MERGED: MARTIAL LAW and related issues

[LytSlpr]

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gi-kawat the poeple knew estrada was guilty of the charges filed against him, and the opposition having covered up for him.

Yeah, by voting not to open the envelope. What triggered Estrada's ouster was not really the jueteng issue by Chavit Singson and the PCIB executive's testimony. They hid the truth/proof.

But in GMA's case the burden of proof is with the opposition not the other way around because the so called evidence is already out in the open. GMA doesn't even need to confirm or deny it but the opposition badly needs to prove it and since they are having a hard time they resort to propaganda instead of fighting in it court.

[FK]

if you know what trully transpired during the height of estrada's impeachment case, you could honestly say that the people put arroyo in power. [b]the poeple knew estrada was guilty of the charges filed against him[b], and the opposition having covered up for him.

how did you know? That was your opinion right? A mere public opinion... similar sa karon... Mas maka too pa ko sa accussation karon kay it is not just a whistleblower. It's her voice caught in the tape together with Garcillano.
Ang deperensiya lang jud ron... kay si GMA na. Sa ako pang pagka-ingon dili ang pagka immoral ang inyo gikalagotan... kundi ang taw mismo. Wala mo ga lagot sa tikas nga sala... kundi sa taw. Sige mo pasangil sa opposition nga personal interest ra ang gihuna-huna... panamin sa mo... kay pusta anay pa personal interest sab na inyoha ron.

[FK]

But in GMA's case the burden of proof is with the opposition not the other way around because the so called evidence is already out in the open. GMA doesn't even need to confirm or deny it but the opposition badly needs to prove it and since they are having a hard time they resort to propaganda instead of fighting in it court.

So you are convince that it was indeed GMA? Onsa ng gibuhat ron sa DOJ bai? Ni GMA mismo... nangayo ang uban sa inyang statement. Pero nagpakahilom siya.

Ang usa sa hinongdan bai ngano wala ni supporta kaau ang nag supporta sa EDSA II kay sila na man ang galingkod karon... the truth is they were not fighting for the truth they were fighting for their personal interest. Og dili sila kadawat nga ang ilang gibotaran nga matarong kono usa d i ka tikasan... Dili sila katulon sa tinuod.

[tempest]

To the "tape" or opposition supporters:

Obviously you want GMA to step down, and then what?! HUH?!

What is your master plan for our country? Please don't gave a vague answer just like the opposition politicians do when asked this question. Give specifics and details.

The question is not who will rule next but who will rule the VP who IMO is very "rule-able".

Let's be practical and radical about this. Didn't the FPJ camp cheat in the areas where they are not popular. I don't think so. I know so. So let's just say that GMA cheated, they are just pissed because she pulled a fast one over them. In short, the people crying for justice now also does not have the moral authority to cry wolf. I bet opposition supporters will say, "but we were not caught."

Worst possible scenario, GMA's camp will find a snitch linking the opposition to election fraud too. If that happens bye-bye investors. Our country will like be a small banca floating in the deep blue sea without any direction because of the "mud slinging party" in imperial Manila.
... but I don't think this president wants to stoop that low and play that kind of game. Worst case scenario is her keeping quiet about it forever but the last time I checked I think she promised to say something in due time. The possibilites are; she will deny that she was the one on that tape or she will deny cheating but will admit talking to Garci.

Eitherway, the opposition still won't be glad. She won't give them that pleasure. In the next scandal perhaps. A *** scandal this time para interesting, hehe!! How pathetic!

Your accusations that FPJ cheated in the elections are just hearsays; at most figment of your imagination.

On the other hand, that GMA cheated was rife during the counting. Now, this audiotape confirms she really did something fantastic during the elections. This tape is evidence. Admissible or not in court, it constitute a concrete smoking gun, a shameful revealation to what GMA did last elections.

If both GMA and Garcillano are innocent, they should have denied it a long time ago. They only said "they will answer it at a proper time." When The best time to answer it is now. Or they are planning some sinister scenarios.

They should be careful of what they are doing because the people are just watching seething in anger.

[LytSlpr]

Your accusations that FPJ cheated in the elections are just hearsays; at most figment of your imagination.

On the other hand, that GMA cheated was rife during the counting. Now, this audiotape confirms she really did something fantastic during the elections. This tape is evidence. Admissible or not in court, it constitute a concrete smoking gun, a shameful revealation to what GMA did last elections.

If both GMA and Garcillano are innocent, they should have denied it a long time ago. They only said "they will answer it at a proper time." When The best time to answer it is now. Or they are planning some sinister scenarios.

They should be careful of what they are doing because the people are just watching seething in anger.

I saw it with my 2 eyes. Are you insinuating that I'm a liar? You're pathetic! State your case and let's make a substantial bet. I'll bet my trust fund on that.

Whoever said it is already evidence? Define evidence... and why did the opposition come up with this tape just now?

They are invoking their right to remain silent. Do you think you know better than the people who authored the constitution?

What people are you talking about? If that so called people are angry right now let them go to the streets everyday and scream their lungs out. I challenge you to oust this president while I watch you in ANC coz there is absolutely no way this president is going down at least for the next 5 years. Wanna bet on that?

I bet that if this jueteng and tape scandal won't do the trick, they are seriously contemplating on assassinating the president. Sus, utak pa sa mga Estrada, Enrile, Honasan and iba pa.

The opposition are SO BITTER! WAHAHAHA!!!

[tempest]

Laugh till it last. Clavel Martinez is now defecting.

[LytSlpr]

Ang usa sa hinongdan bai ngano wala ni supporta kaau ang nag supporta sa EDSA II kay sila na man ang galingkod karon... the truth is they were not fighting for the truth they were fighting for their personal interest. Og dili sila kadawat nga ang ilang gibotaran nga matarong kono usa d i ka tikasan... Dili sila katulon sa tinuod.

What really is your point? You still don't get it? Everybody in government and politicians cheat. So what is your arguement? The people ousted Erap because he was SOOO corrupt already and for your pleasure, they installed GMA, a less corrupt official. There! Happy?

So what now? You want to change her with the likes of Erap or one of his cohorts again? What is it that you really want sir?

Our only point here is despite with what they got right now, they still can't put down GMA, period.

What else is there that you want to discuss further?

[LytSlpr]

Laugh till it last. Clavel Martinez is now defecting.

HUH?! She does not need to defect. She is opposition! Why? because of personal reasons influenced by local politics.

Didn't you know that? Try to find my previous post. Are you even from Cebu?

[PissKhanXXX]

how did you know? That was your opinion right? A mere public opinion... similar sa karon... Mas maka too pa ko sa accussation karon kay it is not just a whistleblower. It's her voice caught in the tape together with Garcillano.
Ang deperensiya lang jud ron... kay si GMA na. Sa ako pang pagka-ingon dili ang pagka immoral ang inyo gikalagotan... kundi ang taw mismo. Wala mo ga lagot sa tikas nga sala... kundi sa taw. Sige mo pasangil sa opposition nga personal interest ra ang gihuna-huna... panamin sa mo... kay pusta anay pa personal interest sab na inyoha ron.

it was the people who installed arroyo to her presidency. the people took it to the streets. erap's supporters took it to the streets, too, with pay. that being a fact that cannot be denied.

again, unless properly authenticated and proven in court, arroyo's voice on tape is nothing.

[tempest]

Solon regrets backing Arroyo as tempers fly in wiretap probe

First posted 06:17pm (Mla time) June 22, 2005
By Maila Ager
INQ7.net

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EMOTIONS ran high on the second day of the investigation by the House of Representatives on the wiretapping scandal involving President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, as a pro-administration legislator openly declared that she regretted campaigning, defending, and protecting the President.“I am sorry for what I did,” Cebu Representative Clavel Martinez said when House Deputy Speaker for Visayas Raul del Mar reminded her that they both defended Arroyo's votes during the May 2004 election.

Del Mar's remarks was prompted by Martinez's insistence that the investigating body should play the tapes allegedly showing that cheating also occurred in Cebu, which gave Arroyo over a million votes and ensured her victory.

“I campaigned for the President but now, looking back, I wonder if I did right,” Martinez said.Negros Oriental Representative Jacinto Paras, an opposition member, sided with Martinez and moved that the tapes be played in the hearing.

But pro-administration Representative Benasing Macarambon countered with a call for a quorum, irking Agusan del Sur Representative Rodolfo Plaza, an opposition member.

“What kind of Congress is this? Is this the Congress of the majority?” Plaza said.

It was at this point that Cavite Representative Gilbert Remulla, one of the chairmen of the five investigating committees, suspended the hearing.

After conferring with members of the committees, Macarambong withdrew his motion.

Looks like the scene is shaping like the 2nd estrada envelope. The shameless pro administration Congressmen have no qualms doing their delaying and foul tactics even in front national television.

I see the beginning of the end.