Gospel of Judas debunked!

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

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bro, di lang ko mu argue nimu dihang dapita ha..kung sakto man gani ni among gituhoan as Christian
kay di pud cguro mi ingnun sa Ginoo nga wa ka namu istoryahe dba? kay kung kabantay ka...
cge tag balik2x anang mga butanga ...ok ra na jovs, happy na bitaw ka dba?... so why continue to question?

maypa si Hudas atong tukion nganhi...para di ta OT

ok bro. ask ko nimo bro, sa imong hunahuna, nakabalo na si Jesus unsay mahitabo niya? is there are need pa ni Judas para siya dakpon?

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

when you think about it naa may point si @jovi..

ang pina ka timailhan gyud about authenticity like this Gospel of Judas is the same or similar ra sa uban nga teachings. gikan pa ni Moses, ni David, Buddha, Muhammad ug tanan nga messengers ni God pare pareha ra tanan ky usa ra man ang source: GOD. now, naay tsimis nga naa gibuhat ang Rome sa original teachings ni Jesus, daghan ang wa giinclude sa bible nya naa gipang usab ang original teachings para makahimo sila ug ilang version sa christianity combination with paganism. makita nimo ang paganism sa Rome before sa Council of Nicea ug sa bag-o nilang gihimo nga christianity pare pareha ra except ang idols ky saints na, naa na pud sila daan trinity unya wa sila kasabot sa tinooray nga meaning Father-Son-Holy Spirit nga trinity ilaha pud gi adopt. ang wala nila mahibaw-i nga naay secret group before pa ni Moses, Moses hangtud ni Jesus, Jesus' disciples including Judas and hangtud karon and aside ana, ang kani nga group gi pang bury nila before ang original teachings like Gospel of Judas, Mary Magdalene, Thomas just in case ma erase ang group ky plano man ni satanas using Rome nga ma erase ni nga group. but all the records were saved na daan somewhere nga only messengers and few of their disciples lng ang maka access.

And ang wala masabti sa scholars sa Rome nga nagmanipulate ang nagfinalize sa bible, daghan code ang naa sa bible that only the secret group can decode and can understand. this group is even mentioned in the bible:

The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding' (Mark 4:11-12)

"He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance." (Matt. 13:11-12)

"We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began." (1 Cor. 2:6-8 )

[noy]

of course bro, kahibaw siya, Judas' betrayal have been forseen by God..
but his betrayal is techincally not of God, but of the Devil..the Devil knew about
the messianic prophecy, He knew who Jesus was that He is the overcomer and redeemer...
but He just didn't know how, and in what way Jesus will save humanity..
and the Devil also knew that the Jewish priest are aiming to kill Jesus..
it could have been anyone else from the 12 apostles man gani cguro...

what the Devil did not know is that if Jesus died and sacrificed Himself people will be set free from
the bondage of sin..

Judas' betrayal was of no difference to the times that we have to fall
in order to get back up..the same concpet applies that our failures eventually blesses others..
only Judas chose to reamain guilty..
unlike peter and the others, they claimed Jesus' forgiveness...
Christ died for everyone, His salvation and forgiveness is for everyone...
even for Judas. so kung muingun ta nga Judas played an essential role hence making him something greater in the eyes of men and God, like what the gospel of Judas implies then i don't agree with it...murag di jud na katuhoan
'cause we are all like Judas in our own ways, betraying God...
and Judas could have claimed his forgiveness like everybody else...
but maybe he did...who knows...di ta ka judge niya

[noy]

ang pina ka timailhan gyud about authenticity like this Gospel of Judas is the same or similar ra sa uban nga teachings. gikan pa ni Moses, ni David, Buddha, Muhammad ug tanan nga messengers ni God pare pareha ra tanan ky usa ra man ang source: GOD. now, naay tsimis nga naa gibuhat ang Rome sa original teachings ni Jesus, daghan ang wa giinclude sa bible nya naa gipang usab ang original teachings para makahimo sila ug ilang version sa christianity combination with paganism. makita nimo ang paganism sa Rome before sa Council of Nicea ug sa bag-o nilang gihimo nga christianity pare pareha ra except ang idols ky saints na, naa na pud sila daan trinity unya wa sila kasabot sa tinooray nga meaning Father-Son-Holy Spirit nga trinity ilaha pud gi adopt. ang wala nila mahibaw-i nga naay secret group before pa ni Moses, Moses hangtud ni Jesus, Jesus' disciples including Judas and hangtud karon and aside ana, ang kani nga group gi pang bury nila before ang original teachings like Gospel of Judas, Mary Magdalene, Thomas just in case ma erase ang group ky plano man ni satanas using Rome nga ma erase ni nga group. but all the records were saved na daan somewhere nga only messengers and few of their disciples lng ang maka access.

And ang wala masabti sa scholars sa Rome nga nagmanipulate ang nagfinalize sa bible, daghan code ang naa sa bible that only the secret group can decode and can understand. this group is even mentioned in the bible:

The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding' (Mark 4:11-12)

"He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance." (Matt. 13:11-12)

"We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began." (1 Cor. 2:6-8 )

jovs, you keep qouting that the vatican changed the transalations of the orginal texts...
apparently you keep qouting them using your own interpretation pud..

i think hilig man jud kag search2x...try to search the reason how the new testament of the bible was compiled..
i'm sure you'd get some answers.

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

of course bro, kahibaw siya, Judas' betrayal have been forseen by God..
but his betrayal is techincally not of God, but of the Devil..the Devil knew about
the messianic prophecy, He knew who Jesus was that He is the overcomer and redeemer...
but He just didn't know how, and in what way Jesus will save humanity..
and the Devil also knew that the Jewish priest are aiming to kill Jesus..
it could have been anyone else from the 12 apostles man gani cguro...

what the Devil did not know is that if Jesus died and sacrificed Himself people will be set free from
the bondage of sin..

Judas' betrayal was of no difference to the times that we have to fall
in order to get back up..the same concpet applies that our failures eventuall blesses others..
only Judas chose to reamain guilty..
unlike peter and the others, they claimed Jesus' forgiveness...
Christ died for everyone, His salvation and forgiveness is for everyone...
even for Judas. so kung muingun ta nga Judas played an essential role heence making him something greater in the eyes of men
like what the gospel of Judas implies then i don't agree with it...
'cause we are all like Judas in our own ways, betraying God...
and Judas could have claimed his forgiveness like everybody else...
but maybe he did...who knows...di ta ka judge niya

for me bro, there is no need for Judas na, bec of the power of Jesus, he knew that he would be arrested and did not even evade the arrest bec he is not afraid to die fulfilling his mission that God gave him. But Jesus did not die on the cross to save mankind. He was willing to die for God and for his mission.

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

jovs, you keep qouting that the vatican changed the transalations of the orginal texts...
apparently you keep qouting them using your own interpretation pud..

i think hilig man jud kag search2x...try to search the reason how the new testament of the bible was compiled..
i'm sure you'd get some answers.

you can check it bro, paganism of rome before council of nicea and the new christianity that they created, you can see the similarities. another reason pud bro, is that those scholars are not disciples and don't belong to the group that i mentioned in the previous post, so they don't know how to decode the bible and they don't know the original teachings so prone pud siya sa misinterpretations.

[noy]

for me bro, there is no need for Judas na, bec of the power of Jesus, he knew that he would be arrested and did not even evade the arrest bec he is not afraid to die fulfilling his mission that God gave him. But Jesus did not die on the cross to save mankind. He was willing to die for God and for his mission.

again, that's your opinion.
if i were to ask you in manner of percentage...
of course not basing from your research and POV.'cause obviously sure najud kaau ka..
but the knowledge and records this world holds about Jesus as the Son of God..
about the bible as the book that records His passion and salvation in terms of authenticity
(historically,theologically,logcally,scientific proofs)

how many percent do you think you know jovs? 'cause your claims about vatican's manipulation...different interpretations about the gospels, and esp about Jesus not being the Son of God...aside from being OT
well let's say "life or faith chanigng".. if taken from a positive point of view...
'cause i hope you realize that with your claims..thousands of lives sacrificed for the gospel in martyrdom
are suppose to go in vain..


so how many percent bro?(world records and accounts about Jesus being the Son of God).

[Xian120]

ang pina ka timailhan gyud about authenticity like this Gospel of Judas is the same or similar ra sa uban nga teachings. gikan pa ni Moses, ni David, Buddha, Muhammad ug tanan nga messengers ni God pare pareha ra tanan ky usa ra man ang source: GOD. now, naay tsimis nga naa gibuhat ang Rome sa original teachings ni Jesus, daghan ang wa giinclude sa bible nya naa gipang usab ang original teachings para makahimo sila ug ilang version sa christianity combination with paganism. makita nimo ang paganism sa Rome before sa Council of Nicea ug sa bag-o nilang gihimo nga christianity pare pareha ra except ang idols ky saints na, naa na pud sila daan trinity unya wa sila kasabot sa tinooray nga meaning Father-Son-Holy Spirit nga trinity ilaha pud gi adopt. ang wala nila mahibaw-i nga naay secret group before pa ni Moses, Moses hangtud ni Jesus, Jesus' disciples including Judas and hangtud karon and aside ana, ang kani nga group gi pang bury nila before ang original teachings like Gospel of Judas, Mary Magdalene, Thomas just in case ma erase ang group ky plano man ni satanas using Rome nga ma erase ni nga group. but all the records were saved na daan somewhere nga only messengers and few of their disciples lng ang maka access.

And ang wala masabti sa scholars sa Rome nga nagmanipulate ang nagfinalize sa bible, daghan code ang naa sa bible that only the secret group can decode and can understand. this group is even mentioned in the bible:

The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding' (Mark 4:11-12)

"He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance." (Matt. 13:11-12)

"We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began." (1 Cor. 2:6-8 )

ya, if im not mistaken and do correct me if im wrong, dba si constantine to ang kinaunhan nga nag pronounce to make Christianity the religion of Rome? but he himself was not a Christian, not until he was about to die,. i think ang iyang agenda ato is to unite Rome and it's people kay before siya nahimo nga emperor nabahin man to ang Rome into two parts tungod ni Diocletian,. Siya sad dba ang nag organize sa Council of Nicea? wherein nag debate2 ang mga bishops about atong Trinity kay sauna wala man toy klaro ang Kristyanismo, nagkadaiya rman ang mga rituals nila sauna ug belief, wa pman sad gud na compile ang New Testament ato nga time..

but i dont know about anang decode2, ang akong nahibaw-an is si Iraneus ang nag proclaim anang mga Gnostic Gospels as a threat to Christianity.. what i know is Gipilian na nila ug maayo kong unsa ang mga Gospels nga maoy ganahan sa mga tawo kay nagkadaiya man lang to ang mga versions sauna, and ang kanang upat ang nigawas nga maoy paborito sa kadaghanan so mao na ang ilang gipili..

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

again, that's your opinion.
if i were to ask you in manner of percentage...
of course not basing from your research and POV.'cause obviously sure najud kaau ka..
but the knowledge and records this world holds about Jesus as the Son of God..
about the bible as the book that records His passion and salvation in terms of authenticity
(historically,theologically,logcally,scientific proofs)

how many percent do you think you know jovs? 'cause your claims about vatican's manipulation...different interpretations about the gospels, and esp about Jesus not being the Son of God...aside from being OT
well let's say "life or faith chanigng".. if taken from a positive point of view...
'cause i hope you realize that with your claims..thousands of lives sacrificed for the gospel in martyrdom
are suppose to go in vain..


so how many percent bro?(world records and accounts about Jesus being the Son of God).

last OT: we are all sons and daughters of God bro, it is not only Jesus. kaning gitudlo karon sa christianity strip christians of the right of being sons and daughters of God, Jesus and all other God's messengers taught that we are... but as long as a person remembers that he is a soul, di na siya madala ana nga mga false teachings. that's why it is important to have no ego and no desires so that there is no physical attachments and that a person can remember who he really is and his true relationship with God.

[noy]

the apostles creed was a declaration of faith by early christians..para usa ra ang pagtuo tanan...
which of course is still based on the writings of the first hand witnesses...

regarding sa pagpili sa books nga basehan, well di jud ko 100% sure ha...but sa akong research and
what is also generally advised by churches kay they are basing the books by dates...
kung naay pareha ra ug content...mas pilion to nila ang pinaka duol nga nasuwat..
and in later times...it was also confirmed by carbon dating...which states nga
ang mga new testament accounts were written sometime in 50-100AD..
other books which are of the same content are not included 'cause aside from same ra ug content
they were written in the 200AD..plus naa puy mga books nga ning contradict sa mga accepted nga wala pud nila gidawat
kay aside sa ning contradict...the date that it was written was also a big question, esp that they were written sa time nga sikat kaau ang Christianity...and again dates were confirmed by carbon dating