You can be a moral person without God...

[AmorsoloX]

we cannot ignore the fact that when christianity was incorporated into the roman empire, pagan rituals and beliefs were incorporated also.. for example.. dec 25 is not the real birth of christ.. almost all christians knows that as a fact.. or the observance of all souls day, the holy week, and other supposed christian traditions.. it doesnt matter anyway because what is important is the essence of worshipping your GOD..

the earliest concept of GOD in the old testament is somewhat similar to the mesapotamian god MITHRA or the sun GOD.. before the teachings of christ could be put into paper, concepts from other religion had already assimilated into christianity.. for example of this would be islam.. there are many christian beliefs that are found present in the teachings of Islam.. its also note worthy that the great prophet himself spent time with early christians..

and also, due to oral tradition, many things have been changed from the original.. oral as in tsismis bah..

we can never say that the christian doctrine is an original.. just as Islam had roots from christianity, christianity came from judaism.. and judaism comes from another ancient religion which is probably long forgotten now coz the mesopotamians got their a*sess kicked by foreign invaders who brought along their own religion..

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have you noticed about saints? naa saint of fertility, success, or whatever, even worship the image of mary plus her many variations and the sto. nino.. catholics attribute certain traits to certain saints.. isnt kind of like the roman/greek belief to attribte different personalities to different Gods?

[AmorsoloX]

FACT: ALL CHRISTIANS ARE SAVED and WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE in the Kingdom of God...
According to the bible, Christ will come back and will separate all Christians into two groups for his millennial kingdom (1000 years reign).
* Overcomers are those believers who faithfully follow the Lord's will....
* Defeated Christians are those believers who neglect and disobey God's will...
The Overcomers will stay with Christ in the Kingdom of Heavens, while the defeated Christians will be punished in the abyss ('darkness') for their Christian lives to be matured.
After the millennium reign is over, all Christians will be with God in his kingdom, called New Jerusalem.

Note: CHRIST WILL NOT COME BACK UNTIL THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED TO EVERYONE. So if there are still some people who have not heard the name of Jesus, Christ will not come back yet.

How about the non-believers?
Non-believers are those people who have heard the Christian gospel but did not accept Christ as their Saviour. (PLEASE READ THE BIBLE FOR YOU GUYS TO FIND IT OUR FOR YOURSELVES THE DESTINATION OF THE NON BELIEVERS WHEN CHRIST COMES BACK)

uhh.. how bout the hindus? the muslims? the shinto? the taoist? and all the rest considered infidels for not believing on christ.. going to hell?..

if CHRIST separates the people into two groups, he is a bigot.. didnt hitler already separated the jews from the nonjews? then killed the jews.. if christ is going to do that, he is no more similar to hitler..

[AmorsoloX]

interesting kaau ni nga topic.. related kaau ni sa debate kung kinsa jud sakto nga religion..

Social identity is a theory expounded by Henri Tajfel and John Turner[1] to understand the psychological basis of intergroup discrimination. It is composed of four elements:

• Categorization: people often put others (and ourselves) into categories. Labeling someone a Muslim, a Turk, a Gimp or a soccer player are ways of saying other things about these people.
• Identification: people also associate with certain groups (our ingroups), which serves to bolster our self-esteem.
• Comparison: people compare our groups with other groups, seeing a favorable bias toward the group to which we belong. In modern day times younger people stereotypically divide themselves into social groups like jocks, goths and hoodies.
• Psychological Distinctiveness: people desire our identity to be both distinct from and positively compared with other groups[2].

that would explain why christians would always assert themselves as the right ones.. muslims and hindus are doing it too..



hmmm.. i guess im an outsider.. im not athiest but i have my own personal God whom only I worship..

[rcruman]

bro RC... musta bro, mingaw man ko nimo. kiss ko beh?

anyway, about morals bro... back read the thread---religion only teaches morals---it does not come from it.

ever heard of Zeitgeist bro?

that's what you think, and it doesn't matter or will never matter.
Its GOD who teaches, not the religion.

Peace!

[schmuck]

Zeitgeist:The Movie had its flaws. Not a fan of it.


'The Moral Zeitgeist' guro

[chad_tukes]

yeah, i was talking about the Moral Zeitgeist.

blue_ice is just too hard on himself. he obviously didn't read the title of this thread before yapping about his so-called Propaganda. and please, stop dumbing everything down by getting everything on GOOGLE. let's start a smart discussion and stop using GOOGLE.

[chad_tukes]

again, just to make it clear guys, i was talking about Moral Zeitgeist---since the topic talks about MORALITY. that's why i mentioned it. i wasn't talking about any other Zeitgest (movie, christianity, etc)... kay murag lagpas na kaayo mo.

[shanti108]

Why does a person claim ownership of a thing or of another person? To control it or them. And why does he want to control it? Usually because he wants to be the enjoyer of it.

If a person sees himself as the Supreme Enjoyer, he will automatically live a life of exploitation. He will not respect others or the environment, nor will he care for the well-being of others. He will lead a hedonistic life of unrestricted sense enjoyment, lording over everything and everyone. Although human in form, he will be no more than an animal who lives by the philosophy “might makes right.”

[AmorsoloX]

Why does a person claim ownership of a thing or of another person? To control it or them. And why does he want to control it? Usually because he wants to be the enjoyer of it.

If a person sees himself as the Supreme Enjoyer, he will automatically live a life of exploitation. He will not respect others or the environment, nor will he care for the well-being of others. He will lead a hedonistic life of unrestricted sense enjoyment, lording over everything and everyone. Although human in form, he will be no more than an animal who lives by the philosophy “might makes right.”

the law of nature.. the weak shall perish only the strong will live.. even religions use that .. using the uninformed masses to increase its power..

he who cares about other people empowers people with the real truth.. the scientific and unbiased facts..

so called truth is often times manufactured for its effect from the desired reaction it causes, for the benefit of the holder of truth.. knowledge is indeed power..

[munzter666]

No it wouldn't of course...but let see that when people starts to compete among themselves- add some dash of greed and envy, and off you go with a nice cocktail for a better world! hehehe

No God? Let me buy a nice sniper rifle and shoot some no good politicians for a starter...ti's for the common good you know. Oh, I would love to do it...cockroaches I would pity more.

Hey! Try Pol Pot or those guys who decide to mowed down demonstrator in Tian Mien Square buddy in broad daylight- what are they? At least Marcos was prevented from doing exactly that in EDSA because he was not an athiest...but he was a sinner and a christian.

Without God there would be less reasons not to simply blow some heads of because of insults and injustices...at least for a christians. Hehehe...Crap! the things I could do without God! Hell! Even now people are blowing each other up in the basement because of parking spaces har! har! har!

What's next? Oh, you got Ultrasound indicating a deform baby- sheyt! abort that worthless turd! Hmmm...how about these economically not viable folks, grannies, loonies, convicts, disabled,...etcetera ad nauseam? Heck, they're wasting precious resources for the common good...gas and torch the suckers! grind em' and feed to the livestocks..

Lord what a nice world it would be without you...hell yeah, it's already is. --->

All of the above may sound hilarious, but they're already coming- creeping in our societies...as God recedes from mankind's mind, in the future all of these will be a stark reality...people will more inclined to put meanings into material things and those less with these things are more prone to violence and misery in their life which will cause instability in a society. There can be no rich if there is no poor, that's why Jesus reminded us that we 'will always have the poor with us'..it's rock solid prophesy.

Now, imagined these restless, uncontended godless people (who think they're poor)...what thing could prevented them from preying on happy moneyed godless folks who get rich at their expense? State enforce laws and punishment which will eventually be bought by moneyed class as it is happening now...in this situation the oppress underclass can not simply sigh in despair to a God and hope for some divine retribution later and still live a miserable- meaningless existence.

you honestly believe people in general only behave when there is a SECURITY camera watching on site.

Without God there would be less reasons not to simply blow some heads of because of insults and injustices...at least for a christians. Hehehe...Crap! the things I could do without God! Hell! Even now people are blowing each other up in the basement because of parking spaces har! har! har!

it doesnt have to take a godless prick to do those sh!t you know...the bush administration can pull those off if he stayed a bit longer. divine intervention seeking bin laden, through superior fire power. haha

i know "god" is a personal/security blanket for some, some people need it more just to function acceptably, a crutch. but as a GENERAL rule, crap no. some people are pretty much fine with out crutches.

All of the above may sound hilarious, but they're already coming- creeping in our societies...as God recedes from mankind's mind, in the future all of these will be a stark reality..people will more inclined to put meanings into material things and those less with these things are more prone to violence and misery in their life which will cause instability in a society. There can be no rich if there is no poor, that's why Jesus reminded us that we 'will always have the poor with us'..it's rock solid prophesy.

that's pretty VAGUE, take a look at major christian nations to be specific...highest crime and corruption rates not to mention the flesh industry(which is directly proportional to POVERTY), mind you the super-rich is only a minority for such crimes to be committed...talk about god in these peoples minds....these people are BELIEVERS living on the EDGE.