I believe in God but I hate the church...

[cptn_star]

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it wasn't even Jesus the Christ who created the church. but his followers did.

but who gathered the first followers who then went on for generations? still Jesus...that means the same thing....

[jamesmusslewhite]

but who gathered the first followers who then went on for generations? still Jesus...that means the same thing....

It was John the Baptist who gathered the first followers. He did not build a church, expect to be praised, or asked for money for telling man what was given freely by God. Jesus feed his follows and those that can to hear his words, and he never build a church, expected to be praised, or asked for money for telling man what was given freely by his father. Both gave their lives freely for their belief so we could have a path to salvation.

I guess that is one difference.

[treize]

if i believe i created God.. then who are you to judge me? if i believe i killed god, then what can you do about it? are you going to kill me juz because im an infidel? .... i am entitled to my own philosophy and my own beliefs...

my beliefs and my philosophy are the results of free will, reason and intelligence, that the infinite Wisdom has blessed me with.. at least i know how to exercise such blessings rather than blindly following whatever info or so-called teaching is fed to me...

let no one be a slave to other man's creed or religion... freedom.

honestly thats why i hate the church.. it says that all others are wrong if they dont follow the church teachings

the question is do you really believe in what you said?

[Hellblazer 2.1]

but who gathered the first followers who then went on for generations? still Jesus...that means the same thing....

are you absolutely sure about that? or, is that the popular sunday version taught to you?

[AmorsoloX]

the question is do you really believe in what you said?

yup... no point in arguing in what i dont believe and what i dont practice....

the world is a harsh place.. you have to keep it real to keep your nose above the water... even if it means doing things that you dont like very much...

i really dont see any point in converting anybody to my philosophy.. and i consider it an attack on one's individuality if somebody imposes one's philosophy on another...

i believe in freedom, individuality and free thought...

[Tirong-say]

are you absolutely sure about that? or, is that the popular sunday version taught to you?

The original source of the Sunday version, Jesus Christ himself the founder of the church.

[treize]

yup... no point in arguing in what i dont believe and what i dont practice....

I doubt it....

the world is a harsh place.. you have to keep it real to keep your nose above the water... even if it means doing things that you dont like very much...

humans made it harsh to live..[/quote]

i really dont see any point in converting anybody to my philosophy.. and i consider it an attack on one's individuality if somebody imposes one's philosophy on another...

i believe in freedom, individuality and free thought...

I agree with you with this one...

[munzter666]

it wasn't even Jesus the Christ who created the church. but his followers did.

unfortunately, the ROCK was the cunning one from the bunch....and the business/market oriented one.
they chose wisely which to model and direct the HERD.

...When Christians insist on pestering others in order to convert them, it's likely that they are consciously imitating Peter's example.

[Tirong-say]

unfortunately, the ROCK was the cunning one from the bunch....and the business/market oriented one.
they chose wisely which to model and direct the HERD.

...When Christians insist on pestering others in order to convert them, it's likely that they are consciously imitating Peter's example.

This is quite funny, did Simon Peter became rich?, is he a businessman?, he is just a humble fisherman, chosen by Jesus Christ not because he knows about monetary matters but trusted to flourish the word of GOD.

[AmorsoloX]

This is quite funny, did Simon Peter became rich?, is he a businessman?, he is just a humble fisherman, chosen by Jesus Christ not because he knows about monetary matters but trusted to flourish the word of GOD.

marketing skills arent exlusive to businessmen.... charlatans and other "mangingilad" have great marketing skills.. mahatma gandhi had great marketing skills... if he didnt, he wouldnt have many followers.. hitler and saddam also had good marketing skills...