Philippine Airforce - One of the weakest in the world

[elvandesantos]

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@ salbahis

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[Poor_Prince23]

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Let's thank Cory Aquino for ending this project. We now have one less patently corrupt and completely unnecessary project imposed by the late dictator upon the poor suffering masses. Imagine, a Philippine Aerospace industry?!?! Talk about far-out dreams! What the country really needs to focus on is developing industries like basket-weaving and rattan furniture. Long live EDSA, Long live People Power!![/SARCASM]


jeez knsa g sulti ani na qoute? its like promoting a "cottage industry" versus "factory-based" industry. Would have been great if there was a follow up on our very own aircraft program. Nothing beats R&D, self reliance, national pride, etc. Ferdie MArcos really was visionary.

[Manta Rye]

mga bay ayus kaayo inyo mga suggestions about sa atong airforce
kaya lang wala ba mo nakaisip na magbuhat ug sarili nato mga warplanes?

Ang Iran gane nagabuhat na lang sila ug sarili nilang warplanes ug drones
para sa ila military department kay wala na man maghatag sa ila ug mga
ing-ana nga warplanes tungod kay hitlist na man sila sa mga UN members
because of their support to terrorism and nuclear arms.

ngano dili na lang ta magbuhat ug sarili nato mga warplanes?
kaya man siguro nato na ba bisan makeshift lang na klase.. hehe.
we are creative bitaw.. even brazil started to make their own warplanes
using their humble EMBRAER super tucano .. mas pangit pa gane to ila warplane
kaysa ato OV 10 bronco na multi-role pa ang purpose.

nice idea bro, same pud sa ako mindset when i joined the Army OCS. during sa board interview, the chairman asked me, if given a chance to choose in what department sa army ko muserve, asa daw ko? i answered RESEARCH and DEVELOPMENT. tanan sila nihilum ug nagtinan-away kay they all know na infantry jud ka basta OCS. but in what i did naopen ila mind nga dli ra diay puro war preparation ang pwede mabuhat sa ato armed forces. kulang ug support ato government in terms sa RND mao na all those mga filipino inventions and innovations are being patented abroad(fluorescent,moon buggy,water-fueled car,etc). ironical jud.we were supposed to utilize it on our own for our own benefits. same rana sa ato air force. dili ta maka manufacture ug atoang planes coz of the cost and the benefits are yet undetermined. possible ang drones but still it takes support, both financial and physical. we have brilliant minds in the armed forces but they are confined only to the tasks they are assigned and not on their field of expertise. and also creating makeshift can be dangerous kay altered na ang original design sa plane we wil never know naa na diay sector na compromised because of the makeshifts. but of course we all hope that someday we can stand and rely on our own na jud.

[Manta Rye]

sa ako lang opinion bay ha.. ensakto na man atong armed forces of the philippines sa gamit..if you are telling us na our armed forces are weak in terms of sophisticated guns, rifles, tanks and cannons siguro kana pa..

pero with the existing arsenals that we have today?? pwede na na ui kung local insurgencies lang problema.. There is no threat of invasion to other countries ang pilipinas so theres no need of super, ultra lightning weapons of some kind sa AFP para ma defend ato country as of now..

I think for me the AFP just needs improvement on their strategy in becoming more powerful not just in terms of arms.. but also in their discipline, reconnaissance, intelligence and most of all application of their martial arts..

Peke na ilang Pekiti-Tirsia kali? hehe.. deadly man kaya na..

bai, with all due respect, how can u say peke? and how can you say na needs improvement ang discipline, reconnaissance, intelligence and most of all application of their martial arts have you been into any of the branches of the armed forces?

discipline- can you give the definition of this? the military definition.
reconnaisance- can you describe a recon ops is all about?
intelligence- can you tell me why cebu has been spared from any terrorist attacks? because of the intel units that we have.
martial arts- deadly? the only lethal weapon is the MIND and not any specific martial arts.

our armed forces especially the air force is one of the most professional organizations, setting aside the corruptions involved. and once you live the military life by heart you will understand why people stay even if everything around them aren't perfect. MILITARY PROFESSIONALISM, others did not heartily apply this that's why they do stupid things.

how many days can you go on a recon mission carrying more than 15 lbs of ammo and supply in an undertermined terrain? recon missions are more dangerous than you think it is. so maybe before you can say something, better be sure you know the heck what it is.

[salbahis]

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Let's thank Cory Aquino for ending this project. We now have one less patently corrupt and completely unnecessary project imposed by the late dictator upon the poor suffering masses. Imagine, a Philippine Aerospace industry?!?! Talk about far-out dreams! What the country really needs to focus on is developing industries like basket-weaving and rattan furniture. Long live EDSA, Long live People Power!![/SARCASM]


jeez knsa g sulti ani na qoute? its like promoting a "cottage industry" versus "factory-based" industry. Would have been great if there was a follow up on our very own aircraft program. Nothing beats R&D, self reliance, national pride, etc. Ferdie MArcos really was visionary.

you poor prince you never see the [/SARCASM] code i put at the end of the message

[salbahis]

kulang ug support ato government in terms sa RND mao na all those mga filipino inventions and innovations are being patented abroad(fluorescent,moon buggy,water-fueled car,etc). ironical jud.we were supposed to utilize it on our own for our own benefits.

first things first, dili filipino ang nag design sa flourescent, thomas edison at onetime expiremented on it... the water fueled car the engr dingle is questionable... R&D cost more than development, i said it again. which is more practical, to invest on something that only few people can use or something more people can use, thats why our govt are more focus food and agricultural R&D....

govt did give support only to those that are worthy of support just they say it works doesnt mean its already usable... pouring money into R&D is a huge gamble, we have business before that got support from DOST regarding on mining technology, that doesnt use explosive or heavy machineries... it was successfull except for couple of hiccups... those hiccups are the turning point in cancelling the support...

same rana sa ato air force. dili ta maka manufacture ug atoang planes coz of the cost and the benefits are yet undetermined.

in US its the defense contractor that build the plane not the airforce, and those defense contractor are also selling it to other alied country (of course with permission from the govt)

we already been into this road before and failed, the indians also failed, the south africans also failed.... you see its all just business those patriotism doenst bear profit... as much as i hate but those are the reality

possible ang drones but still it takes support, both financial and physical.

we already have drones, a couple of predator actually registered under Office of President (for spying on some bastards), we also have some of those small Israeli UAV currently used by our frontline troops, you said that you join OCS, i expect that you should know that the Army R&D are done by the reserved not the regular force...

the Mapua for an instance did created a T-UAV for the Army they namned it "Assunta"



project got cancelled because of some limitations and hiccups.. UAV is a good cheap alternative to traditional aircraft, but cheap doesnt mean really cheap, the electronics used on the UAV is very expensive, it just the operational cost that is cheaper...

and also creating makeshift can be dangerous kay altered na ang original design sa plane we wil never know naa na diay sector na compromised because of the makeshifts.

our PAF technicians know about this, thats why for little changes like those UH-1 MG Sardines Can solution doesnt affect the overall performance of the aircraft...

using those Gun pod from F5 and putting it on the OV-10 didnt affect it either... our PAF planes are not really old cause most of them went into SLEP (research nalang na ninyo)... they are not stupid using it under-maintained, dili rasad kita ray nag-ingani even big nations does it also...

but of course we all hope that someday we can stand and rely on our own na jud.

same here... but for now its more practical to just get one than build one...

we cant do reserved enginering like the chicom did its not just right...

[chris_bern]

bai, with all due respect, how can u say peke? and how can you say na needs improvement ang discipline, reconnaissance, intelligence and most of all application of their martial arts have you been into any of the branches of the armed forces?

discipline- can you give the definition of this? the military definition.
reconnaisance- can you describe a recon ops is all about?
intelligence- can you tell me why cebu has been spared from any terrorist attacks? because of the intel units that we have.
martial arts- deadly? the only lethal weapon is the MIND and not any specific martial arts.

our armed forces especially the air force is one of the most professional organizations, setting aside the corruptions involved. and once you live the military life by heart you will understand why people stay even if everything around them aren't perfect. MILITARY PROFESSIONALISM, others did not heartily apply this that's why they do stupid things.

how many days can you go on a recon mission carrying more than 15 lbs of ammo and supply in an undertermined terrain? recon missions are more dangerous than you think it is. so maybe before you can say something, better be sure you know the heck what it is.

bay siguro member ka sa AFP kay mura man gud kag affected..
pero I hope dili ka madala sa emotions nimo ha? kay kanang mga
gipang post nako dira and I think most of us are relying on objective
opinions based sa topic na gi open sa thread master.. and that objective opinions may or may not be true always.. siguro nakasabot na man ka ana di ba? Pero I'm happy that you open your thoughts about your AFP thing so that I myself can be aware of your unit..

since nag open man ka anang topic can you make your own thread regarding sa AFP nato? I would like to join in a discussion with you if you permit me. Ayaw lang diri sa thread kay Airforce man gud ila topic..

just tell me kung nakabuhat ka nag thread so that i can join and listen to your topics sa ato AFP..

[chris_bern]

@ salbahis

bay nakita lage nako sa combataircraft.com naa man lage sarili jetfighter ang India? murag Indian Light Aircraft man siguro to, kalimot ko sa specific name.. ang south africa nakabuhat man lage sila ug supersonic aircraft na ang name kay cheetah?

ug bay sorry for asking this.. what is chicom? hehe. I tried to google it kaya lang wala man ko kita..

[salbahis]

@ salbahis

bay nakita lage nako sa combataircraft.com naa man lage sarili jetfighter ang India? murag Indian Light Aircraft man siguro to, kalimot ko sa specific name.. ang south africa nakabuhat man lage sila ug supersonic aircraft na ang name kay cheetah?

India's Zombie Jet Fighter

April 13, 2006: India, like the United States, has weapons development projects that go on and on, to the point where the weapon is obsolete, but has too many political supporters to allow it to be cancelled. India has a number of these boondoggles, most of them missiles or aircraft. These problems arose when, in the 1980s, India decided to develop and build certain weapons themselves. This kept money and jobs in India, and eliminated dependence on foreigners for these weapons. All good in theory, but in practice, there were major problems.


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The Tejas is smaller than the F-16 and nearly the same size as the Swedish Gripen. Unlike the Gripen, Tejas has less capable electronics and has not been in service for ten years already. India had hoped to export the Tejas, but with competition like Gripen, and continuing problems designing components, it's going to be rough going. Since India only needs a few hundred Tejas, lack of export orders means higher per-aircraft cost (as fewer aircraft absorb the development cost). Thus, there will be charges that it would have been cheaper to buy the Gripen, or Mirage 2000, or even the many second-hand F-16s available, than to develop Tejas. On the plus side, the Tejas project also created an Indian capability to develop jet fighters, including the complex engines. China also found that developing this kind of capability is not cheap, and projects like Tejas are how you pay for your new skills.

Source: Warplanes: India's Zombie Jet Fighter

Arms maker to provide defence force with 264 combat vehicles

CAPE TOWN — Struggling arms maker Denel has been given an R8bn vehicle contract lifeline by Armscor. This comes hard on the heels of its failure to win a bid to supply Turkey with Rooivalk helicopters.

Denel has now decided that the Rooivalk, on whose development the government spent R8bn, is not commercially viable and it will not spend any new money on the helicopters.

Armscor and the defence department will now have to decide whether to subsidise the maintenance of Denel’s Rooivalk capability so that it can continue servicing the 12 helicopters bought by the South African Air Force over their 25-year lifespan.

The other option would be for the air force to mothball the helicopters and for the costs to be written off entirely.

Source: Denel Gets R8bn Shot in the Arm, Ditches Rooivalk [Business Day, 2007-05-18]

they maybe successfull this time but not without loosing first, something that we cant afford to have...

can you spot the similarity of reason why this two SRDP projects failed?

and BTW R.A. 5183 or otherwise known as Filipino First Law, that requires any Business to operate here in the philippines to atleast own by a filipino 60%, this also affect our AFP's acquisition since most defense contract have to have filipino owner with 60% shares, and it actually institutionalize middle-men industry... again thanks to Cory Aquino....

to know about our DND/AFP acquisition just head to this site -> http://www.dnd.gov.ph/DND-BAC.htm

[elvandesantos]

. our PAF planes are not really old cause most of them went into SLEP (research nalang na ninyo)...

hahaha nice one. nka dum dum nuon ko sa usa ka comment diri sauna dah!