to accept. Ever heard of Thomas Aquinas? He was considered as the best mind of his times. Want more? I could enumerate more, but history are full with these Catholic intellectuals that I should not be telling you this fact. YOU should have known it.

As a matter of fact, the best minds in the land are Atenistas and -- to a lesser degree -- Lasallistas among others. The motto of Ateneans is in fact Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam -- "for the greater glory of God".

But do you truly believe that the superior achievements of these private school grads are attributable to their religious training? I don't think so. UP is a secular school and its grads are at a par and (most probably) superior to the grads of these other Catholic schools. These schools happen to churn out the best, simply because they are exclusive -- the rich, better educated, and less lead-poisoned of the land get first shot in enrolling in these institutions.

Boy! You do know how to poison the mind. What's with the 'lead-poisoned' stuff? It does nothing to your argument except to arouse a negative feeling from the reader. Focus your argument to the facts regarding the issue at hand.

By your statement, you do agree that Ateneo 'churn out the best'. Catholic education is expensive you say. That actually goes against you. Most professional Filipinos then are never educated in a Catholic manner.

Your argument suffers from the fallacy of false analogy. Just because many of the best minds of the land are grads of Catholic schools does not necessarily mean that Catholicism is a strong contributor to superior thinking.

Pray tell what would be your basis for this statement : One side of us clings to religious sacraments as a validation of our continued compliance to the black and white rules of our formal Catholic training and the other side gropes around for an alternate code ethics to deal with the real world of grey areas and a constant information deluge from other cultures. You should ask an Atenean or a Tomasian if his religious training has any signifance to him as a professional. Ask them if the Catholic code of ethics allowed them to navigate the 'real world' and still retain their sanity. False analogy?! Tsk.

The Catholic Church has a strong track record of suppressing critical thought. It was largely responsible for the European Dark Ages (capped by its exemplary feat of suppression during the Inquisition).

Be specific. What do you know as the reason behind the Dark Ages in Europe? Please cite reliable sources (because I will - in response). I wonder if you really knew what an inquisition is - or is it just another of your selective history?

And to this day, it continues to spur the huddled masses to multiply like rabbits and pray rather than think their way out of aversity. To this day it bans books and suppresses free speech. Its continued meddling in politics and king making is a testament to the backwardness of Pinoy society.

You're still in the Middle Ages. Come out of it. Provide specific to your accusations, and I'll answer them one by one.

Pinoys should think and be spiritual -- not pray and be religious.

There's a big difference there, dude, and if you can't see that difference, that's ok. After all, you and I belong to a society that can't even find its way out of a paper bag.

Just an advise : don't rely on innnuendos to incite your reader. That's a sign of a writer who lacks reliable data. He resort to stereo-typing and mud-slinging. Truth can be found. If found, it can set us free. Millions of Filipinos found the truth, and they are free - even if there are supposedly some who kept on spending their time on a paper bag.


'Mane nobiscum, Domine!' --- Stay with us, Lord!

[mannyamador]

...they keep on disrupting any government initiative that aims to at least slow down the rapid population growth....

That's because those government initiatives are a waste of time and use immoral means.

You're still ASSUMING that we are overpopulated. But you can't prove it, can you? You are merely assuming that poverty is caused by a large population. The economics depratment of UA&P already came out with a study that shows that poverty is NOT caused by "overpopulation". It is caused by BAD GOVERNANCE and CORRUPTION.