Hello Deism

[noy]

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kaning mga common nga Déjà vu noy, also kanang maka remember kag place nga maka ingon ko og naka anhi naman ko which is wala pa jud nako naadtoan. its like a memory from the past nga dili experience sa imong current life/body. ako lang gi connect ako mga experiences.

or could be just Cryptomnesia.

also pagkamatay sa akong erpats i was in the hospital looking at him transformed into a cold corpse,. iyang left hand mo reach sa taas like naay mo bira niya sa taas while gasping for air, it is like something is leaving the body and its making the body pale and cold. for me, it has to be a soul (leaving) and i was saying to myself while looking at my father's corpse that it is not him anymore, he has already left this body...

same thing happened to my grandpa, before he died, sigeg sulti nga gikuha na daw siya sa iyang mga parente who have long passed before him. I dunno unsa ka tinuod but you know, could all be hallucinations given the pre conceived ideas about seeing our departed loved ones when we leave this world.

ikaw noy can you imagine yourself when you die and where will you go? do we sleep into eternal sleep? or are we going to return to earth as a new person? ako, i cant imagine myself "ending" there has to be a way for me to start back, it;s like a cycle ba and that's what is keeping this earth occupied, we repeat until we evolve. i dont have any studies or evidence to back this up, maka ingon lang kag adik adik man guru ko hehehehehe but meh, we all have our ways to live. so whatever floats your boat is fine for me

hahaha valid ra man gud na bisag unsang tinuhoan as long as we don't shove it on other people's throats and wa ta nakasakit sa ubnag tao.. joke ra tong shabu2x blue hap...hahahahahha anyway, as for me when I die murag di nako ganahan mubalik ug ka tao oi kakapuy ra dah. mao I try to live this one I'm in the most kay possible jud nga wala ra nig ka human ani tanan..haha

[noy]

Yeah, I’m done with bible bro. I don’t really care about it nowadays. But its different versions really made me question what should I read and believe. Until I doubt its compilation. I ended up closig it. Hehe.

hahahaha! well, just thought you should know.

[NapoleonBlownapart]

maybe the next step in human evolution is to become a soul? by then maybe we could see god.hehehehe

di man na evolution noy murag death man na

[necrotic freak]

I miss this kind of thread/topic

Ka remember ko sa old S&O thread sauna. nga murag ako nalang tingali nagpabilin diri sa istorya.net nga active gihapon hehe. katong mga atheists (akong kalalis) diri way back 2004-2007 asa na kaha to sila? wala naman ko kita sa ilang post or nagbago ba kaha ug username. hehe

Pero ako I still believe in personal God or bakaha personal Angel tingali ni nako. hehe

More on spirituality pod ko rather than religious. Though I still worship the Holy Eucharist but not a devoted catholic

Thanks for this thread boss noy!

[THE KID]

kung tinuod to ang Martyrs nga salida...maau sad i hikog...hehehhe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrs_(2008_film)

[NapoleonBlownapart]

He knows better, you say, can you explain to me what his ways then? I may not be of the same level to God but maybe at least he can be more concern to what his people needs. I don’t know maybe his working behind spotlights, I really don’t know. But why can’t he just tell us directly to our faces that he wants us to do this and do that. I would be more than willing to be his slave and do whatever he wants. Why go through a lot of curve paths when he can do it directly. I just don’t understand.

No, I'm sorry there are a lot of things that I don't know and will not be able to know in this short lifetime. How can my finite mind contain the infinite? We already know what He wants us to do in the Bible why is it not sufficient? Kung madakpan ta kay pataka tag panigarilyo maka rason d.i ta nga "well I've read that no smoking sign over there but nobody told me in my face not to do that"? I think that's just us making an excuse.

The only version close to the original hebrew version of the bible is KJV.

Says who? KJV was heavily based upon the Vulgate which is Latin, that was based upon the Septuagint. The Septuagint was a translation of the Hebrew bible to Greek. That's not very close. The newer translation is closer since it's translated directly from Hebrew(OT) and Koine Greek(NT) to English.

Also the original compilation was followed by protestants. Other than that theres the catholic, then the mormons. Who have chapters added to them I don’t know with Iglesia and Jehova. I just can’t stand that even in christianity itself there exist this division. That no matter how much you say you’re worshipping the same God yet they debate within themselves who is better. Plus the politics and we blame humanity again for that.

Mormons, INC, and Jehova's Witness are considered cult groups so there should be a division between them and true Christianity. They have a different god. Again truth divides. If you love truth, you don't embrace falsehood.

There is. But how do you prove that yours is the truth and not the islams or hindus truth?

There are only two types of religion in the world. Religion of works and religion of grace. While all other religions say do this and you'll be rewarded or go to heaven, Christianity's message is unique for it says you can't go to heaven by virtue of your merit, it is upon grace.

How do you prove the power of the God of christianity if the God of islam shows the same power.

No they don't. One objection thrown against Christians by Muslims is in the epistle of John where he said God is love. Love is not an attribute of Allah for there was a time where Allah did not love, that is before creation, for there is no one to love. Christians say God is love and before creation He loves. It only makes sense in Christianity because our God is triune.

How do you prove the genuinity of your God if both christian and muslim God grant prayers? What if the muslims are right? And yours is wrong? You would suffer condemnation because the muslims were right. Would you blame yourself for not being born muslim, for not listnening to islams teachings or would you blame allah for not showing you the truth clearly?

I can compare what the Apostles did what Mohammad did and I can confidently say nope Muhammad is not a prophet from God. Islam spread through conquest, Christianity spread in spite of persecution.

The same applies if your truth is the truth. Stop blaming humanity for it. Its our nature. We have limited minds. Blame someone who surpasses our being human yet not doing anything to at least make things clearer.

We have finite minds yes but it's not as though we can't understand what God's message is for us. Christians have preached it for 2000 years. The no smoking sign is there and it's not vague yet you still smoke, why won't I blame you?

[Ivan James]

No, I'm sorry there are a lot of things that I don't know and will not be able to know in this short lifetime. How can my finite mind contain the infinite? We already know what He wants us to do in the Bible why is it not sufficient? Kung madakpan ta kay pataka tag panigarilyo maka rason d.i ta nga "well I've read that no smoking sign over there but nobody told me in my face not to do that"? I think that's just us making an excuse.

But bro the problem is, what is the authority of the bible? At what assurance that the book is not just an ordinary history book or an ancient story book? I want God to reveal that to me. I want the assurance that if I follow this book. I'm not gonna be condemn. Why the bible and not the quran? Not any other books.

Says who? KJV was heavily based upon the Vulgate which is Latin, that was based upon the Septuagint. The Septuagint was a translation of the Hebrew bible to Greek. That's not very close. The newer translation is closer since it's translated directly from Hebrew(OT) and Koine Greek(NT) to English.

Ok then. So tell me then what is the original compilation of the bible? What books comprises it? Then are catholics considered cults too? Since they make a lot of changes in the bible. Look are you not wandering if your bible is the exact translation? Human nature, we can make mistakes. Or haven't you wandered what if the original books are collected and compiled for the benefit only of the church and not of God. Again human greed.

Mormons, INC, and Jehova's Witness are considered cult groups so there should be a division between them and true Christianity. They have a different god. Again truth divides. If you love truth, you don't embrace falsehood.

So can you assure me the ultimate truth? at what grounds you consider things false? If you're gonna tell me the bible then what is the authority of the bible?

There are only two types of religion in the world. Religion of works and religion of grace. While all other religions say do this and you'll be rewarded or go to heaven, Christianity's message is unique for it says you can't go to heaven by virtue of your merit, it is upon grace.

come on man, how do you receive that grace? By believing and following christ. Can we receive that grace without following christ. It's for free right. Can we just have that grace without anything in return?

No they don't. One objection thrown against Christians by Muslims is in the epistle of John where he said God is love. Love is not an attribute of Allah for there was a time where Allah did not love, that is before creation, for there is no one to love. Christians say God is love and before creation He loves. It only makes sense in Christianity because our God is triune.

So why there are still muslims? Do you know why are you sticking with your religion? other than because your belief is different. Is it tradition? Or maybe because you can feel your god working. What if I tell you my muslim friend felt the same way too, His God is also living. Does that mean allah and your god both exist, or maybe islams god and your god is the same god. What do you think? But the bible claims, your god is the only God. does that disprove your bible then?

I can compare what the Apostles did what Mohammad did and I can confidently say nope Muhammad is not a prophet from God. Islam spread through conquest, Christianity spread in spite of persecution.

Actually, I'm not a fan of both religions. I respect them yes. I am just skeptical of the anthropomorphic gods.

We have finite minds yes but it's not as though we can't understand what God's message is for us. Christians have preached it for 2000 years. The no smoking sign is there and it's not vague yet you still smoke, why won't I blame you?

Because I still couldn't find the authority of the bible bro.

Bro I'm this is really a good discussion. I'm not trying to argue. I respect everything you're saying here. I just want to ask questions. I'll try to answer the best way also.

[NapoleonBlownapart]

But bro the problem is, what is the authority of the bible? At what assurance that the book is not just an ordinary history book or an ancient story book? I want God to reveal that to me. I want the assurance that if I follow this book. I'm not gonna be condemn. Why the bible and not the quran? Not any other books.

Jesus claimed to be the only Son of God and rose from the dead. He used the Tanakh not the Quran. We have the teachings of his disciples who through the confirmation of the miracles proved to be sent by God. The thousands of martyrs who follow Christ to the death rejoicing in the hope that they have in Him is not enough? The problem that I see here is the Romans 1 problem. It's not the lack of evidence or knowledge but the suppression of it.

Ok then. So tell me then what is the original compilation of the bible? What books comprises it? Then are catholics considered cults too?

No we agree on the central teaching about God. Basically the bible is a compilation of writings written by about 40 different authors in a span of 1500 years with a coherent teaching. The Jews had their Tanakh as Scripture and Jesus taught and read it in the Synagogues. We add the writings of the Apostles(27 books) in the NT. I think it would be best that you study how the bible came to be and the authority and inspiration of the bible. Lots of materials online.

Since they make a lot of changes in the bible. Look are you not wandering if your bible is the exact translation? Human nature, we can make mistakes. Or haven't you wandered what if the original books are collected and compiled for the benefit only of the church and not of God. Again human greed.

By changes you're referring to? If you're saying change in meaning, no they don't. We have copies of copies of copies that testify to that. There are errors but its typographical and very minimal. Scholars use a method called textual criticism to determine these errors. The books of the bible has the most number of manuscripts that we have for ancient literature.

come on man, how do you receive that grace? By believing and following christ. Can we receive that grace without following christ. It's for free right. Can we just have that grace without anything in return?

God bestows it to anyone whom He is pleased to bestow it. He said I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. You can't require or demand it from God. You don't receive grace by believing and following Christ because grace is, by definition, undeserved favor. If by believing and following you receive something that's no longer grace because you received it by virtue of your merit(believing and following). Sa ako na giingon mao na basically ang idea sa religion of works but in Christianity it's not works but grace. It is by grace that you believe and follow. Faith and repentance is consequential to grace not grace as a consequence to faith and repentance.

So why there are still muslims?

Why not?

Do you know why are you sticking with your religion? other than because your belief is different. Is it tradition? Or maybe because you can feel your god working. What if I tell you my muslim friend felt the same way too, His God is also living. Does that mean allah and your god both exist, or maybe islams god and your god is the same god. What do you think? But the bible claims, your god is the only God. does that disprove your bible then?

I don't believe believe my God exist because I FEEL God exist, though as unfortunate as it is I won't deny some Christians use this as "proof". As I said above si Jesus ang nakalahi. My faith rests on the claims of Jesus and this truth is watered by the blood of Saints. No one would be willing to die for something that they know is not true. That is for sure.

Bro I'm this is really a good discussion. I'm not trying to argue. I respect everything you're saying here. I just want to ask questions. I'll try to answer the best way also.

Sure you are and I am as well

[tsunade]

GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.
EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.
EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.
LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing.
NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.
2SA 22:7-8 (KJV) "I called to the Lord; ... he heard my voice; ... The earth trembled and quaked, ... because he was angry. Smoke came from his nostrils. Consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it."
EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. "... who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him."

2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is love.
GA 5:22-23 The fruit of the Spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

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GE 19:30-38 While he is drunk, Lot's two daughters "lie with him," become pregnant, and give birth to his offspring.
2PE 2:7 Lot was "just" and "righteous."

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EX 12:13 The Israelites have to mark their houses with blood in order for God to see which houses they occupy and "pass over" them.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from God.

NU 11:33 God inflicts sickness.
JB 2:7 Satan inflicts sickness.

consistent ang Bible, masdaghan pa ug contradiction kay sa Marvel Movies.

[NapoleonBlownapart]

GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.
EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.
EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.
LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing.
NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.
2SA 22:7-8 (KJV) "I called to the Lord; ... he heard my voice; ... The earth trembled and quaked, ... because he was angry. Smoke came from his nostrils. Consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it."
EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. "... who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him."

2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is love.
GA 5:22-23 The fruit of the Spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

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GE 19:30-38 While he is drunk, Lot's two daughters "lie with him," become pregnant, and give birth to his offspring.
2PE 2:7 Lot was "just" and "righteous."

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EX 12:13 The Israelites have to mark their houses with blood in order for God to see which houses they occupy and "pass over" them.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from God.

NU 11:33 God inflicts sickness.
JB 2:7 Satan inflicts sickness.

consistent ang Bible, masdaghan pa ug contradiction kay sa Marvel Movies.

These contradictions are just the result when we don't study the bible very carefully. Most if not all of these "contradictions" have been addressed.