MERGED: All about the HIGGS BOSON discovery and related topics

[noy]

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if mao ni ang first quark, without God(the creator) we will always wonder what caused the first cause..
murag nothing exploded and became something when there was nothing to begin with..

anyway, Kudos to the scientific community for having reached this far in terms of discoveries...
But for those who say God does not exist for we have discovered the first quark..think again,
there wouldn't be a first quark unless there's a cause...
everything we know and see today always have a cause which results to everything we know of.
it will be a violation to the natural process if we say everything started with this discovery without any cause at all.

[Vundaboi]

if mao ni ang first quark, without God(the creator) we will always wonder what caused the first cause..
murag nothing exploded and became something when there was nothing to begin with..

anyway, Kudos to the scientific community for having reached this far in terms of discoveries...
But for those who say God does not exist for we have discovered the first quark..think again,
there wouldn't be a first quark unless there's a cause...
everything we know and see today always have a cause which results to everything we know of.
it will be a violation to the natural process if we say everything started with this discovery without any cause at all.

OT: Anyway, this is the science board, where beliefs and faith have no place in. Discussions on gods are best confined in the General Discussions section I think.

[noy]

OT: Anyway, this is the science board, where beliefs and faith have no place in. Discussions on gods are best confined in the General Discussions section I think.

easy, cause God is God and the universe isn't. God is still God without the universe, the universe can't stand on its own glory without a creator..
before one concludes God is inexistent, it is best to know what caused the first quark? why should there be a first quark? and how is it that everything we see is an effect of something that doesn't have a first cause? is that even reconcilable?

the title alone reasons why God will always be included in these type of discussions may it be in the Science thread or elsewhere
We are talking talking about Creation and the First cause, would you say yes we are but from a scientific perspective alone?..
if so, how sure are you then that Science is something that opposes or should oppose God?
is Science solely for Atheists?

at one point of view
the amazing discoveries about cause and effect, purpose, specific results from nature's random selection
generally the beauty of creation points out to a creator who is infinite and is screaming Halellujah gazillion times louder than a Heavy Metal Rock Band.

[ishmot0i]

^noy idol

[Vundaboi]

easy, cause God is God and the universe isn't. God is still God without the universe, the universe can't stand on its own glory without a creator..
before one concludes God is inexistent, it is best to know what caused the first quark? why should there be a first quark? and how is it that everything we see is an effect of something that doesn't have a first cause? is that even reconcilable?

the title alone reasons why God will always be included in these type of discussions may it be in the Science thread or elsewhere
We are talking talking about Creation and the First cause, would you say yes we are but from a scientific perspective alone?..
if so, how sure are you then that Science is something that opposes or should oppose God?
is Science solely for Atheists

If you had actually bothered to read about the Higgs boson, you'd have known why it's called the God particle, why the nickname is nothing but hyperbole, and how scientists actually point out that its discovery doesn't explain the origin of the universe. This board calls for people to read, to sate their curiosity, and instead of relying on God, find answers to questions using the scientific method.

No, science or the scientific way of thinking isn't exclusive to atheists, but this board isn't the place to talk about gods or the supernatural.

Please see the rules and regulations of this board. Here, I'll give you a snippet.

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So please, I urge you to stop before you receive an infraction or worse, a mute or ban.

[noy]

so basically this section allows one point of view in Science.

the God-particle obviously is a hyperbole, mao bitaw ang akong first post ani nga thread was a question
asking if this answers the First cause?
as God is believed to be the creator while the boson is labeled as
the god particle, the missing link in the origin of creation..

and mao bitaw gitawag nig "god particle" as it is assumed to be the cause of the universe..
therefore the thread actually talks about creation...now as what you said, dili pwede ang other POV diri kay way proof(actually there are proofs but dili lang accepted sa mga di mutoo, which is natural)

God may not be scientific to those who don't believe in God, not because Science cannot connect with God
but the reason perhaps is we do not know everything about Science just yet.
so good luck in finding the answers..

However,i see your point and in respect with the Rules i will no longer state my case Lol
Thank you by the way

[cebugdev]

so basically this section allows one point of view in Science.

the God-particle obviously is a hyperbole, mao bitaw ang akong first post ani nga thread was a question
asking if this answers the First cause?
as God is believed to be the creator while the boson is labeled as
the god particle, the missing link in the origin of creation..

and mao bitaw gitawag nig "god particle" as it is assumed to be the cause of the universe..
therefore the thread actually talks about creation...now as what you said, dili pwede ang other POV diri kay way proof(actually there are proofs but dili lang accepted sa mga di mutoo, which is natural)

God may not be scientific to those who don't believe in God, not because Science cannot connect with God
but the reason perhaps is we do not know everything about Science just yet.
so good luck in finding the answers..

However,i see your point and in respect with the Rules i will no longer state my case Lol
Thank you by the way

the naming of "God particle" is not official, isa ra ka author ang nag hype sa boson and called it that way, while the rest of scientific community disagree with the naming, the media catches on the name to make it more sensational.
so there, that particle is not what you think as the "cause" of the universe, if you understand what that boson do, it does not even relate to any creation stuff, that boson only explain why "objects" can have a mass on it.

[noy]

the naming of "God particle" is not official, isa ra ka author ang nag hype sa boson and called it that way, while the rest of scientific community disagree with the naming, the media catches on the name to make it more sensational.
so there, that particle is not what you think as the "cause" of the universe, if you understand what that boson do, it does not even relate to any creation stuff, that boson only explain why "objects" can have a mass on it.

as the thread suggests, title:god particle, TS' comment: tinuod ni?
so i asked: does this answer the first cause? mao ra..

there has been a gap in the fullness of the creation story, that's why the term god of the gaps came in to place...
as a redicule to those people who would say perhaps God caused it when no explaination is found Lol
then later ning gawas ning god particle(though dili ni official name)
matud pa nimu it doesn't have anything to do with creation ra diay?
it makes perfect sense.

[nusm1991]

easy, cause God is God and the universe isn't. God is still God without the universe, the universe can't stand on its own glory without a creator..
before one concludes God is inexistent, it is best to know what caused the first quark? why should there be a first quark? and how is it that everything we see is an effect of something that doesn't have a first cause? is that even reconcilable?

the title alone reasons why God will always be included in these type of discussions may it be in the Science thread or elsewhere
We are talking talking about Creation and the First cause, would you say yes we are but from a scientific perspective alone?..
if so, how sure are you then that Science is something that opposes or should oppose God?
is Science solely for Atheists?

at one point of view
the amazing discoveries about cause and effect, purpose, specific results from nature's random selection
generally the beauty of creation points out to a creator who is infinite and is screaming Halellujah gazillion times louder than a Heavy Metal Rock Band.

nickname raman nang "God Particle" sa Higgs Boson brad. Actually, it was "Goddamn Particle" but the editor didn't like it, so it was changed as "God Particle"; it is nothing but a place holder term and it has nothing to do with God. If the publisher named it "Barbie Particle" then there would be no God Particle at all, but Barbie Particle. And siguro biological rajud na sa tao nga mangita ug cause sa tanang events but ang imung conclusion or perhaps notion that the universe can't stand on its own without a creator doesn't help either. Wala man mag ingun ang science nga walay ginuo pero nag base lng jud sila sa reality.

I am not saying that Science is solely for Atheists but the notion of a creator that has always existed and exist without a cause doesn't solve the problem either. For many, the notion that God caused the bigbang is a perfectly reasonable response. This seems to help many people cope with the unsatisfying prospect of an event without a cause. But the problem is when one immediately asks, "from where did the creator come from?" if the answer is "He always existed." Then we have a situation that is no more satisfying than a universe that springs forth from nothing.

Ang religion man gud, they failed badly in passing efforts to understand the operations of the universe and our places within it. Matud pa ni Galileo Galilei, "The bible tells us how to go to heaven but not how the heavens go."

PEACE

[noy]

hahay, why do you guys always misunderstand my point..
i am not here to bash on Science nor the higgs boson..
i don't even have the slightest right to say such things about Science as we owe almost everything today from Science..
and as a Theist, i am most thankful to the One who gave us Science which is ironically being rediculed now by some of the Scientific minds
through this "god particle".

simple ra kaayo, the thread title is God particle, the TS asked if this is true?
so did i, i asked if this answered the first cause..
my first comment that included God in it was in reply to an earlier post
that says this boson is considered to be the beginning of all things..
palihug tawn ta ug tan-aw sa mga earlier pages(back read) para kakita mu
di kay muingun dayun nga nganu ipail man jud ang Ginoo sa discussion Lol

and even if the boson's nick is a hyperbole or an overstatement, saying it doesn't have any relations with creation
is a bit off 'cause though this boson may not answer the first cause,
there's gotta be some connection in between in relating with the first cause

as i've explained we've always wondered what caused the first quark and became the universe
then the boson came in the picture and then labeled God particle, so i aksed if this is it?

so cge mag tag ingun nga overstatement or exageration ra diay ning boson's nick which is god particle
so i'd take your answers as a NO then, therefore the higgs boson dos not at all answer the first cause.

maski ikaw brad, you've seen/encountered/observed comments/articles about this particle/boson
being the author of the first quark..and others even significantly uses this as proof that there is no God. Lol
so di ka kabasol why God the creator would always be included in this discussion.

now that we can all agree that the god particle is an overstatement and does not at all answer the first cause
so therefore debunking all the claims that God does not exist using the higgs boson as a proof.

mao ra na ang punto sa akong discussion.

i'm not here to promote religion or something, i am just a curious theist who wanted to know if
this controversial boson is really worthy of its nick, "god particle"

karun instead of getting straight answers, i get comments like, we should not include religion or God on this discussion...
come on, you guys really think its possilbe? with the thread title? the controversy of the first cause and all that jazz this boson brings?
please, just because we see God in somebody's comment, it doesnt mean that
we are talking about religion already, we're talking about realities here...
for theists, God is real for atheist obviously He isnt.
but as human beings we cannot just say that we're absolutely right while the other camp isnt.
for Christ's sake we don't even know what the first cause was.

i hope kasabut namu why naay Ginoo, or God and creation is included in my comments.
and at the same time i am not talking about RELIGION.


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