On Tithes and Offerings...

[dartzed]

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Ang pilipinas wala diay divorce nga naa man ... mao lagi ug tinod anay panang charity sa Vatican way gi gutom.

right you have my point naa sad jud sa pinas d lang ngad2 sa gawas..
mao gani saup nka pag.ingon nimo na:
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Ang mga kabuang gipakita sa Movie raman intown na oi ... sa Reality dili mana tinood ...

mao na nakadaot sa tao ky mgsalig bantog naa magpakaon nila mgsalig nlang, sa inyo religion dba naa man sad mo community service?..

[makusama]

Ang pilipinas wala diay divorce nga naa man ... mao lagi ug tinod anay panang charity sa Vatican way gi gutom.

nagpa-ila lang gyud ka sa imong pagkaignorante dong. I will nopt even validate this question with an answer haaaaaayy.... think before you post[br]Posted on: December 03, 2007, 09:09:49 PM_________________________________________________

right you have my point naa sad jud sa pinas d lang ngad2 sa gawas..
mao gani saup nka pag.ingon nimo na:
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mao na nakadaot sa tao ky mgsalig bantog naa magpakaon nila mgsalig nlang, sa inyo religion dba naa man sad mo community service?..

walay divorce ang pinas the last time I checked the law. Ayaw padala sa iyang pagka ignorante.[br]Posted on: December 03, 2007, 09:11:25 PM_________________________________________________

I beg to disagree. How can you conclude something which you do not know of? You don’t even know which church/congregation I go to.


Yes, the tribe of Levi was ordained to receive tithes in return for the work they do in the tent of meetings. (Note that the tribe of Levi was also required to give a tenth of what they received from the other tribes of Israel – Numbers 18:25-29). This was the one of the three forms of tithe recorded in the Old Testament. Second was called festival tithe, when they came to Jerusalem three times a year for fellowship. The expense for the festival, (travel, food, etc.) was taken from this tithe. Third form of tithe was given on the third year (or every three years) which was almsgiving for the poor and needy. All of these tithes were brought to the storehouse, and the priest oversaw the distribution of same. Sa among church, among pastor walay hold sa finances. Dile pud siya ang signatory sa mga cheque. We have elders who oversee how our Church distributes its finances.

To summarize, tithes were used as “payment” for people doing the work of God , for feasts and festivals and lastly for the poor and needy!

We should honor God with the first fruits of our crop, not the last, as stated in Proverbs 3:9:

9 Honor the LORD with your wealth
and with the best part of everything you produce.

I believe in the principle of sowing and reaping. I sow more coz I want to receive more blessings. Consequently, receiving more blessings means giving more back to God. God says your “gift” must be in proportion to how much you have been given, Deuteronomy 16:17:

17 Each of you must bring a gift in proportion to the way the LORD your God has blessed you.

And for those who say na nailad ra ang mga tao na mo tithe and offer, it is better to judge not because you know not. If the leaders of the ministry mishandle the Church’s finances, the fruit will show.

I no longer want to argue about what % of our income we should give to God, whether as tithes or offerings. Ako ra ikasulti kay if you sow sparingly, you will reap sparingly. Also, I do not want to argue about which religion is right. I do not believe in this. Religion will never save us in the end. It is our faith and relationship with God. AMEN.

Which congregation? hahahahahaha wala man gani ka nagpahibalo... tago gyud... ambot ngano.. hahahahaha ako I am proud to say that I am a Catholic...


so you are giving in the hope of reaping? wow! ako hatag kay hatag dili na murag negosyo na naa capital then interest... tsk tsk tsk

will answer all other questions and statements later kay medjo busy pako...

[dartzed]

nagpa-ila lang gyud ka sa imong pagkaignorante dong. I will nopt even validate this question with an answer haaaaaayy.... think before you post[br]Posted on: December 03, 2007, 09:09:49 PM_________________________________________________
walay divorce ang pinas the last time I checked the law. Ayaw padala sa iyang pagka ignorante.[br]Posted on: December 03, 2007, 09:11:25 PM_________________________________________________
Which congregation? hahahahahaha wala man gani ka nagpahibalo... tago gyud... ambot ngano.. hahahahaha ako I am proud to say that I am a Catholic...


so you are giving in the hope of reaping? wow! ako hatag kay hatag dili na murag negosyo na naa capital then interest... tsk tsk tsk

will answer all other questions and statements later kay medjo busy pako...

wahehe btaw sah

sori po but ako point is iya nakuha...

wahehehe

[makusama]

Ang mga kabuang gipakita sa Movie raman intown na oi ... sa Reality dili mana tinood ...

Charity ang pinakadako nga charity c Bill Gates .... ang Vatican mas daghan pang kuarta ni Bill Gates pero unsay gi himo palabi ug Negosyo kay way tax . Naa na cla Plan paliton nila ang Ginoo.

hehehehe hinimo2x sad diay ang CNN and Newspaper noh? Bitaw I forgot Bible raman diay imo saligan... wala man gani ang pilipinas diha sa Bible...

[bluefairy]

Which congregation? hahahahahaha wala man gani ka nagpahibalo... tago gyud... ambot ngano.. hahahahaha ako I am proud to say that I am a Catholic...


so you are giving in the hope of reaping? wow! ako hatag kay hatag dili na murag negosyo na naa capital then interest... tsk tsk tsk

will answer all other questions and statements later kay medjo busy pako...

ni tago diay ko? ka klaro anang ni ingon ko among "pastor", meaning born again for religion's sake. But it doesn't really matter to me what religion I belong to. I just chose to go to a Church that happens to share my faith and if that congregation is Catholic, Protestant, Muslim etc, then you can call me that. I don't really care.

bisan dile pa nako pangandoy ang reaping, naa na sa bibliya. It's God's promise.

Galatians 6:7

"Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap."

Luke 6:38

"Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure-- pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return."

To add to that, it was God who said to test Him when we give tithes. I don't have to post Malachi 3:10 here coz I would like to think that everyone knows this by heart.

And please, do not be boastful when you make your claim. I am not trying to win you over to my faith. This is purely for discussion purposes only. You don't have to agree with me if you don't want to. Cheers!

[makusama]

Born again? Daghan man born again bro... kamo to ang symbol kay egg unya naa chick sa kilid? Kay born again kuno? which born again bro... daghan sad pastor bro dili lang sad born again... almost all protestants pastor na... come on.. pa ila sad ba...

I am not boastful bro and I am not mocking you. Sayop diay ako gi sulti?. mao lang gyud na tinu-od.. kung naay ma reap bonus nana og dili sad na nato balibaran but kung wala I wont even notice. For me gift enough na ang gift of life.. para nakasulay sad ta unsa nang nabuhi... reward enough nana bro although filled with problems ta, dili nato negosyohon ang Lord.

As for madani ko sa inyo religion wala ko nagthink ana so dont put words in my mouth. Bisan asa paka na congregation or whatever naa gyud na either of these (protestants)...

sola scriptura,
sola fide,
problems with communion,
problems with idolatry daw,
problems with child baptism,
problems with celebration of the holy mass,
problems with priests being called father,
problems with confession,
problems with the pope,
problems with deutro canonicals,
problems with tradition,
problems with priests not given the priviledge of marriage and ironically problem with some priests getting married,
problems with Mary "Whore of Babylon" daw (ingna si Christ ana ha inig kita nimo niya kamo na storya ana)
problems with why sunday is the day of mass when supposedly daw saturday...
naa gyud pastor na murag know it all kuno kaayo and dili gyud masayop daw unya kung mo research ka pwerte diay sayopa
some dili gani mu tu-o na cross ang gi gamit pag crucify ni Christ pole ra daw (7th Day Adventist and dili ni hearsay... I studied in one of their schools abroad)
problems with Catholics being called Christians
problems with Peter being the Rock
problems with Peter being the 1st Pope
problems with Saints
problems with everything entirely!....

Did I miss anything?

Ayaw ko ingna wala ko kasabot ninyo kay kasabot ko (gikan ko diha and wala ko nagpalaboy2x diha nag kat-on ko). Mao na ni voice out ko diri kay nakasabot ko ninyo.

Naa pay nagsulti diri na nag Protestant daw siya kay gipabasa daw siya og Bible sa usa ka protestant mao na ni hawa siya sa Catholic!
Kinsa man nag ingon dili pwede mu basa ang Catholic og Bible? Ngano nihawa man siya na wala paman gani siya nakat-on sa iya Old Catholic Religion iya na dayon gi brand as Evil and Daotan kay naa lang tao ni sulti ana? Gi pasinganlan dayon ang religion sa iya pagka ignoy og pagkatapolan mu basa og Bible...

Catholics dont spoon feed you and take all your hard earned money away after. No pressures ni amoa... It is up to you to pressure yourself and learn the Catholic ways...

[bluefairy]

Sorry jud, para nako ang protestant and born again pareha raman gud. Dile lagi na importante nako nah, bahala na unsa imong tawag basta ka gets man kaha ka

hoi, grabeh pud. wala jud nako himo-a negosyo ang Ginoo. Unsaon man kuno na nako na pirmi man pud ko blessignan sa Ginoo beh? So akong gibuhat is to give back what is due to him.

dile nalang gud ta mag lalis gud kay gi yopak na ko. hehehe[br]Posted on: December 03, 2007, 11:35:39 PM_________________________________________________W ala lagi ko gi pressure sa among Church. Ako ra ga "pressure" sa akong self.

Basta, I rest my case.

[makusama]

said bluntly..

I know naay sayop inyong religion since nakasabot ko ninyo and how you think.. mao na passive kaayo ko kung dili unhan og saway.

Now kamo wala mo kasabot sa amo religion and dont even want to understand, thats why you call us names and brand us as so. Mao na sige lang mo daot and sige question and not even care if the answers are correct... bahala basta anti gyud daw...

murag hiphop vs rocker sa una... hastang pagkalawgawa. Murag racist but religion lang ang gi daot dili panit. Undanga nana ninyo ... gikan na ang Roman Catholic ana na sayop in the middle ages ayaw ninyo sunda kay bati kaayo na its not promoting God anymore its promoting yourself. Kabantay mo defend lang gyud mi permi... Catholic Defence na bro.. research sa Google to understand unsay side sa Catholic Church and unsa ila mga reasons for each teaching... haaaayy 2log nako kapoy na[br]Posted on: December 03, 2007, 11:51:35 PM_________________________________________________i f wala ka pugsa then so be it.. dili raman ikaw protestante sa istorya.net naa paman lain.. and some protestants I know gi pugos man but not directly.. tapsing tapsing lang.. pa consensya style...

Good Night and God Bless.. at least with you heated but healthy discussion :mrgreen: some here murag fanatic suicide bombers na bisan unsa pa ang proof or discussion murag dli gyud maminaw.. bisan maminaw lang unta.. haaayyyy anyways till tom.

[bluefairy]

if wala ka pugsa then so be it.. dili raman ikaw protestante sa istorya.net naa paman lain.. and some protestants I know gi pugos man but not directly.. tapsing tapsing lang.. pa consensya style...

Good Night and God Bless.. at least with you heated but healthy discussion :mrgreen: some here murag fanatic suicide bombers na bisan unsa pa ang proof or discussion murag dli gyud maminaw.. bisan maminaw lang unta.. haaayyyy anyways till tom.

Yeah, thanks for the healty discussion! ug nakalimot ko na daghan pud diay tao dire sa forum...hahahah...

God Bless everyone...

[bomb]

aw mao na pasabot bro na gamay rmu member wala met inyo tithes sa gastuon sa inyo simbahan.. ngpaila lang na mas daghan ang catholic believer bisan unsaon pa ug daot sa dili catholics.. in short mas daghan blessings sa catholic...

hahahaha

oh kay mao daghan mo kay mosunod rmn mo f unsa ingonsa pari maski la na klaro...