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    There are a lot of fallacy surrounding this religion. Its countless.
    One would be the claim of God on Earth. claims to have higher authority above the word of God. Changed the very law and word of God and The Inquisition.
    And these things are very subtely enforced.
    This are not just claims but throughly investigated and studied facts.

    In the Bible There are numerous characteristics that guides us in determining the Beast. It is said that this system would change the very times and law of God.
    Its a scheme and controversy at a massive scale.
    fallacy because it does not correspond on your belief?, please expound more.......
    the Pope is the leader of our Church, we did not proclaim him as GOD....
    Please study inquisition much further, the laws of the church was based but it's not really the church that does the inquest it's the government before, and such things are legal as per human laws before.
    Your claims are flawed, I do not think that this is throughly invistigated, this is judgement of no cause, for who are you to judge, it's a sin to judge...please check the bible.

    So you do not believe on the book of revelation then............hmmmmm

    Read the book of Isiah, Jeremiah, and Lamentations. God even tests Good people to determine their loyalty.
    So that Gods people would not become a bunch of wussys.
    Logically, how can you test a person when he is already dead.......please explain.

  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by chad_tukes View Post
    where was God in:

    - the Haiti Earthquake (100,000 killed)
    - the Tsunami (500,000 killed)
    - the Holocaust (6,000,000 killed)
    - Rwanda (nearly 1,000,000 killed)

    why is it that when good things happen, we credit "GOD" for it. but when bad things happen, for some reason, we always seem to blame GOD's creation (human beings) rather than GOD himself. didn't GOD create everything according to his plan? what exactly is the "divine" reason that GOD allow things to happen like this? it's terrible, horrific, and in contradiction to the attributes of this so-called GOD... the loving, caring GOD.

    so, when bad things happen, GOD is innocent. remember what Pat Robertson said about the earthquake in Haiti?

    when Haiti was a French colony, freedom fighters "swore a pact to the devil," saying, "We will serve you if you will get us free from the French. And so the devil said, ‘Okay, it's a deal.’” Ever since, Robertson continued, "they [Haitians] have been cursed by one thing after the other."

    where is GOD in this sentence? please don't give me the FREEWILL crap (excuse my language). if man has freewill, why is it that GOD doesn't seem to have the FREE 'EFFIN WILL to stop these horrific deaths?
    Since you're quoting Pat Robertson I suppose you're referring to THE God that Christians believe.

    These things are supposed to happen in the last days. God had already said about this so I think it's a given that he will not stop these things.
    Last edited by NapoleonBlownapart; 01-30-2010 at 05:52 PM.

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    https://www.istorya.net/forums/philos...ml#post6458226 (Why Is God Always Innocent?)

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    .. all i can say to you kebs, is you still have a lot to learn about life. you're very closeminded to almost everything, it's a waste of time talking to you about anything. suggestion, go out and see the "real world" as it is, don't rely much on books. and... please stay on topic. this isnt about atheism.



    .. back on topic. it's funny how people say that god is merciful, when he allows all this tragedies to happen.

    this isnt about atheism.
    --- lols, notice the question, notice the TS... lols!

    it's funny how people say that god is merciful, when he allows all this tragedies to happen.
    ---its funnier when athiest talk about god... hmmmm

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    SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THIS GUY. Hey Fin, if you don't want me to login your website just say it... don't be a cry baby, using your authority for people to believe you...

    What you are trying to do is to give me 2 successive infraction and counting... so i will leave your posts alone... lols... Absolute power corrupts absolutely... This is the danger of an ATHIEST IN POWER.
    A common acts of an ATHIEST...
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    it's a waste of time talking to you about anything.
    god is innocent , bec. he is the only hope against all odds. bec life is cruel and confusing .

    its like saying , who makes the virus ? it is the makers of anti-virus ...

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by kebot View Post
    IS WRONG WITH THIS GUY. Hey Fin, if you don't want me to login your website just say it... don't be a cry baby, using your authority for people to believe you...

    What you are trying to do is to give me 2 successive infraction and counting... so i will leave your posts alone... lols... Absolute power corrupts absolutely... This is the danger of an ATHIEST IN POWER.
    A common acts of an ATHIEST...
    Again, it appears you fail in comprehension here as well or imo memory ing-ana lang siguro kamubo. Gimute naman ka sa una diba? wala paka natagam? Wasn't that enough of a hint to tell you "DON'T COME BACK"?

    In the first place bai, ikaw raman usa gisultian ana. IN PRIVATE. And you went to such great efforts to post here. So who's the cry baby now, cry baby?

    Personally, mas maayo nang athiest ang mga mods. I shudder to think someone like you or an extremist muslim or an extremist christian calling the shots. What a lonely life for you.

  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by cromagnon View Post
    god is innocent , bec. he is the only hope against all odds. bec life is cruel and confusing .

    its like saying , who makes the virus ? it is the makers of anti-virus ...
    i see. so the one who makes tragedies is god then?

  7. #107
    Tragedies are part of living in this cruel world .

    Thats why its the survival of the fittest ..

    A natural selection .

    however Religion take advantage of em./. Then so they blaim it to people and label them wicked ...

    well its nature in move . however for climate change its humans irresponsible act .

    might be better if religion teaches people how help avoid global warming . than preaching about Revelation.

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    Sad to say we cannot mix science and religion.........for now.
    They are still two separate entities to where we asks questions about life and it's integrated tragedies. It's better to avail on both, than to avail to only one, uncertain it is until now of what should be the only truth and else everything that we conceive as true, is what it is after all. It is your choice to be bias on something uncertain, and do ponder that in the end it is your sayings that will judge you.

  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by chad_tukes View Post
    where was God in:

    - the Haiti Earthquake (100,000 killed)
    - the Tsunami (500,000 killed)
    - the Holocaust (6,000,000 killed)
    - Rwanda (nearly 1,000,000 killed)

    why is it that when good things happen, we credit "GOD" for it. but when bad things happen, for some reason, we always seem to blame GOD's creation (human beings) rather than GOD himself. didn't GOD create everything according to his plan? what exactly is the "divine" reason that GOD allow things to happen like this? it's terrible, horrific, and in contradiction to the attributes of this so-called GOD... the loving, caring GOD.

    so, when bad things happen, GOD is innocent. remember what Pat Robertson said about the earthquake in Haiti?

    when Haiti was a French colony, freedom fighters "swore a pact to the devil," saying, "We will serve you if you will get us free from the French. And so the devil said, ‘Okay, it's a deal.’” Ever since, Robertson continued, "they [Haitians] have been cursed by one thing after the other."

    where is GOD in this sentence? please don't give me the FREEWILL crap (excuse my language). if man has freewill, why is it that GOD doesn't seem to have the FREE 'EFFIN WILL to stop these horrific deaths?
    Blast! who knows the freaking answer since you dismiss the freewill crap! hehe...God has freewill too, the freewill not to do anything to stop this horrific calamities which He himself planned out long time ago...that is 'why' I guess.

    He's not innocent from this, yet He is total responsible for everything but this doesn't mean He is guilty of some crime as what some of us think so...that's the result when people think too much of themselves when in fact we are nothing...et pulvis reverteris!
    Last edited by Existanz; 01-31-2010 at 09:00 PM.

  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by kebot View Post
    --- so, you have your answers already? make no mistake... if we are right! you guys are in big trouble.. if you are right... then we just fought an unnecessary battle of faith... You already did, thank you for your effort... we don't need it...
    this is the funniest ever. just goes to show how delusional you are. it's a simple as this bai kebs. if we are right, then F you. you just wasted 3/4 of your life believing in something that never existed. LOL. if you are right, then f*ck it, what's there to lose? if GOD asks us what the heck were we thinking, then i'll say to his face, it's your fault for making yourself so damn MYSTERIOUS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Existanz View Post
    Blast! who knows the freaking answer since you dismiss the freewill crap! hehe...God has freewill too, the freewill not to do anything to stop this horrific calamities which He himself planned out long time ago...that is 'why' I guess.

    He's not innocent from this, yet He is total responsible for everything but this doesn't mean He is guilty of some crime as what some of us think so...that's the result when people think too much of themselves when in fact we are nothing...et pulvis reverteris!
    who knows the freaking answer? nobody knows the freaking answer, to tell you honestly. so don't go pretend you know the answer, coz you don't. how did you know GOD has freewill? i don't know GOD had the freewill, that's why i was asking.

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