MERGED: Vigilantism and related issues

[PR0CESS0R]

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"Balaod sa Pilipinas alang lang sa mga KABUS"

Datu ma-priso, "Buhi-an" pero pobre ma priso, "Life Sentence"

Human Rights? Due process?

Pati Judge sa Cebu gitang-tang sa iyang position. Kana ba wala makaila ug balaod?

Sala ang pagpatay pero unsa may nabuhat sa Cebu City government ngadto sa mga criminal? Di ba kaha ang mga criminal nagbuhi sa mga government officials?

[PR0CESS0R]

double post, please delete...

[arnoldsa]

for BoyBastos, Ian_C and tolstoi

a factory owner reserves the right to close down an unprofitable factory even if it causes the loss of thousands of jobs. but if the workers commit an act of vandalism that causes the factory to close for a day, then they face criminal prosecution. in the same light, people who rally on the streets denouncing the city/national goverment of the lack os basic social services for the poor gets charged with disturbing the peace. presidentiables, senatoriables, mayoralty candidates do the exact same thing during the election period, and they get extensive police protection. clearly there is something wrong here.

OT: Let me get the logic here... A factory owner reserves the right to close an unprofitable factory simply because he owns it and it his right to do so... In the first place, he did not force his workers to come and work in his factory; moreover, they were even paid for their service... If he continues to open his unprofitable business, what else can he give to his workers? Wouldn't they also stage a rally if their demands of higher salary are not met just because his factory is not doing well?... Going back, they were not forced to work and they have the option to resign and find another one... With regard to the rallyist who rally on streets, they can rally all they want as long as they get permits to do so. And also as long as they are not seditious in their words. Senator Enrile was charged for his seditious words against President Arroyo during the so-called EDSA 3 though he went out on bail. As far as I can remember also, there was a time when Mayor Osmena disallowed FPJ's supporters from staging a campaign in Fuente Osmena simply because they failed to secure a permit...

GOING back to the main topic I really am not in favor of these vigilante killings because the main problem here is being mistaken as a criminal.. BUt if that's what they want, then they should rather go after those obvious BIG TIME DRUG LORDS and Syndicates. They're the biggest menace to society...

[gerard]

Sakto rna ilang g pang buhat arun hilom na and cebu... huzle na kayu na cla... mahadlok nagud ka maglakaw sa colon ug pier dapit basta naa kay nag butol na cell fone... abusado na kayu ning mga kawatan,...
IN KAYU KO ANI..... :8O:

[MelodyMan]

>they should rather go after those obvious BIG TIME DRUG LORDS and Syndicates. They're the biggest menace to society...

I like that. Pero di nila na buhaton kay ang uban diha part sa black market. kanang mga big-time diha basin mao pa na nag hatag sa kwarta para ibayad sa vigilants. Imposible kaau kung wala na sila kaila sa mga drug lords dire. parenti ra man gani na siguro or family friends.hahaha. pa ingon2x dayon nga lack of evidence.

Actually, kanang krimanals nga gipatay, victims ra man sad na sila sa poverty. Ka luy-an sad gamay. Bati lang jud kaau dire sa ato kay walay equal distribution of wealth. I heard that sa Japan, once ang head of the family (usually male), is earning much na, the wife does not have to work para tigaan ug chance tong uban to earn. Pero bisan asa naa jud crime. I've seen usa ka documentary sa t.v. about bin laden. And the narrator said that nowhere in the world is safe na. Kay bisan asa na diay nag laruy-laroy ang al-qaeda, japanese yakuza, american mafia ug uban pang syndicates.

Kani pud mga criminals dire sa Cebu, I think gi tagaan na ni sila ug chance nga mag bag-o kay labas-pasok sa jail naman daw ni? So unsa pa man kinahanglan nga di man pa too? angay ra sad diay nga patyon!!! Galing lang, pangawat & hold up ra man ilang kaso. I don't think kinahanglan na ug death. Siguro if nakapatay, di patyon sad...Ang uban dili sad biya tuyo nga makapatay. Nagipit lang then para nila angay mo patay.

Mas maayo gani na dire sa Cebu kay mga tigulang na. Sa Davao jud kay kanang mga gang2x nga tag 14 years old patyon!!! maayo ra sad para dili nko mahadlok mag lakaw. gabii biya uhasay akong off then daghan mang hingi kay pang yosi.WTF nila.

Rali? Diha ra ta maayo. Puro angal. Master ta ana. Naapil na sa bubble gang.hehehehe.
(Sometimes I like this rali most of the time i dont)

[tolstoi]

Actually, kanang krimanals nga gipatay, victims ra man sad na sila sa poverty. Ka luy-an sad gamay. Bati lang jud kaau dire sa ato kay walay equal distribution of wealth.

i've seen a lot of people who are not just poor but physically handicapped (buta, bakol..etc), but still they strive hard to work in a legal ways...how much more for this criminals who can run fast as hell when in pursuite by the police..

i hope you realize that, by your own words, you are not solving the problem. you are only transplanting it into other places, and postponing your worst fears.

well, i guess its better than taking no actions at all...if the mayor wont do any harsh measures wherein conventional means (trial, persecution..blah blah) does not effect anymore then crime rates in the city will go skyrocketing...

then you will have a lot to suffer for. maybe not in the immediate future, but rest assured, lions who have been trained to eat human flesh could sometime turn to the very hands that feed it.

and mind you..., only 'petty crimes?'

mayor duterte of davao had proven it successful...so why can't it be here in cebu?

my point in mentioning the so called 'dynamics of crime' is to impress the idea that to solve the problem of criminality, we first must know what we are dealing with.

we are dealing with people whom we can compare to a 'Plakang Guba'..no matter how you clean the surface and still the problem keeps on repeating..so why not whack 'em up.....

[gareb]

for monrose29, cebutech and PR0C\0UT:

so if there is a failure in how you rehabilitate the criminals, then THAT should be the main push of the action, not summary executions of suspected criminals. u simply cannot use this failure of the justice system to push for something that borders on barbarism. unsa may diperensya nimo aning mga tawhana nga gipamatay kung ikaw sad uyon nga pamatyon sila?

Pasanginlan? I think tanan gipamatay diri sa death squad dili na man ni "pasangil" lang... Naa na man gani ni records, in and out... Murag Sandara ba.. hehehe "In or out, am I in or out..."

ok. pwede nga naa sila'y records. pwede nga sulod-gawas sila sa prisohan. but is this enough reason to kill them?

dili ba kaha naay problema sa inyong 'rehabilitation' sa prisohan mismo nga magbalik-balik man ang mga tawo diha? ang RC man kaha sa BBRC kay Rehabilitation Center. nganong wla man marehabilitate? o basin naay problema sa padulngan aning mga tawhana inig gawas nga mahulog man sila pagbalik sa kriminalidad?

sa wala pa ta mingpabor sa summary executions aning mga tawhana, ato ba kaha ning nahuna-huna?

arnoldsa: there are no hitlists. refer to the other thread regarding that topic. we can discuss the demerits of your argument regading ownership and the right to assembly in another topic.

[gareb]

i've seen a lot of people who are not just poor but physically handicapped (buta, bakol..etc), but still they strive hard to work in a legal ways...how much more for this criminals who can run fast as hell when in pursuit by the police..

its ridiculous to compare an able-bodied criminal to a disabled individual in such a way that we judge the invalid as better because he does not snatch cellphones compared to those who do. naturally, a paraplegic cannot run, so whats the use of snatching a cellphone if u get caught anyway? better live a 'straight' life.

dynamics of crime: the availability of illegitimate opportunities to succeed.

well, i guess its better than taking no actions at all...if the mayor wont do any harsh measures wherein conventional means (trial, persecution..blah blah) does not effect anymore then crime rates in the city will go skyrocketing...

no it's not better. its barbaric. and it is not exactly better to the communities where you will drive these people to. epitome of selfishness, don't you think?

by not advocating summary executions one does not necessarily lay back and do nothing. advocating summary executions is prescribing rat poison to a stomachache. your comment above has actually mentioned the problem; ineffective rehabilitation in our prisons. why should we not address this first instead of going around killing people?

i hope your good mayor has though about this first.

mayor duterte of davao had proven it successful...so why can't it be here in cebu?

... in davao. and where do you suppose the criminals went, eh? has duterte thought about that too?

we are dealing with people whom we can compare to a 'Plakang Guba'..no matter how you clean the surface and still the problem keeps on repeating..so why not whack 'em up.....

true. Plakang Guba. question is, how did you 'clean the surface'? or perhaps it is only the surface that you cleaned, assuming that there are no dirt underneath the table.

and because you assumed that there was no dirt left there, you threw away the old 'Plakang Guba' because u deemed it worthless and a hopeless cause... without realizing that it could have been fixed.

or perhaps we just do not want to go through the ardous process of determining our own social problems and its roots and fixing em. we want quick solutions, even if they have been proven ultimately to fail altogether.

no wonder we repeat history all over again. we never learn from it.

[PR0CESS0R]

We lose hope/trust in our justice system here that's why we are in favor them to be executed.

Good for you @Gareb kay wala ka nabiktima sa tulis ug snatch diri sa cebu. Usa ko sa biktima sa tulis nga hapit ma disgrasya. Ambot kong unsay imong buhaton kong ikaw pa ang nahimutang sa akong part. Wala nako mo-report sa kapulisan kay mapili ra ang pulis diri nga wala magdawat ug "Soborno" sa mga criminals.

To all Robbers/Snatchers:

Unsa may naka deperesya sa pobre/farmers ug sa tulisan/snatchers nga pareha man nga completo ug kamot?
Dili ba diay mabuhi ang taw sa minatarong nga paagi?


** Drug Trafficking & Syndicates

Kong makapatay ang drug user tungod kay na-addict, Ang ikasulti sa mga taw, "Na-tripan"
It is justifiable/reasonable?

I'm in favor of your suggestion to rehabilitate them but how? In what way? Even top officials are corrupt. Do we still trust them amidst of wrong doing?

[PR0CESS0R]

I hope nga ang government sa pilipinas dili na unta sakyan ug dautan nga elemento para linaw ug hapsay ang atong palibot.

Mao ra jud na akong gi-ampo sa Ginoo nga unta hatagan ug lamdagan sa maayong panghuna-huna ang mga criminals aron mobalik sa sabakan sa Diyos.

Pit Senyor!