Unsa may 7th day of the week? Sabado o Domingo?

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hello everyone.. hello everyone..

[Kenshiro]

1) Animal Sacrifices. In Numbers 28:11-15 defines the special animal sacrifices to be made during Sabbath at the time of each new moon. Some translations refer to these sacrifices as a monthly burnt offering.

2) The Day of Atonement: Leviticus 23:26-32 locates this day on the 10th day of the seventh month. Its purpose was to purify the temple sanctuary.

3) Not a fire is to be lit on a Sabbath. During Moses time, even the work on the tabernacle would cease on the Sabbath. In fact, they were not even to kindle a fire on the Sabbath (Exodus 35:3).
Do you really think (Sabbath-keepers) don't cook any meals on a Saturday? You guess.

Those are the old laws that is already fulfilled by the Death of Jesus on the cross.
Remember after Jesus death, animal sacrifices are not necessary anymore and the old tradition and ceremonies were not necessary.

Well on your third point lighting a fire to cook our food can be a way to save ones life it may be our own. So it is consistent when Jesus saving a life in the Sabbath.

Adventist only follow the Sabbath particularly the Sabbath on the ten commandments.
Not the old ordinances of the old testament.
These are the main differences between SDA and Judaism.

Remmember there are two types of Laws in the Bible the old ordinances and the ten commandments.

Reasons why old ordinances of the Old testament are not necessary?

The Jewish ceremonial regulations (from the Law given to Moses, by God)

* These regulations were intended to be "examples" or "pictures" to teach people about holiness and other spiritual matters. The principles which were being illustrated would be applicable to all of life.

* The Jews were required to follow these regulations because of the covenant (agreement) they had made with God, to do so. Under the New Covenant, which Jesus established by his death and resurrection (Matthew 26:28; Hebrews 8:6-13, etc.), observance of these regulations is no longer necessary (though not necessarily prohibited).

* These regulations were never intended to be a way of gaining or earning salvation. Nor were these ceremonial regulations ever intended to replace the spiritual realities they symbolically taught.

The Sabbath Seventh Day Adventist keep are not ceremonial statutes but the laws of the ten commandments.
Exodus 20:8-11

Jesus Himself kept the Sabbath:
Luke 4: 16
Mathew 12:1-13

I hope we could clear the confusion here.

[Kenshiro]

4) No business transactions on a Saturday. In the observance of Isaiah 58:13 "If you keep the Sabbath holy, not having your own fun and business on that day..." But if you have been to Miller Sanitarium (adventist hospital), you don't see any cashiers on a Saturday but they charge every single medicine and food you use/eat every single day of your hospitalization including Saturday -- that means business still goes on a Saturday only they collect your bill some other day. Trying to get around the Bible huh?

Although it is kinda childish but you have a point.

Bro can you differentiate Business and Business transactions?

You say "that means business still goes on a Saturday" what you mean is that we should close down all our business and declare it as foreclosed or liquidated during Sabbath and its liscence in SSC or SEC. It would be extreemly stupid to foreclose business and liquidate a business every once a week or every sabbath. I could not imagine the amount of work and money re establishing a business and registering your business every once a week.

But If you say Business transactions will cease on Sabbath then that is entirely different it means that there should be no work, no business transactions and any kind of normal weekday activity on the Sabbath.
No need to cease business.

Exodus 31
14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

The Bible explicitly says six days may work be done, it may mean that the usual six days of manual labor or any kind of work or activity.

Miller probably charge their patient on Saturday but the actual "work" of charging is done on a non Sabbath day. So what we are talking about here is the actual work of charging patients. Well evidently Miller as what you say does not have any accounting and cashiers on Sabbath. So there is definately no actual "work" of charging done on the patient on saturday. Even the actual "work" of computing the charges are not done on Saturday. And certainly there are no payment or bills actually being done on saturday.
So to put it in a simple way there is no work done on Saturday on behalf of the Staffs and patients.

The purpose of the Sabbath:
The Sabbath and the family were alike instituted in Eden, and in God's purpose they are perpetually linked together. On this day more than on any other, it is possible for us to live the life of Eden. It was God's plan for the members of the family to be associated in work and study, in worship and recreation, the father as priest of his household, and both father and mother as teachers and companions of their children.

The Sabbath is the day above all others when we should acquaint ourselves with God through His works. In the minds of the children the very thought of the Sabbath should be bound up with the beauty of natural things. Happy is the family who can go to the place of worship on the Sabbath as Jesus and His disciples went to the synagogue--across the fields, along the shores of the lake, or through the groves. Happy the father and mother who can teach their children God's written word with illustrations from the open pages of the book of nature; who can gather under the green trees, in the fresh, pure air, to study the word and to sing the praise of the Father above. By such associations parents may bind their children to their hearts, and thus to God, by ties that can never be broken.

Sabbath is for the people not for businesses and Hospitals.

Please don't misunderstand these. So on the patients end and on the staffs end despite the charges on Sabbath they should still be able to fulfill the sabbath without burden. It will even give them more leeway in observing the Sabbath by ceasing work on Sabbath.

right...pero Jesus didn't do it for a fee bur for free.

To be more realistic.
Hospitals are not Jesus
If you want to take advantage of free hospitals then it is non existent here in this Philippine economic setting. Even Vicente Sotto hospital is not free.
But If you have faith in Jesus he can heal any sickness for free.

[kalanrakas]

Mat. 11:28 "Come to me, all of you who are weary and loaded down with burdens, and I will give you rest."

Therefore, the true Sabbath is Jesus Christ and no longer the Jewish Sabbath.

Consider this excerpt from an article on the topic in Catholic.com (I know, i know it's catholic but the opening of minds should be a two-way process)

"Some religious organizations (Seventh-Day Adventists, Seventh-Day Baptists, and certain others) claim that Christians must not worship on Sunday but on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath. They claim that, at some unnamed time after the apostolic age, the Church "changed" the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

However, passages of Scripture such as Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10 indicate that, even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead.

The early Church Fathers compared the observance of the Sabbath to the observance of the rite of circumcision, and from that they demonstrated that if the apostles abolished circumcision (Gal. 5:1-6), so also the observance of the Sabbath must have been abolished. The following quotations show that the first Christians understood this principle and gathered for worship on Sunday."

[Kenshiro]

Mat. 11:28 "Come to me, all of you who are weary and loaded down with burdens, and I will give you rest."

Sabbath is a commandment of rest so it does makes sense.

Acts 20:7

Well that doesn't mean that they should preach the Gospel only on the Sabbath.

1 corinthians 16:2

Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. (NKJV)

On the first day of the week, let every one of you put by him in store, in measure as he has done well in business, so that it may not be necessary to get money together when I come. (Bible in Basic English)

After the Sabbath ends, each of you should set aside and save something from your surplus in proportion to what you have, so that no collections will have to be made when I arrive.(International Standard version)

It means on the first day of the week paul says they should start putting aside and save money. It means putting aside money for the church on the first day of the week so that when Paul arrives usually to preach on the Sabbath there ought to be no "Gatherings" of money to be made. On the contrary gathering means gathering of money not gathering of people. Paul explicitly observes the Sabbath Avoiding any gathering or collection of funds on the Sabbath and it should be done after Sabbath.

Colossians 2:14-17

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

This is not again a litteral translation. It means SDAs don't celebrate religious festivals like new moons and burn sacrifices on the Sabbath. It is specifically stated that these are shadows or old ordinances. Shadows specifically points to or a representation of Christ. Sabbath Days in collossians refer to old jewish sabbath ceremonies and festival on the Sabbaths this include meat and drink offerings on the Sabbaths that are based on Jewish cermonies. They key here is verse 14 “Blotting out the handwriting ordinances that was against us.” It is specified that it is an ordinance/ceremonies and not the ten commandments.
Old ceremonial laws are different from the ten commandments.

In Ezekiel 45:17 it clearly shows the ordinanes of activities and cermonies done in the Sabbath based on old cermonial laws which include meat and drink offerings.

Did Jesus kept the commandments?
In John 15:10 He says I have kept my fathers commandments.
Obviously Jesus is talking about the ten commandments since Jesus is against the man made laws and ordinances of the Pharisees.

Revelation 1:10

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

It only says he John the Revelator was filled with the Holy spirit on the Lords day(Sabbath day). Probably John has seen a vision on the Sabbath.
Lords day is the sabbath day (Luke 6:5)

Gal. 5:1-6

It is talking about traditional law of circumcision. Not the Moral Law of the ten commandments.

The apostles kept the sabbath as well:
Acts 17:2,
Acts 13:13, 14
Acts 16:13

The Gentiles also worship on Sabbath:
Acts 13:42, 44
Acts 18:4

Peace!

[geoseph]

"The word Shabbat comes from the root Shin-Beit-Tav, meaning to cease, to end, or to rest."

"At about 2PM or 3PM on Friday afternoon, observant Jews leave the office to begin Shabbat preparations... Shabbat, like all Jewish days, begins at sunset... Shabbat ends at nightfall, when three stars are visible, approximately 40 minutes after sunset."
[ Judaism 101: Shabbat ]
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"Saturday is the only day of the week to retain its Roman origin in English, named after the Roman god Saturn ... Its original Anglo-Saxon rendering was Sæturnesdæg (pronounced ... sæ.tur.nes.dæj).

In Latin it was Dies Saturni, 'Day of Saturn'; compare French Samedi, Spanish Sábado, Romanian Sâmbătă and Italian Sabato, which come from Sambata Dies (Day of the Sabbath)." (emphases supplied)
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_the_week ]
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1. Is God forever active?

2. Can indolence ever (even for a moment) be holy?

3. Is it a spiritual commandment or a physical commandment to observe the Sabbath? What is the difference between the two? Which is the essential one?

[NASYO]

"sabado"

gikan sa pulong na "saba do"

sabado, adlaw sa mga palahubog.

inig kahubog sa usa ka bugoy, ingnon dayon na "Saba!! Do!!"

mao na history sa sabado..

[geoseph]

Saturday and Sunday are called weekends because these are the last (7th) and first days of the week, respectively.
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I don't get it why anyone would even suggest Sunday worships are wrong. Is it a violation of the Sabbath to worship God on any day other than the Sabbath? Of course not.

Those who would even suggest anyone is in error for worshipping on a Sunday, instead of the Sabbath, are in effect, also suggesting that worship be limited to only one (specific) day in a week. Shouldn't we be praying to or worshipping God as often as is possible? Aren't we supposed to be doing what is good every time?

[NASYO]

good point bro geoseph

i can't go to church on sundays, i got no time, i'm on a 24/7 sked.

i pray while i work.