The Church is responsible for over population in the Phils.

[P-Chan]

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there was a part in the bible that said "go and multiply"

[cyclops]

There will be 160 million pinoys people in 2010. And probably, the church will act to that time and it's too late. Plague and poverty you name it.. is enivitable.... too late.

If this 160 million statistics is true then do you think this could fill up all the land masses in our country??..its apparent that the urban population in the country is perceive to be as overpopulated but actually the rural population is not. Well to give u a stats, the population density of the country is 255 people for every square kilometer of land area. And that's what u call overpopulated? fact is thousand people can still leave in harmony with a 200 sq.meter area, three story CONDO unit!...And we haven't even tackle the day-to-day DEATHT RATE...The real problem here is the government cant provide anymore the basic necessity of the people because of the imminent GRAFT and CORRPUTION and all they can adhere to the problem is population control.

Do you think people will go back to thier province and live in thier caves? Urban population is very important that is why churches are made in prime spaces where it is very accessible to all people. Graft and Corruption is a different story..... What this topic is all about Church- and Over population.

[tolstoi]

Do you think people will go back to thier province and live in thier caves?

Graft and Corruption is a different story..... What this topic is all about Church- and Over population.

Im not saying that the people should go back to StoneAge and live a rudimentary life. Im just suggesting that instead of blaming the church for the ever ballooning population in the country the government instead should make a reform/move in order to divert the livelihood of the people from the urban area in to the rural provinces. So that in this manner there will be balance in population density. If not for the pending graft and corruption, the government could have enough funds building livelihoods and decent housings in the provinces, and therefore resolving congestion issues in the city. Bottomline is that the issue on the Church as the responsible for overpopulation is very IRRELEVANT.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

I say the CHURCH and GOVT has nothing to do witht the OVERPOPULATION in the Philippines. It is the responsibility of the each and everyones action not to have kids if unable to support it . The Philippines is not overpopulated , thats how we see it because thats what we always see :

- sick children
- malnourished children
- uneducated children
- streetchildren
- children in a non liveable environment

Ive seen one episode of a report in the Philippines that 1 father gathers food from the trashcans for years and ended up food poisoning 2 of his children and died . Manganak mo unya walay ipakaon .

[cyclops]

Well, I hope you guys will stand up on your own will and say those comments again five years from now.

[gareb]

??..its apparent that the urban population in the country is perceive to be as overpopulated but actually the rural population is not

may i again stress that overpopulation isn't simply a matter of population volume. it is primarily reliant on population sustainability. even if a particular area has a large population, if the area can provide for its basic needs and sustain the environment, then it is not exactly overpopulated.

Graft and Corruption is a different story.....

not exactly. if we limit our perception only to the confines of this topic, then we fall into the error of limiting ourselves from seeing an answer even if its already there between our noses.

the topic merely suggests if the church has anything to do at all with the overpopulation of the country. to dissent and place an alternative reason is not exactly an off topic post in my opinion.

Bottomline is that the issue on the Church as the responsible for overpopulation is very IRRELEVANT.

Rosales: Church partly to blame for high population growth (emphasis mine)
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/...41013top5.html

i do not exactly agree that only the natural method be used, but at least it is about time that the church has admitted its share of owes.

1 father gathers food from the trashcans for years and ended up food poisoning 2 of his children and died .

the question is not just on why the father bore many children, but also on why is he looking at other people's trash for food, when other people could bear many children and still eat at posh restaurants. the question is on the inequity.

i hope this helps http://news.inq7.net/opinion/index.p...story_id=15615

the example that you have placed above only affirms the existence of the state of overpopulation (being a state where the resources or the method of acquiring these resources of a particular area is insufficient to provide for a population that has grown so much in size.)

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

uote="SPRINGFIELD_XD_40"]1 father gathers food from the trashcans for years and ended up food poisoning 2 of his children and died .

the question is not just on why the father bore many children, but also on why is he looking at other people's trash for food, when other people could bear many children and still eat at posh restaurants. the question is on the inequity.

i hope this helps http://news.inq7.net/opinion/index.p...story_id=15615

the example that you have placed above only affirms the existence of the state of overpopulation (being a state where the resources or the method of acquiring these resources of a particular area is insufficient to provide for a population that has grown so much in size.)[/quote]


That is the whole point why the father looked for food in trash while other parents eat in posh resto with their kids . because they know they can support the needs of the kids . It doesnt have to be posh either , 3 meals a day is only what they wanted . Then why would he produced kids when what he can only gurantee to the kids are left over foods and from trashcans , he should not have kids at all in first place to lessen suffering not only to him but to the kids .

The examples I gave contributes only to what happens on making a family irresponsibly . That would never happen ie malnourished , streetchildren if the parents are prepared in the first place to have children . Those are factors from poverty which is why we think overpopulation is the problem but it is actually the economy . Kung ultimo na waiter lang ka sa McDo for example, dont be a father to say 5 children .

By the way , when did you see a big family who ate at restaurants are not rich ?? When you say big famliy , at least5 children and above .

[tolstoi]

Gareb:

even if a particular area has a large population, if the area can provide for its basic needs and sustain the environment and then it is not exactly overpopulated.

Then its the governments job to provide basic needs and maintain a sustainable environment for the people..as i had elaborated, they should have plans of bringing the livelihood to the rural areas so as not to congest the urban cities...for a start if only they can relocate all the city squatters/dwellers to the rural provinces then provide a decent job, a sustainable environment and a decent housing for them then we can't say that the Philippines is OVERPOPULATED and stop barking the responsibility on the CHURCH!

Rosales: Church partly to blame
For high population growth

By William B. Depasupil and Reporter

THE Catholic Church shares the blame for the country ' s runaway population because it has been remiss in its duty to enlighten couples ON the natural method of family planning according to Manila Archbishop Gaudencio Rosales.

Archbishop Rosales humbly pointed out there failure of duties in fully educating the Christian couples in implementing the natural method of family planning. And he is not saying that there failure in supporting artificial contraceptions is the main culprit in population boom. But then again in reality, the couple themselves have its share of failures in carrying out there responsibility as a Christian. The priest are just there to sermon and its the couples responsibility now if they will wholeheartedly and religiously listens to it.

[gareb]

Those are factors from poverty which is why we think overpopulation is the problem but it is actually the economy .

exactly. or at least how the economy is handled. this is not just a matter of deciding how many children to have, unfortunately. besides, 'deciding' how many kids is not exactly what people have in mind during cold nights... and to think that contraceptives are no longer free these days.

with the highly impotent public health sector, plus degrading quality of public education, it is not really a wonder why people tend to bear quite a lot of children. good if they can sustain their needs. bad if they cannot.

...for a start if only they can relocate all the city squatters/dwellers to the rural provinces then provide a decent job, a sustainable environment and a decent housing for them

problem is, these squatters themselves come from rural areas. indeed development is concentrated in the urban areas, while the countryside remains backward; basically because of land ownership. there is no equitable distribution of land. no land = limited opportunities. the land question has been around for ages. but has been left unanswered as the very same policy makers and people at the high ups are the same who owns these vast tracts of land.

Archbishop Rosales humbly pointed out there failure of duties in fully educating the Christian couples in implementing the natural method of family planning. And he is not saying that there failure in supporting artificial contraceptions is the main culprit in population boom.

natural or artifical method, it does not really matter which. the important thing here is that if it works or not. the very act of admission by the archbishop suggests that the church indeed has failed its part in teaching the importance of family planning by faling to impress the idea to the people in using certain methods it finds as suitable to its teachings.

we are not exactly after what is the 'valid' method, as long as it works as 'moral validity' is subjective and is sometimes taken as an excuse to suggest religious dogma. the church suggests natural family planning as it best fits its teachings. others suggest more affirmative action. as long as both methods work, then fine.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

I agree with all that . It is not the OVERPOPULATION but the " POPULATION " getting bigger but cannot support its needs .