Covid-19 Vs Duterte

[hitch22]

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People don't have problems with lining up in a huge crowd gathering (for several hours with little social distancing) just to get relief goods & amelioration money. But if you go back to work in an office where there's much less people and it's easier to implement social distancing, they say you instantly get the corona virus. That's why they say, it's better and safer to gather around the barangay halls. Somehow, Covid-19 is scared of barangay halls.

[brownie]

Covid-19 FACTS:

1. Vibrates through solid concrete walls.
   
   
2. Turns your lungs into ovaltine.
   
   
3. 150% mortality rate, will bring you back to life and kill you again.
   
   
4. 100% confirmed to make anyone who comes into contact with it infertile, pops their inner organs like balloons, and gives them intense cravings for curly fries (which only activates the more fatal version of the disease).
   
   
5. Corona virus WILL kill you, it WILL kill your family, it WILL kill everyone you know, it WILL kill everyone on the planet, the 0.5%> death rate is going to randomly spike to 150% for no reason just wait I promise.
   
   
6. Anyone who breaks quarantine is already dead, they're double dead because they didn't stay inside, we're all going to laugh at them dying because they caught the wild coughing disease that kills everyone all the time everywhere hahaha!
   
   
7. Our ONLY option is to wait for Bill Gates to save us by injecting microchips into our weiners and stamping a barcode on our foreheads, only then can we be safe.

Seriously though... hospitals strictly ruling out that family members can't get near the ICU even if the patient dies but then local tv news casually walked in inside an ICU with a big ass camera together with his reporter and probably more gears for broadcasting behind them. And then they interview a nurse via Zoom moments later. The whole coverage where they show a clip of the ICU and the Zoom interview sparingly and repeatedly only shows how far and wide the deceitfulness of this pandemic. Everything you see on the tv now can be described in one tagalog word: pagsasadula. Fake ICU room. Fake patients. Fake frontliners.

Also, this is the Danish study that I mentioned a couple days ago which is still undergoing peer reviewing:

Blood donors comprise approximately 4.7% of the similarly aged population of Denmark and blood is donated in all areas of the country. The objective of this study was to perform real-time seroprevalence surveying among blood donors as a tool to estimate previous SARS-CoV-2 infections and the population based IFR. Methods: All Danish blood donors aged 17-69 years giving blood April 6 to 17 were tested for SARS-CoV-2 immunoglobulin M and G antibodies using a commercial lateral flow test. Antibody status was compared between areas and an estimate of the IFR was calculated. The seroprevalence was adjusted for assay sensitivity and specificity taking the uncertainties of the test validation into account when reporting the 95% confidence intervals (CI).

Results: The first 9,496 blood donors were tested and a combined adjusted seroprevalence of 1.7% (CI: 0.9-2.3) was calculated. The seroprevalence differed across areas. Using available data on fatalities and population numbers a combined IFR in patients younger than 70 is estimated at 82 per 100,000 (CI: 59-154) infections. Conclusions: The IFR was estimated to be slightly lower than previously reported from other countries not using seroprevalence data. The IFR, including individuals with no comorbidity, is likely several fold lower than the current estimate. This may have implications for risk mitigation. We have initiated real-time nationwide anti-SARS-CoV-2 seroprevalence surveying of blood donations as a tool in monitoring the epidemic.

Basing from that alone... IFR = 0.08% for people between 0-69 years of age. Very, very close to other published Scandinavian studies. The seasonal flu is laughing at this.

And to wrap things up, I think DU30 himself is fed up with the this lockdown. Corrupt hospitals here and there. I could mention what is actually happening inside Sotto, Chong Hua, CDH and Soccour but I'm afraid that would lead me to mods permabanning my account out of spite. The gov't is using abs-cbn as diversion to ease up the lockdown and rightfully so. Wala na sa uso ang covid19. Next issue na sad ta kay puol na.

[mikedebohol]

I was reading a news article on the planned reopening of the economy with the lifting of the quarantine, and many people are apprehensive about this move since our country has not done mass testing on the populace.

[firestarter]

Pointless getting good information from here.

[brownie]

I could rebut to some of these arguments your are pointing out.

> Thinks he can make some rebuttal
> Doesn't even understand Projected Growth
> Neglects PSE announcement
> Believes throwing rhetoric questions would make him sound eloquent
> Gets offended by a simple sarcasm: "no, ikaw ra" and calls it name calling lulz
> Must be a sheltered boomer who often chase for validation through fb likes


My reaction to your brain fart:

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update

In other news...

hahahaha ataya gyud aning Wuhan Health Organization oi... Sundon pa ninyo
ang EU di unta mo kastigohon ug maayo sa mga netizens.

Fake pandemic falls short because the Scandinavian scientists/doctors did not
buy in to their plan. Next time na sad.

[hitch22]

Just an observation. Under this ECQ/lockdown mode, we have those categorized as "essential businesses" operating. However, there seems to be vastly more infections in the group that's staying home...or even locked up 24/7 with security guards like those in jails. This fact alone should lead to a reflection on the role of general quarantines at this point in time, right? If the point of the matter is to avoid crowding, then why the heck do you make people gather around in huge numbers around barangay/city halls for the SAP? And then you turn around and beat someone in his own backyard for defending his maid who was watering the plants...and then they say the guy deserved it because he disrespected authority?

These self-righteous who go around telling people not to question mainstream ideas are dangerous. It's as if we already know what works despite facing something like this for the first time. Fact of the matter is these lockdowns will not get Covid cases back to zero, as far as the Philippines is concerned. You have to be dreaming if you think that that can be achieved. Second waves and more will be inevitable. You'll never know which asymptomatic individual could re-start the spread, and it only takes one. ECQ/Lockdowns only serve to postpone the time for Covid infections to run its course; and it will run its course. ECQ/Lockdowns are expensive, harmful to the economy and unsustainable. We're not Taiwan nor Hong Kong nor South Korea (nag second wave man gani sila); so we cannot hope to duplicate their success in containing this virus. To collapse our economy just for Covid is not worth it.

It's time to focus on treatment regimens and its protocols. There are treatment regimens/protocols out there that's effective such that the fatality rates have fallen way below one percent for those countries (after initially experiencing double digit death rates). Big pharma would like this pandemic to continue (and they've vigorously tried to discredit such rival treatment regimens) so they can sell their patented vaccines/drugs. Imagine investing billions in researching and developing vaccines/drugs only to find out that an existing cheap, patent-free drug is able to effectively treat (if treated early) Covid patients. That would be a nightmare for those pharmaceutical companies. HCQ/Zinc (and perhaps together with Azithromycin) are patent-free, cheap, and relatively safe and effective IF the patient is treated early and given the right dose. This is what's giving fits to Big Pharma.

Covid's gonna get you someday. And when we do have a treatment protocol (e.g. Turkey: HCQ/Az/Zinc for moderate to severe and Favipiravir for critical), you should get Covid, so that we all achieve herd immunity and stop being so scared. The goal is not a new normal; going back to NORMAL is the goal. Only those who wish to expand the powers of government and curtail your individual rights and freedoms in the guise of providing safety want this new normal. You want the government to take care of you, instead of you taking responsibility for your self? You'd rather line up in barangay halls where most reach the end of the line and get nothing? The socialist experiment has failed wherever it's been tried. Let's not go there and repeat those mistakes.

[firestarter]

> Thinks he can make some rebuttal
> Doesn't even understand Projected Growth
> Neglects PSE announcement
> Believes throwing rhetoric questions would make him sound eloquent
> Gets offended by a simple sarcasm: "no, ikaw ra" and calls it name calling lulz
> Must be a sheltered boomer who often chase for validation through fb likes


My reaction to your brain fart:

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update

In other news...

hahahaha ataya gyud aning Wuhan Health Organization oi... Sundon pa ninyo
ang EU di unta mo kastigohon ug maayo sa mga netizens.

Fake pandemic falls short because the Scandinavian scientists/doctors did not
buy in to their plan. Next time na sad.

So you are here to rant than to discuss.

Go on with your rant then, nothing to discuss here.

[brownie]

So you are here to rant than to discuss.

Go on with your rant then, nothing to discuss here.

> 6 pages worth of information
> Only two persons, so far, are actually contributing
> 1 rando named Syd_M suddenly got mad, tried to trash the thread down, #btfo4eternity
> 1 rando named firestarter attempted to start fire, gets btfo in a similar fashion

'sup yo!

[hitch22]

Netizens going around saying that Cebuanos are un-disciplined folks and that's why we're seeing a huge rise in Covid cases. I can tell you right now that staying at home will not spare you from Covid. Somebody will be delivering supplies to your doorstep and you have to meet that delivery guy to receive your orders. That contact alone puts you at risk. That was how inmates in perfect lockdowns like in our jails got Covid, and they even have 24/7 guards screening visitors.

Lockdowns are effective WHEN you do it EARLY. From the looks of it, the Philippines was already in a community outbreak status when we started locking down. That's already too late. The virus will run its course from hereon in, no matter what you do. There'll be second waves in the NCR and even Cebu. And lockdowns will prove to be a huge waste of time, money and lives (more harm than the virus itself). The WHO lulled everyone to complacency when they announced that the Wuhan virus wasn't transmitted human-to-human. And then there were these activists warning everyone about Xenophobia if any country starts banning people from China from entering country. These people could've prevented this pandemic and now they have the gall to write guidelines for the world to follow.

The Taiwan model can't be copied because they did it early and they had the experience with SARS 1 (so the Taiwanese were well prepared this time). Hong Kong was well-prepared too. Both of whom curiously were in anti-China mode at that time (Taiwan historically and Hong Kong from the protests).

Forget about lockdowns. Continue with social distancing, universal masking (plus face shields, if possible), and hand-washing to minimize risk of infection. And when infected, our healthcare system should adopt an effective treatment protocol; it's not going to be a single drug. It's going to be a cocktail of drugs, some of which to be administered depending on severity levels. One thing about Covid-19 is this: for the first 5-6 days of getting the symptom, the viral load in an infected person is pretty much stable. On the 7th day or so, it spreads like a wildfire (the dreaded "cytokine storm"). People with compromised immune systems will be severely at risk. here. Turkey uses HCQ+Zinc+Az when the person is still in the early stages of the symptoms and favipiravir (the Japanese broad-spectrum anti-viral) for the critical ones.

[slakker]

daog na si pdut, wala kaabot 1000 ang deaths...