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  1. #121

    Default Re: unsay sabot nimo sa SANTOS-angay ampoan?


    hahaha. palami rasad to bro, pariha sa imong manag-uyab ug ang nagbulag nga minyo.. hehehe, nothing personal bro.

    to answer your question bro, yes.

  2. #122

    Default Re: unsay sabot nimo sa SANTOS-angay ampoan?

    Hoy Knockout, mo hirit pa gyud ka dah. padaghanay lang kag post. daghan patang kaonon nga postings bai before ka mosaka og rank. sunod sunod ka lomhanz.

    Oo God ako pasabot.

  3. #123

    Default Re: unsay sabot nimo sa SANTOS-angay ampoan?

    @pijavier: padaghanay diay ni sa posting bro? personal naman na ang imoha bro. sad to say nga ni post ka diri para ra diay sa pagpadaghan sa imong posting ug pagpasaka sa imong rank. mao na sya imong pagkatawo bro, comment-comment ka, nya ang purpose diay lain. kumon man kaayo na nga kinaiya sa mga politika bro... ayaw lang pangdahig bro... imo lang na.. luoy ko nimo da.. after maabot nimo ang kinatas-an nga rank, then? poor...

    PEACE bro, post ug maayo bro maimo na ni nga forum...

  4. #124

    Default Re: unsay sabot nimo sa SANTOS-angay ampoan?

    Quote Originally Posted by necrotic freak
    2 Tim. 3:14 - Protestants usually use 2 Tim. 3:16-17 to prove that the Bible is the sole authority of God's word. But examining these texts disproves their claim. Here, Paul appeals to apostolic tradition right before the Protestants' often quoted verse 2 Tim. 3:16-17. Thus, there is an appeal to tradition before there is an appeal to the Scriptures, and Protestants generally ignore this fact.

    2 Tim. 3:15 - Paul then appeals to the sacred writings of Scripture referring to the Old Testament Scriptures with which Timothy was raised (not the New Testament which was not even compiled at the time of Paul's teaching). This verse also proves that one can come to faith in Jesus Christ without the New Testament.

    2 Tim. 3:16 - this verse says that Scripture is "profitable" for every good work, but not exclusive. The word "profitable" is "ophelimos" in Greek. "Ophelimos" only means useful, which underscores that Scripture is not mandatory or exclusive. Protestants unbiblically argue that profitable means exclusive.

    2 Tim. 3:16 - further, the verse "all Scripture" uses the words "pasa graphe" which actually means every (not all) Scripture. This means every passage of Scripture is useful. Thus, the erroneous Protestant reading of "pasa graphe" would mean every single passage of Scripture is exclusive. This would mean Christians could not only use "sola Matthew," or "sola Mark," but could rely on one single verse from a Gospel as the exclusive authority of God's word. This, of course, is not true and even Protestants would agree. Also, "pasa graphe" cannot mean "all of Scripture" because there was no New Testament canon to which Paul could have been referring, unless Protestants argue that the New Testament is not being included by Paul.

    2 Tim. 3:16 - also, these inspired Old Testament Scriptures Paul is referring to included the deuterocanonical books which the Protestants removed from the Bible 1,500 years later.

    2 Tim. 3:17 - Paul's reference to the "man of God" who may be complete refers to a clergyman, not a layman. It is an instruction to a bishop of the Church. So, although Protestants use it to prove their case, the passage is not even relevant to most of the faithful.

    2 Tim. 3:17 - further, Paul's use of the word "complete" for every good work is "artios" which simply means the clergy is "suitable" or "fit." Also, artios does not describe the Scriptures, it describes the clergyman. So, Protestants cannot use this verse to argue the Scriptures are complete.

    James 1:4 - steadfastness also makes a man "perfect (teleioi) and complete (holoklepoi), lacking nothing." This verse is important because "teleioi"and "holoklepoi" are much stronger words than "artios," but Protestants do not argue that steadfastness is all one needs to be a Christian.

    Titus 3:8 - good deeds are also "profitable" to men. For Protestants especially, profitable cannot mean "exclusive" here.

    2 Tim 2:21- purity is also profitable for "any good work" ("pan ergon agathon"). This wording is the same as 2 Tim. 3:17, which shows that the Scriptures are not exclusive, and that other things (good deeds and purity) are also profitable to men.

    Col. 4:12 - prayer also makes men "fully assured." No where does Scripture say the Christian faith is based solely on a book.

    2 Tim. 3:16-17 - Finally, if these verses really mean that Paul was teaching sola Scriptura to the early Church, then why in 1 Thess. 2:13 does Paul teach that he is giving Revelation from God orally? Either Paul is contradicting his own teaching on sola Scriptura, or Paul was not teaching sola Scriptura in 2 Tim. 3:16-17. This is a critical point which Protestants cannot reconcile with their sola Scriptura position.
    Wa ko gets bro ..

    Apostolic Tradition ako sabot ana kay mga teaching mana nila inspired by God. Dili mana tradition nga word of Men.

    Ug mao na nga dili lang diay Scripture puede diay ta maghimo himo ug atoa lang..


  5. #125

    Default Re: unsay sabot nimo sa SANTOS-angay ampoan?

    Quote Originally Posted by amingb
    Wa ko gets bro ..

    Apostolic Tradition ako sabot ana kay mga teaching mana nila inspired by God. Dili mana tradition nga word of Men.

    Ug mao na nga dili lang diay Scripture puede diay ta maghimo himo ug atoa lang..

    dili himo2x ug atoa lang.. i-consider pod nato ang tradition nga bi bilin sa Ginoo sa Wala pa na suwat o compile ang mga scriptures..

  6. #126

    Default Re: unsay sabot nimo sa SANTOS-angay ampoan?

    Quote Originally Posted by necrotic freak
    dili himo2x ug atoa lang.. i-consider pod nato ang tradition nga bi bilin sa Ginoo sa Wala pa na suwat o compile ang mga scriptures..
    Para sa ako bro okay rana basta inspired by God na nga Tradition dili human tradition. Wa ko idea pud ug unsa na nga mga tradition sa unang panahon.

  7. #127

    Default Re: unsay sabot nimo sa SANTOS-angay ampoan?

    OT: wala pa dai mu nghuman dre?...

    hehehehe

  8. #128

    Default Re: unsay sabot nimo sa SANTOS-angay ampoan?

    sayup gyud bro kung mo tuman ka sa tradition nga gibuhat sa tao, kinahanglan subay gyud sa God.
    para sa ako, ang sabot nako sa santos, dili gyud angay ampoan. unya dili gyud na angay ibutang sa corner sa balay kay nonsense naman na.

  9. #129

    Default Re: unsay sabot nimo sa SANTOS-angay ampoan?

    Quote Originally Posted by knockout
    sayup gyud bro kung mo tuman ka sa tradition nga gibuhat sa tao, kinahanglan subay gyud sa God.
    para sa ako, ang sabot nako sa santos, dili gyud angay ampoan. unya dili gyud na angay ibutang sa corner sa balay kay nonsense naman na.
    kinsa dai ng.ampo sa mga santos bro?..

  10. #130

    Default Re: unsay sabot nimo sa SANTOS-angay ampoan?

    Quote Originally Posted by dartzed
    kinsa dai ng.ampo sa mga santos bro?..
    no need to mention bro, look at you surroundings nalang....hehe..

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