All About Trillianes~ He will be convicted.

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simple:

church
civil society
business sector
AFP

that distinguished it from his action w/c has no support from neither sectors..

No, no, the act itself not the people composing it.

[jheartfred]

@jheartfred
thanks bro, i get your point bro.
But in your own opinion bro, what is the solution to this problem sa atong government bro?

the only solution is a clean 2010 election.. to stop further questioning on validity of presidency.

a new leader that if possible independently running and has the credentials to be one and a united vote of the people..

but its far far far from reality...[br]Posted on: December 12, 2007, 02:48:46 PM_________________________________________________

No, no, the act itself not the people composing it.

u reli cant understand logic bro... the act was supported with the mentioned characters w/c makes it constitutionally bound. hahay kinahanglan pa jud i spelling...


The president is also the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Philippines. As Commander-in-Chief, the President can may call out such armed forces to prevent or suppress lawless violence, invasion or rebellion. In case of invasion or rebellion, when the public safety requires it, he or she may, for a period not exceeding sixty days, suspend the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus or place the Philippines or any part thereof under martial law.

and if it fails.

In case of death, permanent disability, removal from office, or resignation of the President, the Vice-President will become the President to serve the unexpired term. In case of death, permanent disability, removal from office, or resignation of both the President and Vice-President, the President of the Senate or, in case of his inability, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, shall then act as President until the President or Vice-President shall have been elected and qualified.

The Congress shall, by law, provide who shall serve as President in case of death, permanent disability, or resignation of the Acting President. He shall serve until the President or the Vice-President shall have been elected and qualified, and be subject to the same restrictions of powers and disqualifications as the Acting President.


in thrilla's case he was out-witted by the president w/c can subject him to rebellion.. only if he planned it right and made sure that the 4 sectors are behind his action then he can be saved from rebellion...

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Therefore as long as it is supported by church, civil society, business sector, AFP then its not rebellion!

Let us see in Trillanes case

Church: Fr. Robert Reyes, Bishop Labayen,

Civil society: Teofisto Guingona Jr., Bibeth Ortez, Prof. Dodong Nemenzo

Business sector: not visible although DOJ Sec. Raul Gonzales said they have documents to prove that it was funded by certain businessmen.

AFP: Trillanes, Gen. Lim and the rest of the Magdalo soldiers.

Following the logic of jheartfred, Trillanes acts DO NOT CONSTITUTE REBELLION!

[knockout]

the only solution is a clean 2010 election.. to stop further questioning on validity of presidency.

a new leader that if possible independently running and has the credentials to be one and a united vote of the people..

but its far far far from reality...

nice idea bro. pero lisod na lagi sad na mahitabo. hehe, kung far far from reality bro, maypa support nalang ta sa cuop, hehe.
new government nalang kaha. hehe

[jheartfred]

nice idea bro. pero lisod na lagi sad na mahitabo. hehe, kung far far from reality bro, maypa support nalang ta sa cuop, hehe.
new government nalang kaha. hehe

tanx, new government thru election bro...

[br]Posted on: December 12, 2007, 03:00:30 PM_________________________________________________

Therefore as long as it is supported by church, civil society, business sector, AFP then its not rebellion!

Let us see in Trillanes case

Church: Fr. Robert Reyes, Bishop Labayen,

Civil society: Teofisto Guingona Jr., Bibeth Ortez, Prof. Dodong Nemenzo

Business sector: not visible although DOJ Sec. Raul Gonzales said they have documents to prove that it was funded by certain businessmen.

AFP: Trillanes, Gen. Lim and the rest of the Magdalo soldiers.

Following the logic of jheartfred, Trillanes acts DO NOT CONSTITUTE REBELLION!

lol, civil society needs the majority to compose...

business - not visible - cant be seen, can be ghosts, non existence...

AFP - (u dont understand) ARMED FORCES of the PHILIPPINES.. wow duha ra diay sila kabuok "forces" lig-una gud sa ato defense..lol

and heres the most funny: fr. robert reyes denied he supported the act coz he said galing lang ako nagMASS at dumaan lang ako.. hasta pod diay ato church composed ra ug 2 ka tao?


hahahaha is it just me or gmay lang jud imo pagtuo sa pinas?

[balatucan]

REBELLION AS DEFINED UNDER THE REVISED PENAL CODE.

Art. 134. Rebellion or insurrection; How committed. — The crime of rebellion or insurrection is committed by rising publicly and taking arms against the Government for the purpose of removing from the allegiance to said Government or its laws, the territory of the Philippine Islands or any part thereof, of any body of land, naval or other armed forces, depriving the Chief Executive or the Legislature, wholly or partially, of any of their powers or prerogatives. (As amended by R.A. 696.

If support from these sectors will negate rebellion, the law could have provided, "unless it is supported by the Church, civil society, business sector and the Armed Forces of the Philippines."

What is penalized is the act and not the people composing it.

C'mon what happened to me? Im supposed to argue against rebellion, now I am trying to prove it. This should have been jheartfred's job.

[jheartfred]

REBELLION AS DEFINED UNDER THE REVISED PENAL CODE.

Art. 134. Rebellion or insurrection; How committed. — The crime of rebellion or insurrection is committed by rising publicly and taking arms against the Government for the purpose of removing from the allegiance to said Government or its laws, the territory of the Philippine Islands or any part thereof, of any body of land, naval or other armed forces, depriving the Chief Executive or the Legislature, wholly or partially, of any of their powers or prerogatives. (As amended by R.A. 696.

what thrilla lacked:

If support from these sectors will negate rebellion, the law could have provided, "unless it is supported by the Church, civil society, business sector and the Armed Forces of the Philippines."

well thank you for that, u just made my points more valid now...

[kamikaze426]

Unsa d i tawag ato gbuhat ni Trillanes kung dili rebellion, Freedom　of Expression??

Church: Fr. Robert Reyes, Bishop Labayen <- They are not the church

Civil society: Teofisto Guingona Jr., Bibeth Ortez, Prof. Dodong Nemenzo <- Sila ra 3?

Business sector: not visible although DOJ Sec. Raul Gonzales said they have documents to prove that it was funded by certain businessmen. <- corrupt businessmen?

AFP: Trillanes, Gen. Lim and the rest of the Magdalo soldiers. <- sila man ang ni rebel, dili sila counted

My point is dili ang general public ang ni support.

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well thank you for that, u just made my points more valid now...

so how about Abadia's statement on the EDSA Dos of pro GMA sectors? But anyway, you try to find a way to differentiate the acts of EDSA Dos people and that of Antonio Trillanes when there is none.

You didnt even rebut the definition on rebellion vis a vis on the support of those people as negating the existence of the crime.

I rest my case.

[jheartfred]

[br]Posted on: December 12, 2007, 03:00:30 PM_________________________________________________

lol, civil society needs the majority to compose...

business - not visible - cant be seen, can be ghosts, non existence...

AFP - (u dont understand) ARMED FORCES of the PHILIPPINES.. wow duha ra diay sila kabuok "forces" lig-una gud sa ato defense..lol

and heres the most funny: fr. robert reyes denied he supported the act coz he said galing lang ako nagMASS at dumaan lang ako.. hasta pod diay ato church composed ra ug 2 ka tao?


hahahaha is it just me or gmay lang jud imo pagtuo sa pinas?

Unsa d i tawag ato gbuhat ni Trillanes kung dili rebellion, Freedom　of Expression??

Church: Fr. Robert Reyes, Bishop Labayen <- They are not the church

Civil society: Teofisto Guingona Jr., Bibeth Ortez, Prof. Dodong Nemenzo <- Sila ra 3?

Business sector: not visible although DOJ Sec. Raul Gonzales said they have documents to prove that it was funded by certain businessmen. <- corrupt businessmen?

AFP: Trillanes, Gen. Lim and the rest of the Magdalo soldiers. <- sila man ang ni rebel, dili sila counted

My point is dili ang general public ang ni support.

see the similarity balac?