On Tithes and Offerings...

[bluefairy]

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Pharisees diay ka? Teacher of the law diay ka? aw mao na? ang leaders man diay dapat mu hatag dili man diay ang followers! Klaroha na imong quotes oi! sa kahimtang karon ang teachers of the law man ang nangolekta?! ayayay... lisora ani oi... paningil mo sa inyong pastor kay sila diay dapat mu hatag dili kamo... gibali2x man ang biblia tsk tsk tsk...

Excuse me, kinsay ni ingon nimo na gi paninglan mi sa simbahan namo? wala jud noh! wa sila kibaw pila akong ihatag kundi ang ginoo ra!

kapoy lalis oi, basta ikaw ra jud dapat makibaw pila imong ihatag sa simbahan. way dapat magbuot nimo! i know where my money is going and I'm not a bit worried about it coz i believe it is more blessed to give than to receive. ug kung gi ilad man pud ko, ako na pastor mao accountable ana sa Ginoo! The Lord knows that I have given cheerfully and have followed his command. Ok?

[amingb]

aw mao na pasabot bro na gamay rmu member wala met inyo tithes sa gastuon sa inyo simbahan.. ngpaila lang na mas daghan ang catholic believer bisan unsaon pa ug daot sa dili catholics.. in short mas daghan blessings sa catholic...

hahahaha

daghan member sa catholics kay tuo2x man dili gusto ug kausaban bantog ra na blessed ang piilipinas sa kalisod daghan Poor tungod na sa religion nga roman catholcs daghan tikasan.

tan-awa ang europe ug USA wala mo sakay sa doctrina sa Vatican mostly did2 Protestant tan-awa nang ilaha lugar mao na gi Blessed sa Ginoo.

Tanan country nga roman catholic majority puerting luoya kasagaran tikasan unya religioso kaau.

[makusama]

Excuse me, kinsay ni ingon nimo na gi paninglan mi sa simbahan namo? wala jud noh! wa sila kibaw pila akong ihatag kundi ang ginoo ra!

kapoy lalis oi, basta sa ikaw ra jud dapat makibaw pila imong ihatag sa simbahan. way dapat magbuot nimo! i know where my money is going and I'm not a bit worried about it coz i believe it is more blessed to give than to receive. ug kung gi ilad man pud ko, ako na pastor mao accountable ana sa Ginoo! The Lord knows that I have given cheerfully and have followed his command. Ok?

command sa imo pastor and dili sa ginoo imo na follow... sorry kung na ilad ka...


balik nako og post ha para klaro...

Churches, ministries, religious leaders, and televangelists are guilty of making false representations, when they engage in selective referencing of the Bible. Their appeals for your "tithe" money rely on these false representations. They are supposedly based on just one source - the Bible. But they deliberately fail to disclose ALL the "Biblical facts". Have you ever heard an organized religioneer admit that, according to the Bible:

(1) Tithes were not money ... they were food.
(2) Only the Hebrew tribe of Levi were ever ordained by God to receive tithes.
(3) The tribe of Levi received tithes for basic survival ... because God decreed that they did not get any land.
(4) The people could choose who to give tithes to.
(5) Tithes were only set aside once every 3 years.
(6) Tithes were not the first 10%, but the last 10%.
(7) The only example of NT believers being asked to give, or take up a collection ... was for the POOR in Jerusalem.
(Cool There is not one example in the NT of "tithes" being given to the church, or its leaders (Peter, James, John, or Paul).
(9) Jesus /follower, James, wrote that "pure religion" means caring for orphans and widows ... those who really need your tithes.

Misrepresenting the actual writings of a third party as means to encourage or pressure people to give you money ... is fraud. Truth-in-advertising laws do not permit the kind of false statements, selective referencing, and misrepresentations commonly employed by organized religioneers to fleece their flocks. It is also misleading and deceptive conduct to provide only that information which supports your sales pitch, particularly where any "facts" used in support of your claim are disputed.

The organized religioneer presents him or her self, and so is perceived by most lay people, as an authority on the Bible. Many boast a "degree" in theology from a Bible college or tertiary education facility. This builds the perception of their "expertise".

[makusama]

daghan member sa catholics kay tuo2x man dili gusto ug kausaban bantog ra na blessed ang piilipinas sa kalisod daghan Poor tungod na sa religion nga roman catholcs daghan tikasan.

tan-awa ang europe ug USA wala mo sakay sa doctrina sa Vatican mostly did2 Protestant tan-awa nang ilaha lugar mao na gi Blessed sa Ginoo.

Tanan country nga roman catholic majority puerting luoya kasagaran tikasan unya religioso kaau.

mao gyud nang mga lugara na wala ni follow sa doktrina catoliko... sakto ka dyan! wala gyud na sila ni follow sa amo teachings na NO TO ABORTION, NO TO *** BEFORE MARRIAGE mao tingali daghan sila kwarta noh? hala sige pagpakasala mo para managhan sad inyo kwarta.. ako pass lang ko ana...


tsk tsk tsk.. kamabaw sad nimo og gitukuran oi... mao ni sulti sa inyo pastor?

[dartzed]

daghan member sa catholics kay tuo2x man dili gusto ug kausaban bantog ra na blessed ang piilipinas sa kalisod daghan Poor tungod na sa religion nga roman catholcs daghan tikasan.

tan-awa ang europe ug USA wala mo sakay sa doctrina sa Vatican mostly did2 Protestant tan-awa nang ilaha lugar mao na gi Blessed sa Ginoo.

Tanan country nga roman catholic majority puerting luoya kasagaran tikasan unya religioso kaau.

hahaha u think its because sa catholic na religion or sa maga tao na tapulan na dawat lang limpyo?.. kinsa kaha ang religion na daghan charity sah?.. i wonder kaha ug kinsa na..

mao ba blessed dai na sa ginuo ang mga tao naa did2 like naa did2 tanan ang kabuang nahimo?...
like abotion is legal, devorce, etc... mao dai na natukod ang protestant ky mao na ila ways...

hahaha now i know...

hehehe...

[bluefairy]

command sa imo pastor and dili sa ginoo imo na follow... sorry kung na ilad ka...

I beg to disagree. How can you conclude something which you do not know of? You don’t even know which church/congregation I go to.

Churches, ministries, religious leaders, and televangelists are guilty of making false representations, when they engage in selective referencing of the Bible. Their appeals for your "tithe" money rely on these false representations. They are supposedly based on just one source - the Bible. But they deliberately fail to disclose ALL the "Biblical facts". Have you ever heard an organized religioneer admit that, according to the Bible:

(1) Tithes were not money ... they were food.
(2) Only the Hebrew tribe of Levi were ever ordained by God to receive tithes.
(3) The tribe of Levi received tithes for basic survival ... because God decreed that they did not get any land.
(4) The people could choose who to give tithes to.
(5) Tithes were only set aside once every 3 years.
(6) Tithes were not the first 10%, but the last 10%.
(7) The only example of NT believers being asked to give, or take up a collection ... was for the POOR in Jerusalem.
(Cool There is not one example in the NT of "tithes" being given to the church, or its leaders (Peter, James, John, or Paul).
(9) Jesus /follower, James, wrote that "pure religion" means caring for orphans and widows ... those who really need your tithes.

Misrepresenting the actual writings of a third party as means to encourage or pressure people to give you money ... is fraud. Truth-in-advertising laws do not permit the kind of false statements, selective referencing, and misrepresentations commonly employed by organized religioneers to fleece their flocks. It is also misleading and deceptive conduct to provide only that information which supports your sales pitch, particularly where any "facts" used in support of your claim are disputed.

The organized religioneer presents him or her self, and so is perceived by most lay people, as an authority on the Bible. Many boast a "degree" in theology from a Bible college or tertiary education facility. This builds the perception of their "expertise".

Yes, the tribe of Levi was ordained to receive tithes in return for the work they do in the tent of meetings. (Note that the tribe of Levi was also required to give a tenth of what they received from the other tribes of Israel – Numbers 18:25-29). This was the one of the three forms of tithe recorded in the Old Testament. Second was called festival tithe, when they came to Jerusalem three times a year for fellowship. The expense for the festival, (travel, food, etc.) was taken from this tithe. Third form of tithe was given on the third year (or every three years) which was almsgiving for the poor and needy. All of these tithes were brought to the storehouse, and the priest oversaw the distribution of same. Sa among church, among pastor walay hold sa finances. Dile pud siya ang signatory sa mga cheque. We have elders who oversee how our Church distributes its finances.

To summarize, tithes were used as “payment” for people doing the work of God , for feasts and festivals and lastly for the poor and needy!

We should honor God with the first fruits of our crop, not the last, as stated in Proverbs 3:9:

9 Honor the LORD with your wealth
and with the best part of everything you produce.

I believe in the principle of sowing and reaping. I sow more coz I want to receive more blessings. Consequently, receiving more blessings means giving more back to God. God says your “gift” must be in proportion to how much you have been given, Deuteronomy 16:17:

17 Each of you must bring a gift in proportion to the way the LORD your God has blessed you.

And for those who say na nailad ra ang mga tao na mo tithe and offer, it is better to judge not because you know not. If the leaders of the ministry mishandle the Church’s finances, the fruit will show.

I no longer want to argue about what % of our income we should give to God, whether as tithes or offerings. Ako ra ikasulti kay if you sow sparingly, you will reap sparingly. Also, I do not want to argue about which religion is right. I do not believe in this. Religion will never save us in the end. It is our faith and relationship with God. AMEN.

[amingb]

mao gyud nang mga lugara na wala ni follow sa doktrina catoliko... sakto ka dyan! wala gyud na sila ni follow sa amo teachings na NO TO ABORTION, NO TO *** BEFORE MARRIAGE mao tingali daghan sila kwarta noh? hala sige pagpakasala mo para managhan sad inyo kwarta.. ako pass lang ko ana...


tsk tsk tsk.. kamabaw sad nimo og gitukuran oi... mao ni sulti sa inyo pastor?

Mas daghan ug immoral sa Piinas kay daghan ug Roman Catholics ... mao na daghan cla kuarta kay gi blessed cla sa Ginoo. Meaning mas tarong cla nga tawo compare sa atoa.

[amingb]

hahaha u think its because sa catholic na religion or sa maga tao na tapulan na dawat lang limpyo?.. kinsa kaha ang religion na daghan charity sah?.. i wonder kaha ug kinsa na..

mao ba blessed dai na sa ginuo ang mga tao naa did2 like naa did2 tanan ang kabuang nahimo?...
like abotion is legal, devorce, etc... mao dai na natukod ang protestant ky mao na ila ways...

hahaha now i know...

hehehe...

Ang mga kabuang gipakita sa Movie raman intown na oi ... sa Reality dili mana tinood ...

Charity ang pinakadako nga charity c Bill Gates .... ang Vatican mas daghan pang kuarta ni Bill Gates pero unsay gi himo palabi ug Negosyo kay way tax . Naa na cla Plan paliton nila ang Ginoo.

[dartzed]

Ang mga kabuang gipakita sa Movie raman intown na oi ... sa Reality dili mana tinood ...

sure ka movie ra?..
f movie ra d ta na mabutang sa Law ang legalization sa devorce ug unsa pana dha..
usa pah masalida ba gud na if dili tinuod?..

Charity ang pinakadako nga charity c Bill Gates .... ang Vatican mas daghan pang kuarta ni Bill Gates pero unsay gi himo palabi ug Negosyo kay way tax . Naa na cla Plan paliton nila ang Ginoo.

ah i think were talking here about the religion which means the church y naa man si B. Gates?...

[amingb]

sure ka movie ra?..
f movie ra d ta na mabutang sa Law ang legalization sa devorce ug unsa pana dha..
usa pah masalida ba gud na if dili tinuod?..

ah i think were talking here about the religion which means the church y naa man si B. Gates?...

Ang pilipinas wala diay divorce nga naa man ... mao lagi ug tinod anay panang charity sa Vatican way gi gutom.