Naa ba'y problema ang Ginoo?

[Tobi]

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Define place kuno bro? kay naghisgot man ka ug place for eternal punishment

matod sa Dictionary, ang place is a physical environment.

Ka relax nako naa gani ko diri sa banyo nalibang with my laptap! GOD DOES NOT PUNISH NOR REWARD. WE PUNISH AND REWARD OURSELVES BY THE CONSEQUENCES OF OUR ACTIONS! (LAW OF KARMA OR LAW OF CAUSE AND EFFECT)

God does not punish nor reward? so unsa man diay ning imong giingon nga maka experience ka ug impyerno? unsa na siya dili diay na punishment para nimo?

nagkakontra kontra naman ang imong giingon bro...

[regnauld]

matod sa Dictionary, ang place is a physical environment.



God does not punish nor reward? so unsa man diay ning imong giingon nga maka experience ka ug impyerno? unsa na siya dili diay na punishment para nimo?

nagkakontra kontra naman ang imong giingon bro...

Are you sure ang Ginoo ang nag punish nimo kung maka experience ka ug impiyerno karon? ang punishment bro sa ako nang giingon resulta kana sa imong ACTIONS and FOR every ACTION HAS AN EQUIVALENT AND OPPOSITE REACTION (LAW OF KARMA OR CAUSE AND EFFECT). sO, KUNG MOPATAY KA UNSAY RESULTA? GUILT AND PUNISHMENT SA BALAOD SA TAWO! UNYA PUNISHMENT DIAY NA SA GINOO? PAG CHUR BRO Uy! Remember THE LAW OF KARMA DOES NOT DESCRIMINATE BECAUSE IT IS NEUTRAL!

[Tobi]

Are you sure ang Ginoo ang nag punish nimo kung maka experience ka ug impiyerno karon? ang punishment bro sa ako nang giingon resulta kana sa imong ACTIONS and FOR every ACTION HAS AN EQUIVALENT AND OPPOSITE REACTION (LAW OF KARMA OR CAUSE AND EFFECT). sO, KUNG MOPATAY KA UNSAY RESULTA? GUILT AND PUNISHMENT SA BALAOD SA TAWO! UNYA PUNISHMENT DIAY NA SA GINOO? PAG CHUR BRO Uy! Remember THE LAW OF KARMA DOES NOT DESCRIMINATE BECAUSE IT IS NEUTRAL!

naa may mga tawo bro nga kung mupatay dili maka feel ug guilt or punishment sa balaod sa tawo bro. unsa mana sila bro? wala sa impyerno?

paghatag daw ug example diri bro kung ang usa ka tawo naa sa langit or impyerno sa imong pagsabot...

[regnauld]

naa may mga tawo bro nga kung mupatay dili maka feel ug guilt or punishment sa balaod sa tawo bro. unsa mana sila bro? wala sa impyerno?

paghatag daw ug example diri bro kung ang usa ka tawo naa sa langit or impyerno sa imong pagsabot...

Nindot na imong mga pangutana bro. Kanang mga tawo nga dili mobati ug guilt KUNG MOPATAY wala na magpasabot nga wala sila mag suffer. No one is exempted from THE LAW! Kung maka escape man sa balaod sa tawo bro, dili gihapon na maka escape SA LAW OF KARMA WHICH IS THE LAW OF CAUSE AND EFFECT (DILI SABTON GI PUNISH SIYA SA GINOO! WE ARE BOUND BY THE UNIVERSAL LAW OF GOD) Example bro kung palabi ka ug inom unya masakit ka kinsa may nag punish nimo? ANG GINOO? Kita ra gihapon bro ang ma blame! KaNA usa na ka example sa impYerno ang pag antos sa maong sakit!

Ang tawo maka ingon ko maka experience siya ug heaven (temporary) kung siya malipayon ug malinawon iyang panghuna huna. Naa siya sa hell (temporary) kung naa siya sa kasuko, walay kalipay, walay kahulugan ang iyang kinabuhi! HAPPY NEW YEAR BRO!

[Tobi]

Nindot na imong mga pangutana bro. Kanang mga tawo nga dili mobati ug guilt KUNG MOPATAY wala na magpasabot nga wala sila mag suffer. No one is exempted to THE LAW! Kung maka escape man sa balaod sa tawo bro, dili gihapon na maka escape SA LAW OF KARMA WHICH IS THE LAW OF CAUSE AND EFFECT (DILI SABTON GI PUNISH SIYA SA GINOO! WE ARE BOUND BY THE UNIVERSAL LAW OF GOD) Example bro kung palabi ka ug inom unya masakit ka kinsa may nag punish nimo? ANG GINOO? Kita ra gihapon bro ang ma blame! KaNA usa na ka example sa impYerno ang pag antos sa maong sakit!

Ang tawo maka ingon ko maka experience siya ug heaven (temporary) kung siya malipayon ug malinawon iyang panghuna huna. Naa siya sa hell (temporary) kung naa siya sa kasuko, walay kalipay, walay kahulugan ang iyang kinabuhi! HAPPY NEW YEAR BRO!

salamat sa pagtubag bro.

so kung ang tawo maka suffer ug Karma, naa siya sa impyerno. kung ang tawo malipayon, malinawon ang panghuna huna, naa siya sa langit.

akong pangutana: unya inig kamatay sa tawo, what's next?

and one more thing, niingon ka God is everywhere. naglibog lang ko bro, kanang "everywhere", place na siya bro or dili?

hmmmmm...

[regnauld]

salamat sa pagtubag bro.

so kung ang tawo maka suffer ug Karma, naa siya sa impyerno. kung ang tawo malipayon, malinawon ang panghuna huna, naa siya sa langit.

akong pangutana: unya inig kamatay sa tawo, what's next?

and one more thing, niingon ka God is everywhere. naglibog lang ko bro, kanang "everywhere", place na siya bro or dili?

hmmmmm...

THE LAW OF KARMA IS NEITHER POSITIVE nor NEGATIVE! inig kamatay bro? good question. IF YOU DESERVE HEAVEN THEN YOU GO to HEAVEN (STATE) WHICH IS ETERNAL HAPPINESS. If you don't desrve heaven then you REINCARNATE(dili mo reincarnate ka sa animal) baliK ka sa kalibutan tawo ra gihapon to learn your life's lessons.

GOD IS EVERYWHERE (SA TANANG PLACE SA UNIVERSE AND IN ALL STATE OF BEING )

[bahiista]

sa tanang mga verses nga imong gihatag bro, wala bitawy nakasuwat nga naay problema ang Ginoo (word for word). pero kung ato lang untang lawman ug maayo ang atong pagsabot, God is Love. Nahigugma ang Ginoo sa tawo. bisan pag dautan ang usa ka tawo, nahigugma gihapon ang Ginoo nimo. so kung ang Ginoo nakahibaw nga kanang tawhana masilutan sa impyerno, dili diay Siya mamroblema? wala lang diay concern ang Ginoo kung maunsa ra ang tawo?

kung mao nay inyong pagsabot sa Ginoo aw dili diay siya Love wala man diay paki kung maimpyerno ang tawo or dili...

Ei bro you got it wrong na pod...
Dig deeper bro, i'm sure you'll find the answer. Once God had to ultimately deal with foolish people [us].
Because of HIS UNCONDITIONAL LOVE - [means no reason, no causes, dili pod tungod namoblema ang Ginoo] He send Jesus Christ His Only Son to redem us. That's my stand bro. Then if you receive Him [Jesus Christ] and confess your sin, you'll be forgiven [read 1 Jh 1:9]

It's even in the Bible db, nga not all will be save...
After Jesus Christ paid all the sins of mankind through the cross, God has given us THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE WHETHER TO ACCEPT HIS SALVATION WHICH IS FREE FOR ALL OR NOT. WE HAVE THE CHOICE. WE HAVE THE LAST WORD AS FAR AS OUR SALVATION IS CONCERN. GOD WONT FORCE ANYBODY TO BE IN HIS KINGDOM. HE HAS GIVEN US FREE WILL. Now, you think God would still be burdened if someone rejects His offers? He might be sad bro, pero dili xa mamoblema...The death of His only Son is enough.
RATHER, Kita dapat ang mag problema kung dili nato ma share ang Salvation to other people.Accountable ta sa uban nato nga kaila kung dili si malangit because wala nato sila sultihi sa Kaluwasan...take note bro..i'm not talking about religion here...

bro nahan lang ko makatabang mga mainsakto ang pagsabot sa tanan nga nagbasa ani nga thread bah..
T'WAS GOD'S BUSINESS TO SAVE MANKIND FROM HIS WRATH, THAT'S WHY JESUS CHRIST SUFFER ON THE CROSS AS THE GOD THE FATHER TURN HIS BACK FROM HIS BELOVED SON.
"ALL HEAVEN STOOD TO FIGHT. ALL NATURE ROSE TO RESCUE. ALL ETERNITY POISED TO PROTECT. BUT THE CREATOR GAVE NO COMMAND.
"IT MUST BE DONE..." HE SAID WITHDREW. THE ANGELS SPOKE AGAIN. "IT WOULD LESS PAINFUL..." THE CREATOR INTERRUPTED SLOWLY. " BUT IT WOULDN'T BE LOVE." qoute from M. Lucado book.
the best way to tell the story about His ultimate Love...DILI PROBLEMA.
mao na bro nga naa impyerno kay wala nagproblema ang Ginoo sa katong dili mo too nya...else kung mag problema sya, wa nlang ta sya naghimo ug hell... mag problema ra man diay sya japon..

Hope you got my point.
Stay safe and have a nice day

[Tobi]

THE LAW OF KARMA IS NEITHER POSITIVE nor NEGATIVE! inig kamatay bro? good question. IF YOU DESERVE HEAVEN THEN YOU GO IN HEAVEN (STATE) WHICH IS ETERNAL HAPPINESS. If you don't desrve heaven then you REINCARNATE(dili mo reincarnate ka sa animal) baliK ka sa kalibutan tawo ra gihapon to learn your life's lessons.

GOD IS EVERYWHERE (SA TANANG PLACE SA UNIVERSE AND IN ALL STATE OF BEING )

unya asa manang eternal happiness bro? gi unsa man pud nimo pagkahibaw bro nga ang tawo ma reincarnate bro? sa imong source? dis a man pud na kuhaa sa imong source?

so kung muingon ka nga God is everywhere, edi naa diay siya'y place bro...ingon ka wala?

hmmmm...

[regnauld]

unya asa manang eternal happiness bro? gi unsa man pud nimo pagkahibaw bro nga ang tawo ma reincarnate bro? sa imong source? dis a man pud na kuhaa sa imong source?

so kung muingon ka nga God is everywhere, edi naa diay siya'y place bro...ingon ka wala?

hmmmm...

gusto ka ug proof bro sa study of rencarnation? Here is just one doctor and scientist and many others who studies about reincarnation si DR. IAN STEVENSON! By the way bro ang place sa universe ra na bro dili ma apply sa HEAVEN whih is ETERNAL HAPPINESS!

Dr. Ian Stevenson
The Pioneer of Reincarnation Research

Ian Stevenson is the former head of the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Virginia, and now is Director of the Division of Perceptual Studies at the University of Virginia. He has devoted the last 40 years to the scientific documentation of past life memories of children from all over the world and has over 3000 cases in his files. Many people, including skeptics and scholars, agree that these cases offer the best evidence yet for reincarnation.
Dr. Stevenson's research into the possibility of reincarnation began in 1960 when he heard of a case in Sri Lanka where a child claimed to remember a past life. He thoroughly questioned the child and the child's parents, as well as the people whom the child claimed were his parents from his past life. This led to Dr. Stevenson's conviction that reincarnation was possibly a reality. The more cases he pursued, the greater became his drive to scientifically open up and conquer an unknown territory among the world's mysteries, which until now had been excluded from scientific observation. Nonetheless, he believed he could approach and possibly furnish proof of its reality with scientific means.
In 1960, Dr. Stevenson published two articles in the Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research about children who remembered past lives. In 1974, he published his book, Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation, and became well known wherever this book appeared by those people who already had a long-standing interest in this subject. They were pleased to finally be presented with such fundamental research into reincarnation from a scientific source. In 1997, Dr. Stevenson published his work entitled Reincarnation and Biology. In the first volume, he mainly describes birthmarks - those distinguishing marks on the skin which the newborn baby brings into the world and cannot be explained by inheritance alone. In his second volume, Dr. Stevenson focuses mainly on deformities and other anomalies that children are born with and which cannot be traced back to inheritance, prenatal or perinatal (created during birth) occurrences. This monumental piece of work contains hundreds of pictures documenting the evidence.
During his original research into various cases involving children's memories of past lives, Dr. Stevenson did note with interest the fact that these children frequently bore lasting birthmarks which supposedly related to their murder or the death they suffered in a previous life. Stevenson's research into birthmarks and congenital defects has such particular importance for the demonstration of reincarnation, since it furnishes objective and graphic proof of reincarnation, superior to the - often fragmentary - memories and reports of the children and adults questioned, which even if verified afterwards cannot be assigned the same value in scientific terms.
In many cases presented by Dr. Stevenson there are also medical documents available as further proof, which are usually compiled after the death of the person. Dr. Stevenson adds that in the cases he researched and "solved" in which birthmarks and deformities were present, he didn't suppose there was any other apposite explanation than that of reincarnation. Only 30% - 60% of these deformities can be put down to birth defects which related to genetic factors, virus infections or chemical causes (like those found in children damaged by the drug Thalidomide or alcohol). Apart from these demonstrable causes, the medical profession has no other explanation for the other 40% to 70% of cases than that of mere chance. Stevenson has now succeeded in giving us an explanation of why a person is born with these deformities and why they appear precisely in that part of their body and not in another.
Most of the cases where birthmarks and congenital deformities are present for which no medical explanations exist have one to five characteristics in common.
(1) In the most unusual scenario, it is possible that someone who believed in reincarnation expressed a wish to be reborn to a couple or one partner of a couple. This is usually because they are convinced that they would be well cared for by those particular people. Such preliminary requests are often expressed by the Tlingit Indians of Alaska and by the Tibetans.
(2) More frequent than this are the occurrences of prophetic dreams. Someone who has died appears to a pregnant or not as yet pregnant woman and tells her that he or she will be reborn to her. Sometimes relatives or friends have dreams like this and will then relate the dream to the mother to be. Dr. Stevenson found these prophetic dreams to be particularly prolific in Burma and among the Indians in Alaska.
(3) In these cultures the body of a newborn child is checked for recognizable marks to establish whether the deceased person they had once known has been reborn to them. This searching for marks of identification is very common among cultures that believe in reincarnation, and especially among the Tlingit Indians and the Igbos of Nigeria. Various tribes of West Africa make marks on the body of the recently deceased in order to be able to identify the person when he or she is reborn.
(4) The most frequently occurring event or common denominator relating to rebirth is probably that of a child remembering a past life. Children usually begin to talk about their memories between the ages of two and four. Such infantile memories gradually dwindle when the child is between four and seven years old. There are of course always some exceptions, such as a child continuing to remember its previous life but not speaking about it for various reasons.
Most of the children talk about their previous identity with great intensity and feeling. Often they cannot decide for themselves which world is real and which one is not. They often experience a kind of double existence where at times one life is more prominent, and at times the other life takes over. This is why they usually speak of their past life in the present tense saying things like, "I have a husband and two children who live in Jaipur." Almost all of them are able to tell us about the events leading up to their death.
Such children tend to consider their previous parents to be their real parents rather than their present ones, and usually express a wish to return to them. When the previous family has been found and details about the person in that past life have come to light, then the origin of the fifth common denominator – the conspicuous or unusual behavior of the child - is becoming obvious.
(5) For instance, if the child is born in India to a very low-class family and was a member of a higher caste in its previous life, it may feel uncomfortable in its new family. The child may ask to be served or waited on hand and foot and may refuse to wear cheap clothes. Stevenson gives us several examples of these unusual behavior patterns.
In 35% of cases he investigated, children who died an unnatural death developed phobias. For example, if they had drowned in a past life then they frequently developed a phobia about going out of their depth in water. If they had been shot, they were often afraid of guns and sometimes loud bangs in general. If they died in a road accident they would sometimes develop a phobia of traveling in cars, buses or lorries.
Another frequently observed unusual form of behavior, which Dr. Stevenson called philias, concerns children who express the wish to eat different kinds of food or to wear clothes that were different from those of their culture. If a child had developed an alcohol, tobacco or drug addiction as an adult in a previous incarnation he may express a need for these substances and develop cravings at an early age.
Many of these children with past-life memories show abilities or talents that they had in their previous lives. Often children who were members of the opposite *** in their previous life show difficulty in adjusting to the new ***. These problems relating to the '*** change' can lead to homosexuality later on in their lives. Former girls who were reborn as boys may wish to dress as girls or prefer to play with girls rather than boys.

Until now all these human oddities have been a mystery to conventional psychiatrists - after all, the parents could not be blamed for their children's behavior in these cases. At long last research into reincarnation is shedding some light on the subject. In the past, doctors blamed such peculiarities on a lack or a surplus of certain hormones, but now they will have to do some rethinking.
The following paper by Dr. Stevenson was presented at the Eleventh Annual Meeting of the Society for Scientific Exploration held at Princeton University. June 11-13, 1992. The title of the paper is "Birthmarks and Birth Defects Corresponding to Wounds on Deceased Persons" and provides perhaps the most compelling scientific evidence suggestive of reincarnation. Dr. Stevenson's paper presents evidence that physical characteristics, such as birthmarks and deformities, may be carried over from a past life to a present life.

[bahiista]

I don't believe in reincarnation. i believe there's Heaven and there's hell.