Legalize Abortion?

[AmorsoloX]

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That is NOT proof that population factors actually cause poverty. All you are doing is showing that poverty exists. Hello, Mr. Obvious!

duh.. thats why i asked you to count... not observe... i do hope your very capable of simple mathematics...

please dont dissapoint me..

i want numbers.. not opinions..

[AmorsoloX]

I find this problematic since the church leaders do not speak for the entire congregation. Moreover, even the CBCP is not united with respect to different issues.

The church leaders can try to make noise all they want.. pero they do not speak for the whole community. In cases like the RHB for example, surveys have shown that most catholics are in favor of the bill.. yet the church claims to speak on their behalf as being against the bill.

Whatever happened to separation of church and state. Here in the U.S., we don't have the church meddling in the affairs of the state. Likewise, the church is free from government ridicule to preach within its congregation.

In the Philippines, hilabtanon lang gyud kaayo ang church. The church leaders are using this to lobby their personal agendas as government officials tend to kiss up to church leaders to gain votes. (because most of the people just blindly believe whatever the church shoves down their throats)

amen... sad to say there are really some people here in the phils who are complete idiots and follow the church without question...

[mannyamador]

on poverty.. wouldnt they (squatters) be much better with less children?

As long as the real causes of poverty remain, that will not make a difference. There will simply be more for the greedy to steal.

Now here is what will make a difference (and the guy in the story is from the U.N., which is definitely not a pro-life or Church organization)...


UN Food Chief Disputes Malthusian Overpopulation Theory at African Synod
Political and juridical reform, not population control will solve Africa's food problems
By Hilary White
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/oct/09101311.html

ROME, October 13, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The head of the United Nations' Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) told a gathering of African bishops in Rome on Monday that the theories of Thomas Malthus, equating increased population with food shortages, are incorrect. In response to a question from the floor at the African Synod, Dr. Jacques Diouf said that "food security" is possible in Africa now without the reduction of population, if there is the political will to achieve it.

The solution to Africa's "yoke of hunger and malnutrition" is the reform of her political systems, said Diouf. "Transparency... the application of law by an independent justice" and peace will create an environment where food production and distribution can be increased, he said.

Diouf says he disputes the gloomy Malthusian economic model that predicts that worldwide famines will necessarily follow unregulated growth of the human population. Malthus, he said, "had no consideration for science and technology."

Infrastructural development, improved living conditions for farmers, irrigation, the increased use of fertilisers, building and maintenance of rural roads, availability of high-yield seed and seed quality control and certification, will bring Africa into the "Green Revolution" that has taken place in Mexico since the 1950s and Asia and India since the 1970s, said Diouf.

The UN food chief pointed out that despite the fact that 57 per cent of Africa's employment is in agriculture, in some areas only 10 per cent of government resources are allotted to food production.

Contrary to the predictions of population control advocates like Paul R. Ehrlich, the author of the book "The Population Bomb," the worldwide famines that were supposed to have occurred with the increased global population have failed to materialise. In his book Ehrlich wrote that India "couldn't possibly feed two hundred million more people by 1980." However, the introduction of high-yield grains and improved techniques resulted in India becoming self-sustaining in cereal production by 1974, six years after the publication of the book.

Dr. Diouf said that although the "political will" is not there now, if it were, "definitely" the problems of hunger and "food security" in Africa could be solved. "The land is there" he said.

Diouf's address painted a picture of hope for Africa, based on her increasing population. Citing demographic trends in his prepared address, he said that in the next 50 years, Africa will have a population of 2 billion "and will represent the largest market in the world." Africa, he pointed out, has 80 per cent of the world's deposits of platinum and manganese, 57 per cent of the world's diamonds, 34 per cent of gold, 23 of bauxite and 18 per cent of uranium. This wealth of natural resources and human resources means that "Africa cannot be ignored in the economic development of the planet," he said.

"On the earth, there is a sufficient number of financial means, effective technologies, natural and human resources to eliminate hunger in the world once and for all."

The African Synod, continuing until October 24, also heard this morning of the dangers of ideologically driven models of human rights.

At this morning's session, Archbishop John Baptist Odama, head of the archdiocese of Gulu in Uganda, warned of the dangers of "certain protocols" that purport to protect the rights of women but include among these the provision of abortion. The archbishop was referring to the Maputo Protocol, or, "The Protocol to the African Charter on Human and Peoples' Rights on the Rights of Women in Africa," a human rights declaration approved in 2003 by a group of African health ministers, that equates "reproductive health," including abortion, with the promotion of women.

Described at a press briefing as a "passionate ambassador" for peace in northern Uganda, Archbishop Odama told the bishops "we have to fight" to protect the rights of women, including access to education, but not to the point where protecting their rights infringes the rights of "other people, especially unborn children."

The point was reiterated by Archbishop Zygmunt Zimowski, the President of the Pontifical Council for Pastoral Assistance to Health Care Workers, who said that the underlying principle in the work of the Catholic Church in Africa in all areas, including health and education, is that "life should be respected from conception to its natural end."

Overpopulation is a myth, an excuse to divert attention away from the real causes of poverty. Vested political and corporate interests have a stake in NOT having these causes addressed.

And I'm still waiting for you to show any proof that overpopulation actually causes poverty. Don't forget to eliminate the other possible causes of poverty while you're at it. We've had enough of hot air.




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[AmorsoloX]

although thats a very good article, but where's the numbers?

its very vague... food ra ang focus

the problem in the story is basically theres not enough for evrybody because they didnt produce enough food coz of the government not supporting.. i guess their gov had no idea to the demands of their people..

im very happy that this example is more localized.. i congratulate you for that.

your specifically talking about food only.. you havent considered water and shelter... but its a start..
much less bout medicine and security..

the problem in the story is how come the famine happened in the first place? didnt the demand of the population exceeded that of what is being produced...

thats the issue here in your story.. the food production capacity is less than the actual demand.. in other words.. too many mouths to feed.. and worse.. the government doesnt have the resources to improve it at the time.. (kinsa idiot nga politiko sugot magutom mga tao? di jud ko vote niya)

wait.. ill post something bout rio de jenero..


thats overpopulation.. too many wants something that is too few.. overpopulation is not about numbers.. it is about demand and supply.. the basic law of economics

this is true:
"On the earth, there is a sufficient number of financial means, effective technologies, natural and human resources to eliminate hunger in the world once and for all."

but dont forget that greed real is too.. greed is not bad.. it is our natural habit to stockpile resources for our future offspings.. not everyone has access to what you just wrote.. and why the hell should i share the fruits of my labor to some irresponsible bastard so that can propogate his species and cant even support his offsprings.. if he cant give a good life to a person, its better he should not give life at all.. he is only contributing to the problem

[AmorsoloX]

wui.. i found a very interesting topic.. pinas jud ni

Overpopulation in Manila, the Philippines


Too many people. Too little space.

With every passing second, there are more and more of us. By the year 2050, the global population is expected to pass nine billion people, a significant increase from the six-and-a-half billion today. (hope patay nta ani) In the Philippines, they are already running out of space. The capital of Manila is one of the largest and most densely populated cities in the world.

Text and photos by Mads Nissen

In a corner of the Northern cemetery, Venanjo Sison is standing on top of a coffin and taking a bath. Like many other of Manila’s residents, he is forced to live wherever he can. His home is made of wooden planks and scrap pieces of plastic. The Philippine capital is one of the most overpopulated places on earth. There are few other areas where so many people live so closely together: On average there are 41,282 people per square kilometre, but in some slum regions there are as many as 88,000 people living per square kilometre.

The worlds overpopulation is a growing and complex problem. But for the residents of Manila the result is quite simple. They are running out of space. Families live in home-made shacks built in cemeteries, or between railroad tracks or under bridges. They live wherever they can find some space. Even the city’s toxic garbage dumps are home to people who eat, sleep and live surrounded by rotting trash. With so many residents, the city’s resources are strained to the limit. Large parts of Manila’s 11 million residents lack clean drinking water, work, and access to healthcare and education.

The Santo Niño slums are home to thousands of these families. Among them are Bhong Esponilla, 33, and his wife, Charito Esponilla, 33, and their seven children. All of them live together in a tiny four-by-four meter home built with scrap pieces of wood and stone and a large wax tablecloth. There is just enough room for the entire family to lie down and sleep at night.

According to the United Nations development program UNDP, overpopulation and poverty often go hand-in-hand. The poorest families are the ones who have the most children and subsequently have to support more people with fewer resources. Before they even reach adolescence, the children are doomed to a life of hereditary poverty.

Charito Esponilla’s dream is to give her children an education. That is what his neighbour, with only two children has done. But the Esponilla family can’t afford to send their children to school. As it is, they have a hard time making ends meet and when the family runs out of money, they are forced to live on the charity of neighbours.

”Our neighbours are so sweet,” explains Charito Esponilla, while she washes children’s clothes in three large buckets of laundry. ”Sometimes they give us a little rice, but a lot of the time they are short on food just like us. Then we have no other choice but to go hungry to bed. On those nights, it’s very hard to fall asleep. The children cry and wake me all night long. But I don’t have anything to give them. What can I do?”

Even though Charito Esponilla loves her seven children, she doesn’t want any more. Like most other Filipinos she doesn’t use contraceptives, and never has. She has considered the birth-control pill, but she doesn’t know much about them and is afraid of what they might do to her body.

According to Dr. Emily Bernardo, a lack of information is one of the leading causes of overpopulation in the Philippines. Bernardo is the leader of a family-planning unit at the public José Fabella Hospital in Manila.

”The poorest social groups are incredibly ignorant. They don’t even know how a woman becomes pregnant. Some of them believe they are infertile while they are still breast-feeding their new-borns and others have never even heard of prevention or contraceptives. Others still are terrified of unknown side effects. That’s why women keep having more children, even though they neither want to nor have the economic means to provide for them.”

But powerful forces are working against Dr. Emily Bernardo and the centre for family planning. The Catholic Church, the most dominant religion in the country, is against abortion, sterilisation and all other forms of contraception. The church is also an opponent of sexual education. Instead, the local priests encourage women to try and guess their egg cycle in order to prevent pregnancy. As a devoutly religious country, the church has considerable influence on government policy and has succeeded in a reduction of government campaigns on pregnancy-prevention and sexual education. (like is said, wa jud au ang church ani nga part)

The increasing religious and political pressure has a direct effect on Dr. Emily Bernardo’s work. ”The responsibility for slowing overpopulation has been moved from the government to the local municipalities, and as a result there is no longer a national plan for combating this problem. We are the last public hospital in Manila that still offers counselling in prevention and family planning. All other public hospitals have had their programs cut by the devoutly religious mayor.” (ouch!!!)

Local health organisations like the Reproductive Health Advocacy Network have criticised the lack of information available. They want more information and a national plan of action against overpopulation. Essentially, their demands are the same as the UN’s development program, which recommends three solutions for slowing the rapid rise in population. Poverty reduction, education and reproductive counselling, which includes information about contraceptives.

While the debate rages between the church and health organisations, the population keeps growing. Today, more than 90 million people live in Manila. By 2050, it will be twice as many.


FACT-BOX: Overpopulation in the Philippines
• The Philippines are a series of islands in South East Asia. The population is primarily made up of Roman Catholics and is led by the publicly elected president, Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo. She has admitted to personally using birth-control pills earlier in her life, but refuses to recommend the use of contraceptives.
• The country is a former American colony and is still has close ties to the USA.
• The Philippines has a population of approximately 90 million, with more than 11 million living in the capital of Manila.
• The Philippines is the 12th most populated country in the world.
• In 1970, the government realised it had to act to slow population growth and launched the Philippines Population Program (POPCOM) and later the National Family Planning Program. Critics complain that the programs are no longer a government priority and have lost their effectiveness and are calling for a revitalised attempt to control overpopulation.
• There is no sexual education in public schools. Most people have little knowledge about pregnancy and prevention.
• The Catholic Church in the Philippines preaches against abortion and all forms of contraception and family planning programs.
• Abortion is illegal in the Philippines, yet it is estimated that every year more than 400,000 illegal abortions are performed.
• Poverty and overpopulation are closely connected. Poor families often have the most children.
• In the next 30 years, the population of the world’s cities is expected to triple. In the next 15 years, 18 of the world’s 27 mega-cities (more than 10 million inhabitants) will be in Asia, where half of the residents live in slum-like conditions.

Sources: CIA, UN/ UNDP, World Bank, POPCOM.

from Overpopulation (Article)..

naa pud link dha para sa pictures..


now kinsa dahilan ani beh? atleast ghatagan nya numbers.. i dont think journalists are biased on this..


FYI- member ko sa POP-COM when in highschool and college..

mas lisud lagi buhion 7 children as compared to 2 children.. told ya.. atleast ako gi post naa testimonials from those affected..

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[AmorsoloX]

kinsa man mas gahi sources beh.. imu kay UN FOOD... ako kay UN development, WORLD BANK. and even CIA.. imu example africa.. ako pilipinas jud

sa popcom and red cross before, we consider all aspects.. food, water, shelter, medicine, security, job placement.. overpopulation is not just about the number of people or food shortage.. its more complicated than you think..

bantering about potential abortafacients is just not enough.. you are only talking about a small piece of the pie.. if you like, how bout you recommend safer drugs? like i told you.. overpopulation happens at a local scenario..

to change the government. You have to change the people first. the catholic church is being counter productive on this.. the government is corrupt is because the people are corrupt.. the people are corrupt because organisations like the catholic church is corrupting it through indoctrination..

dont worry bout morality.. i dont think mga babae mo admit magpa abort.. si gloria gani gamit gani contraceptives.. presidente na gani cya.. so why not the common filipina? hadlok lang cya mo support kay kabalo cya initan cya sa simbahan. pero the fact nga nigamit cya says otherwise

i hope happy nka sir manny kay it mentions reduction of poverty.. by itself, its not the complete answer.. education and reproductive counselling are equally important..

[angel_brey]

Hehehheh isig tigi gyud mo ug gamitay sa inyung mga knowledge....usa ra akong ma say!!!

NO TO ABORTION!!

3 words diay hehehe

[AmorsoloX]

Hehehheh isig tigi gyud mo ug gamitay sa inyung mga knowledge....usa ra akong ma say!!!

NO TO ABORTION!!

3 words diay hehehe

mau tana nga dili nato kinhanlanon ang abortion... but if we have to do it.. we really have to...
its a necessary evil.. we know its not good but there are situations that requires it.. and ill leave that decision to the mother..

[angel_brey]

Bitaw bitaw...pero case to case basis mana gyud uy if kelangan e abort!! Pero if abort man lng nimo tungod sa imung sala nga nag biga2x ka (if babae ka) then damn you nalang gyud!!! I really cant imagine na ipa abort or gipa abort nako akong baby karon!! As in gyud ambot nalang!! Life na bya na and even if naay uban nga mu ingun na wala pana life kay blood pa daw na...you are so damn worng kay a few hours lang from concenption...a very tiny heart already beats inside there even if wala pa na sya na porma ug tao!!! Pero if ako ang mother sa case na ingun ana na ma 50/50 akong life if ipadayun nako ang baby...I'd choose to give and sacrifice my life than KILL a tiny little person inside you nga HELPLESS pa sa tanang HELPLESS!!!

[AmorsoloX]

Bitaw bitaw...pero case to case basis mana gyud uy if kelangan e abort!! Pero if abort man lng nimo tungod sa imung sala nga nag biga2x ka (if babae ka) then damn you nalang gyud!!! I really cant imagine na ipa abort or gipa abort nako akong baby karon!! As in gyud ambot nalang!! Life na bya na and even if naay uban nga mu ingun na wala pana life kay blood pa daw na...you are so damn worng kay a few hours lang from concenption...a very tiny heart already beats inside there even if wala pa na sya na porma ug tao!!! Pero if ako ang mother sa case na ingun ana na ma 50/50 akong life if ipadayun nako ang baby...I'd choose to give and sacrifice my life than KILL a tiny little person inside you nga HELPLESS pa sa tanang HELPLESS!!!

thats great.. and i hope all women think that way.. dapat pud tanan babae mag ingat2x anang biga2x.. immoral jud kaau kung sukian ang abortionist tungod kay bigaon ang babae..

some for medical but some are forced do it for financial reasons... they have their reasons.. it would be evil of us to judge them.. (pero naa jud uban nga tanga and bigaon)

those who are responsible life-givers are also responsible when it comes to family planning.. dapat educate ang mga tawo about responsible sexuality para dili na kinhanlanon magpa abort.. para pud healthy si baby paggawas..