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  1. #151

    Quote Originally Posted by abcas2 View Post
    Actually business holds it risk too... Its natural to expect and be prepared..
    If we always hide in our shell we will fail to see other wonders!!!!

    @ncmknight
    How bout my question you haven't answer it yet??
    Business is risky, but the willingness to take the risk is based on the concept of earning by decent means. Do you think recruiting 99% and selling 1% in MLM is ethical? Do you think the promises by an upline to help build a downline's own pyramid by recruitment is ethical?

    To answer your question, here are the companies that have victimized relatives and friends alike:
    1. IgenPortal
    2. First Quadrant
    3. Juvio
    4. UNO
    5. My7Diamonds
    6. BP.net
    7. League of Business Builders
    8. JC Spice

    I can't recall the others, but I am sure many more will be deceived. Some new companies have now cropped up and have started their usual thing.

  2. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by ncmknight View Post
    All of them failed, not because they didn't exert enough effort but because the MLM system is designed to fail.

    yes, I agree... most of these "businesses" fail because of the poor system used.

    SYSTEM and Leadership are the keys.

  3. #153
    Istoryans! I would like to share this experience with you, you may confirm this if anyone has the same experience I had.

    I was recruited by a so called Business Development Engineer ( although I know he is an engineer from and company in MEPZ2). So I came, then I realized it was a business orientation for NUSkin.

    So I was worried:
    1. He said he is a business development engineer and not even honest enough to tell me ahead that the business he is offering is for a network marketing company, hence he is a Networker or Network Marketer. MisREPRESENTATION at it's finest.
    2. Their company daw is far better as a network marketing company,well I searched over the net, and it has all the features of being one.
    3. Their closed team of engineers (coming from the same company), seemed to attacked your pains (such as low income and the like) but IMO, hambugero na hinoon ang dating, I hope their recruits are earning now as they promised, showing all this promises of securing the future. I am not really sure if they have really achieved the status of what they told me.

    Then I searched the net and found out that these recruiting strategies have been experienced by many in greater Manila area...here is the link. Beware of NuSkin or NSE Philippines

    So I told myself, if I join, would I become like them? ALL LIES from the moment we met. Would I burn my hard-earned money (12K+) for this? 5K ra ba ang referal fee, pastilan.....no wonder they wear nice dresses/suits.

    They may have great quality products (expensive though!), but the manner of recuiting by some of its so called "Business Development Engineers" making me doubtful on the integrity of these people.

    My apologies if I have to express this, I am only hoping that this experience will serve as a warning.

  4. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by ncmknight View Post
    Yes in one way or the other.

    Since they became members/associates themselves, they did what their uplines and downlines did, and that is to recruit.

    All of them failed, not because they didn't exert enough effort but because the MLM system is designed to fail.
    Sorry but you misinterpret the term junky.....

    A junky is a person who jump from one company to another. (in a small period of time)
    This kind of person have not yet achieve success but left the company without giving it a chance to grow.
    Which is a highly unethical act..
    Your example is good best describing a junky... Better aviod them.

    "Without commitment and focus" is akin to a insipid filling of an apple pie...

    So your relative and friends experience this? Or what they done??

    Again people joining the company is a result of sharing how great the product..
    We don't recuit but share..

  5. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by ncmknight View Post
    Business is risky, but the willingness to take the risk is based on the concept of earning by decent means. Do you think recruiting 99% and selling 1% in MLM is ethical? Do you think the promises by an upline to help build a downline's own pyramid by recruitment is ethical?
    Yes.... People want to alleviate their lives by taking the rickety roads of Business...
    But failing to realize the power of retail in MLM is a great SIN..
    We promise aid, ensuring them with proper guidance and solid firm path to walk on.. Which is good actually.. if being practice not just hollow words used to allure weaknesses.

    Actually TEAMWORK is good I have nothing against it...
    But if he don't help him/herself.. its another story.........

    A company who focus on recruitment base is a scam.. no doubt about it.. Does not ensure a long term business... That's why we NEED to research... Think before we act!!!

    Did your friends and family did their share?

    Its really better if we could talk privately... could I personally meet you on a neutral place or a contact number would suffice. (you could send it as a private message) Coz i really have lot of things to talk to you about

  6. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by abcas2 View Post
    Sorry but i disagree... We share the products or the opportunity and if they like it..... its their decision if they want to join (Which is a bonus due to sharing)... To give Knowledge is the key!!!!

    While recruitment, the bottom goal is to recruit him or let him join....

    Ethics always comes first than visibility...


    anyways, i beg to disagree... when you say bunos of sharing. coz sense and connection is still there. im still right in many ways.

    Quote Originally Posted by abcas2 View Post
    Again.... People always measure the value of what they hear or see..
    Listening to someone who doesn't do what he/she preach is pretty unusual
    @darkdruid What actually happened??
    why say so? anyways, these lines are quite old. it even belongs to to scam companies we know. i feel sorry for you.

    ---> so from what company are you?

  7. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by abcas2 View Post
    Again people joining the company is a result of sharing how great the product..
    We don't recuit but share..
    really? that's what most SCAM companies say... what company are you in anyways?

  8. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by abcas2 View Post
    A company who focus on recruitment base is a scam.. no doubt about it.. Does not ensure a long term business... That's why we NEED to research... Think before we act!!!

    Did your friends and family did their share?

    Its really better if we could talk privately... could I personally meet you on a neutral place or a contact number would suffice. (you could send it as a private message) Coz i really have lot of things to talk to you about
    i've been reading such promissing words from you which had been normally used by people in many scam named companies. cant you be visible enough to share it with us? or are you just afraid of the truth? -- and yeah.. please don't even lecture me about etiquette... coz network marketers are more related to liars.
    Last edited by darkdruid; 05-24-2009 at 01:54 AM.

  9. #159
    Again... Ethics always come first than visibility

    Quote Originally Posted by abcas2 View Post
    Its really better if we could talk privately... could I personally meet you on a neutral place or a contact number would suffice. (you could send it as a private message) Coz i really have lot of things to talk to you about
    To a person who doesn't value the law of etiquette... similar to a barbarian...

    Emotions...... such alluring words to compel someone to leap into the dark depth of an abyss..
    Once such cold clammy words grasp you without wits your akin to a donkey trying to munch the carrot hanging in front of his visage.. reaching.. reaching... but cannot.

    Actually every business have its delights and downfalls.... We need to research!!!!!

    For example:
    You have a huge 500 hectare lot. It Yields oil.. Gold.. and Diamonds.. (You need to choose one)
    People say Pag gold oh!! kay ani ani ani ani ani ani ani
    People say Pag Oil oh!! Kay ani ani ani ani ani ani ani
    People say Pag Diamonds oh!! pag ani ani ani ani ani

    People say description which are very tempting GOOD WORDS...
    But you need to research which is best taken... Not be lured with what they said
    But everything they say is true!!!!

    What actually do you expect... They would say?
    Why soo negative to MLM? Did something happened? Care to share it... With your permission..

  10. #160
    http://www.mlm-thetruth.com/AveMLMvs...irSales6-6.pdf

    http://www.mlm-thetruth.com/COMPARE1...as-2p-6-06.pdf

    The links above will answer your question. I've posted these for quite sometime now.


    Since you're into MLM, prove to me that at least 10% of your downlines have been able to sustain their business without recruitment, and for at least 2 years.

    Prove it here for everyone to see, since I am sure you can't convince me if we meet eye to eye.

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