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  1. #14581

    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter View Post
    What your doing is cornering the argument into what is provided for by the rules of court brod.. mao nang inyong master kanang sulod sa korte.. Are you a lawyer kay maayo man kaayo ka mo corner?

    Balik lang ta sa Constitution...

    As a Constitutional Right to every citizen, is the Government mandated by the Constitution to provide legal assistance to the offended?



    Again , we are not talking about proof of irregularity of CHR's work here. I'm merely pointing the fact that, that office has been pressured to make suka Gascon or else 1k is their budget for the year 2018..
    Because whether you like it or not, the Rules of Court are there. It is a Constitutional right. BUT, the Constitution is the general rule, and the ROC provides for the exception. The SOJ has the discretion to command the inhibition of all public prosecutors. Now, pwede ni nimo ma challenge sa Supreme Court. And kailangan naa kay lawyer kuyog to appear before the SC. But asa man kag lawyer kung dili dawatun sa pro bono lawyers imo case? Imo sila pugson? Dili pwede. Sa CHR? Nahh, 1k ra ila budget, wala silay kwarta pangbayad ug filing fees. Remember, dili pwede musupak ang public attorneys sa SOJ.

    What's strange to me is you seem to agree with the constructive abolishment of the CHR by the lower house even without reliable basis.

  2. #14582
    Quote Originally Posted by disk88 View Post
    So balik ta, naa ba kay PROOF na dili regular ilang pag perform sa ila mandate? Kay kung wala, we are done talking here
    Ibutang ta lang nga gi prioritize sa CHR ang pag prosecute against govt atrocities towards civilians kay ang uban agencies wla nila gi priority for some reasons. Cguro mahal mo prosecute og govt officials kay gamhanan kaayo, kas og resources. Pero bisan pa ana nga rason, makakita unta pud ta nga nga muprosecute ang CHR og non government officials or pulis.. kay apil sa ila mandate tnan man nga human rights.. bsan usa wa jud ko kita CHR mi prosecute og ordinary suspects.

  3. #14583
    Quote Originally Posted by ComeToPapa View Post
    Ibutang ta lang nga gi prioritize sa CHR ang pag prosecute against govt atrocities towards civilians kay ang uban agencies wla nila gi priority for some reasons. Cguro mahal mo prosecute og govt officials kay gamhanan kaayo, kas og resources. Pero bisan pa ana nga rason, makakita unta pud ta nga nga muprosecute ang CHR og non government officials or pulis.. kay apil sa ila mandate tnan man nga human rights.. bsan usa wa jud ko kita CHR mi prosecute og ordinary suspects.
    Mu investigate man sila sir. Gi.post tu nako sa previous pages, but wala lang koy latest source. 2015 pa tu na annual report. Nakabutang ngadto na daghan kaayo silag cases. Mind you, mahal kaayo na ang pag investigate and case build up. Court filing fees lang daan kay mahal na. Ang nakita lang jud natu ug kadaghan sa Congressmen natu kay ang mga gipakita sa media ug press releases sa CHR. Mao man gud ang juicy stories. But if tan.awn natu ila annual report, daghan kaayo silag gibuhat aside from investigating government-related offenses.

  4. #14584
    Kung ako papili-on i abolish nalang og CHR kay politically corrupted na sila .. unya maghimo nalang lain nga agency nga ang ang sole purpose is to protect citizen rights against government violations. Unya ang DOJ di na dapat mo handle og case against police og government officials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disk88 View Post
    Mu investigate man sila sir. Gi.post tu nako sa previous pages, but wala lang koy latest source. 2015 pa tu na annual report. Nakabutang ngadto na daghan kaayo silag cases. Mind you, mahal kaayo na ang pag investigate and case build up. Court filing fees lang daan kay mahal na. Ang nakita lang jud natu ug kadaghan sa Congressmen natu kay ang mga gipakita sa media ug press releases sa CHR. Mao man gud ang juicy stories. But if tan.awn natu ila annual report, daghan kaayo silag gibuhat aside from investigating government-related offenses.
    Lisud kaayo mu-isturya ta nga daghan kaayo sila case nga gihandol unya wla tay bsan usa ka link?

  5. #14585
    Quote Originally Posted by ComeToPapa View Post
    Kung ako papili-on i abolish nalang og CHR kay politically corrupted na sila .. unya maghimo nalang lain nga agency nga ang ang sole purpose is to protect citizen rights against government violations. Unya ang DOJ di na dapat mo handle og case against police og government officials.

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    Lisud kaayo mu-isturya ta nga daghan kaayo sila case nga gihandol unya wla tay bsan usa ka link?
    http://198.23.173.74/chr/wp-content/...PORT-FINAL.pdf

    Dara sir para ma informed ka. Or google lang kung dili nimo ma open: commission on human rights 2015 annual

  6. #14586
    Quote Originally Posted by disk88 View Post
    CHR probes violent Kidapawan dispersal | Headlines, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com
    Philippines launches world’s first national human rights investigation into 50 big polluters | Greenpeace International
    http://198.23.173.74/chr/wp-content/...PORT-FINAL.pdf

    Dara sir para ma informed ka
    lol page not found
    kinsa man sad ang mi desperse ani nila basin mga pulis napud so invalid ra ghapon

  7. #14587
    Quote Originally Posted by ComeToPapa View Post
    lol page not found
    kinsa man sad ang mi desperse ani nila basin mga pulis napud so invalid ra ghapon
    Gi.update na. Or pwede nimo ma google, dali ra cguro kaayo na buhaton. Keywords: commission on human rights 2015 annual

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    Quote Originally Posted by disk88 View Post
    Because whether you like it or not, the Rules of Court are there. It is a Constitutional right. BUT, the Constitution is the general rule, and the ROC provides for the exception. The SOJ has the discretion to command the inhibition of all public prosecutors. Now, pwede ni nimo ma challenge sa Supreme Court. And kailangan naa kay lawyer kuyog to appear before the SC. But asa man kag lawyer kung dili dawatun sa pro bono lawyers imo case? Imo sila pugson? Dili pwede. Sa CHR? Nahh, 1k ra ila budget, wala silay kwarta pangbayad ug filing fees. Remember, dili pwede musupak ang public attorneys sa SOJ.

    What's strange to me is you seem to agree with the constructive abolishment of the CHR by the lower house even without reliable basis.
    Unsa man nga case for example imong pasabot bro nganong dili man sila pwede mo supak?

    I'm sensing an irregularity or a sinister plot nga involved ang SOJ nganong ila man ipa inhibit ang Public Attorney?

    Coming from me being a pro administration, you shouldn't be surprised bro. Bitaw..

    Klarohon lang nako for your sakes, kay I think dili man to ikaw ang troll diri nga wala kasabot sa iyang gipangyawit..

    I'm not against CHR, I'm against Gascon ..

    Why?

    Because Gascon is politically biased.. He was the Director General of the Liberal party, he was the Presidential Campaigner for Noynoy..

    And the Lower House who by the way is a political body can choose to opt for a pro administration chief of CHR.

    Again I'm not talking about rules of court here, I'm talking about political maneuvering which I think is still good.. kay I personally don't like the guy... murag sleeper cell ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by disk88 View Post
    Mu investigate man sila sir. Gi.post tu nako sa previous pages, but wala lang koy latest source. 2015 pa tu na annual report. Nakabutang ngadto na daghan kaayo silag cases. Mind you, mahal kaayo na ang pag investigate and case build up. Court filing fees lang daan kay mahal na. Ang nakita lang jud natu ug kadaghan sa Congressmen natu kay ang mga gipakita sa media ug press releases sa CHR. Mao man gud ang juicy stories. But if tan.awn natu ila annual report, daghan kaayo silag gibuhat aside from investigating government-related offenses.
    And here I thought that the media is pro yellow. .. karon that it has been used against them yellows.. mo cry out na pud ta nga gi sensationalized sa media..

    Sala pud ning Gascon nganong wala niya gitarong iyang trabaho batok media sensationalization.

  9. #14589
    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter View Post
    Unsa man nga case for example imong pasabot bro nganong dili man sila pwede mo supak?

    I'm sensing an irregularity or a sinister plot nga involved ang SOJ nganong ila man ipa inhibit ang Public Attorney?

    Coming from me being a pro administration, you shouldn't be surprised bro. Bitaw..

    Klarohon lang nako for your sakes, kay I think dili man to ikaw ang troll diri nga wala kasabot sa iyang gipangyawit..

    I'm not against CHR, I'm against Gascon ..

    Why?

    Because Gascon is politically biased.. He was the Director General of the Liberal party, he was the Presidential Campaigner for Noynoy..

    And the Lower House who by the way is a political body can choose to opt for a pro administration chief of CHR.

    Again I'm not talking about rules of court here, I'm talking about political maneuvering which I think is still good.. kay I personally don't like the guy... murag sleeper cell ...
    In ALL cases dili sila pwede musupak sa orders sa SOJ. Government-sanctioned means naay support from the higher ups ang offense. So siyempre sir dili jud mu allow ang SOJ na mu prosecute.

    I respect that you dont like him sir because that is your perception of him. But understand lang pud na I make it a point to defend men like him. Just because LP siya doesnt mean evil na iya intentions. Sukad pa student siya kay pro-poor na kaayo tu siya.

    At this point since we are now basing our opinions on perceptions, we would have to agree to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disk88 View Post
    Gi.update na. Or pwede nimo ma google, dali ra cguro kaayo na buhaton. Keywords: commission on human rights 2015 annual
    Pasensya kaayo bro sa kadaghan na nako mga kaila wala paman koy nabasahan or nabatian nga nidangop sila sa CHR, but anyway with the principle of regularity, unless otherwise refuted. We will assume nga tinuod ng naa sa ilang annual report.

    Pero mao lage, my argument still stands that their chief Gascon is politically biased owing from his political history.

    And we need a new head in that department...

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