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  1. #14611

    Quote Originally Posted by İharlie Mİ View Post
    si mar roxas napud president..... GLHF
    Mr. Palengke on the mix!! HAHAHA

  2. #14612
    Quote Originally Posted by RainRiku View Post
    Mr. Palengke on the mix!! HAHAHA
    nyahahah

    sa kaning mga wa ka.uyon ni duterte.....nahan man jud na cla si mar roxas ma presidente....dli lng jud cla mo angkon na Mar Roxas pra sa "tuwad na daan"

  3. #14613
    Quote Originally Posted by LogicPlease View Post
    Okay lets say CHR did things that are within the scope of its mandate and nothing wrong with it but do you believe that CHR is immune to be used as a political tool?
    Lets face it, despite them not having hard evidence against Duterte, the way the present things is like they already judged Duterte as guilty. That to me looks like someone is behind them.
    There is no evidence of this other than what you see on the media. And I know that you know that the media has the penchant to focus only on news that sell. Why dont you wait for their updated annual report before you judge them? You are entitled to biases on opinion against them but you are not entitled to stating biased facts.

  4. #14614
    Quote Originally Posted by RainRiku View Post
    Ambot lng gyud if mka himo pa sila ug accomplishment report sa 2016 and 2017 ky focus man kaau sila sa politics run..aaaand dli ma ingon nga accomplishment to sila..haha

    Look at the numbers on rights complained ni this report..

    Civil 1,087
    Political 2
    Economic 28
    Social 187
    Cultural 2

    Daghan man unta silay ma buhat pa other than opposed the administration as per this results.

    CHR is very much needed but it's not functioning well now in the new government due to political biased and shit.
    Annual reports are very very difficult to make sir. Even those large corporations with billions of pesos in budget ma delay man gani sa paghimo.

    Political here does not refer to criticisms against the government or in line with political agenda ha. I know that you know this but I just want to make sure. These refer to crimes as described in the RPC or in other special penal statutes.

    As to your last line, it seems unfair noh? You judge them based only on what you see sa media. If you know how expensive it is to investigate and to file cases, especially the hiring of expert witnesses, then maka ingon ka for sure na impressive nana ilang numbers given the relatively small budget they have.

  5. #14615
    Despite all this controversies i'm still going trust Duterte. I will give him like 3 years to really improve crime stats here in the Philippines. If i see like 40% reduction in crime rate at the end of 3rd year then i believe he can really deliver his promise in his 6-year term. I just hope that PNP release those reports because as what i have heard they stopped doing it.

  6. #14616
    Quote Originally Posted by mAlD|tO View Post
    Para sa namong mga ignorante sa balaod og sa imo na sweto...naa man gud na sa ilang mandate/function nya tubagon ta nmo paris principle...naa jud na number 1 sa ila function ...nya anah ka way budget.....bisan kasikas lng na nag pakabana ang CHR..sa mga dagko hitabo wala jud? Sa last administration asa maning CHR kato mga gi pang massacre na mga farmers asa ang CHR? Katong nangadaot ang relief goods na para unta sa yolanda victims naay ni imbestiga CHR?
    Dili ko swito sa balaod sir. Tig research lang jud ko. Ako gipang ingon dali raman kaayo na makita sa internet.

    Again, limited kaayo ila budget. So mu-make sense na mu-focus sila sa offenses ra kung asa wala pay government agency naka claim ug jurisdiction or wala nagka interest.

    1. If by the Kidapawan massacre, sikat man kaayo tu saona ang CHR investigation sir. Basin kalimot ka, pero refresher: CHR report on Kidapawan massacre - The Manila Times Online

    2. Ony Yolanda, g.investigate natu by dozens of government agencies. COA pa gani mismo nag investigate. Why then, is there a need to investigate by the CHR when it has already been done by another agency? Dili ba usik ra ug kwarta? COA for sure has the competence to investigate this matter.

  7. #14617
    Dong disk88, mao ning gipasabot nga mandated ni CHR:

    "The Commission on Human Rights was created separate and distinct from the Philippine National Police or the law enforcement agencies.
    The mandate of the commission is to see to it that state obligations in regards to human rights are upheld and respected.
    It is not our mandate to go after common criminals." -- maoni ang gina sulti sa CHR nga opaw diba?

    BUT, CHR was created in 1987 constitution:

    "The 1987 Constitution, which created the CHR, provides that among the CHR's functions is to "investigate, all forms of human rights
    violations involving civil and political rights" and "monitor the Philippine Government's compliance with international treaty obligations
    on human rights."

    mao ng pasabot sa Congress, maonang "ALL forms"

  8. #14618
    Quote Originally Posted by disk88 View Post
    Annual reports are very very difficult to make sir. Even those large corporations with billions of pesos in budget ma delay man gani sa paghimo.

    Political here does not refer to criticisms against the government or in line with political agenda ha. I know that you know this but I just want to make sure. These refer to crimes as described in the RPC or in other special penal statutes.

    As to your last line, it seems unfair noh? You judge them based only on what you see sa media. If you know how expensive it is to investigate and to file cases, especially the hiring of expert witnesses, then maka ingon ka for sure na impressive nana ilang numbers given the relatively small budget they have.
    For your reasoning , This annual report 2015 was made (actually not made but published in the internet) on Mar 29, 2016 for your information sir.

    I'm just actually just seeing the data of this report. Yup it seems unfair i compared the accomplishment of 2015 to their actions from 2016 until today, it is because i can't find the reports on 2016.
    then maka ingon ka for sure na impressive nana ilang numbers given the relatively small budget they have.
    For a Chair with salary of 200k per month i don't see why they have "relatively small budget."

  9. #14619
    Quote Originally Posted by RainRiku View Post
    For your reasoning , This annual report 2015 was made (actually not made but published in the internet) on Mar 29, 2016 for your information sir.

    I'm just actually just seeing the data of this report. Yup it seems unfair i compared the accomplishment of 2015 to their actions from 2016 until today, it is because i can't find the reports on 2016.
    Yes, it is unfair. Presumption of regularity dictates that you withhold your judgement until you have the right evidence. The 2015 report will show that what you see in media do not fairly represent the work they do. By now you should know not to trust the media. Now, you are allowed to say that you dont like the CHR or its chair, because that is your opinion. But you cannot call them biased and spread it as truth without evidence, as that would be lying.

    For a Chair with salary of 200k per month i don't see why they have "relatively small budget."
    Relatively small budget for the work they do compared to other agencies. *Points at Mocha Uson* Salary is apart from the Appropriations bill by the way. Salary is given with or without the budget.

  10. #14620
    Quote Originally Posted by ondoy View Post
    Dong disk88, mao ning gipasabot nga mandated ni CHR:

    "The Commission on Human Rights was created separate and distinct from the Philippine National Police or the law enforcement agencies.
    The mandate of the commission is to see to it that state obligations in regards to human rights are upheld and respected.
    It is not our mandate to go after common criminals." -- maoni ang gina sulti sa CHR nga opaw diba?

    BUT, CHR was created in 1987 constitution:

    "The 1987 Constitution, which created the CHR, provides that among the CHR's functions is to "investigate, all forms of human rights
    violations involving civil and political rights" and "monitor the Philippine Government's compliance with international treaty obligations
    on human rights."

    mao ng pasabot sa Congress, maonang "ALL forms"
    I am asking from you, do you have any evidence to show that "criticizing the government" is all they do? Or is your basis merely what you see in the media whether traditional or social media?

    Everyone has human rights. But because of a limited budget and exclusive jurisdiction provided by law to other agencies like the DOJ, the CHR is allowed to focus on areas it deems necessary. The Philippines is a signatory to the UN, and because of that the more specific mandates as stated in that Paris agreement has been adopted as if it were local law. That is allowed, and that is what Gascon meant.

    Let me ask you, who has exclusive and original jurisdiction over criminal cases?

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