Are gays and lesbians normal?

[Kenshiro]

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hehehehe. confused ka sa imo gisulat nga naa kay gay friend nga normal. MOrality imo focus bai dili DIAGNOSTIC.

Part nilayo na ka sa premise. Aside from that I already refuted your argument.

tan-awa ra na imo reasoning oh ''Being a Gay animal is naturally weak therefore is not fit for reproduction and does not contribute to the welfare of a specie to survive since same *** reproduction would not provide an offspring. "

-ni post ka about God pero Darwinism ka nga idea. kana nga reasoning natural selection na part konta na sa imo tinuohan labi na sa creationism. Kabalo ba ka sa imo stand? kana ba gitudlo sa imo simbahan basin nasayop lang ko?

It seems confuse ka sa word morality ug abnormality kay kung tan awon nato morality ang imo pag tan aw sa issue. Kung morality ang imo basehan illogical sad kay dili tanan tawo sa kalibutan pareha nimo ug religion. Ayaw sirad-i imo utok base sa imo tinuohan kay kani nga issue naa belong sa psychological/emotional aspect base sa post sa t/s. Aside from that ang premise naa sa individuality sa pag ka bayot dili same *** marriage.

Asa kuno angulo sa discussion nasakto ka? kay tungod dili sakto base sa imo tinuhuan? Ang relihiyon walay absolute nga katungod mo desisyon ani kung normal o dili kundi naa sa credible nga authority mao ang APA ug psychological community nga in the first place wala gi considera nga abnormal.

Just because considered immoral to some religious sects doenst mean an indicattion of abnormality. Gets?

You are so twisted in your reasoning. Did I talk about religion or did I quote a verse?
Its simple logic Being gay is abnormal since it is not natural to be Gay its an abnormality of the brain. Does a dog acts like a cat or vice versa?
Well if a dog acts like a cat then what do you call it normal?
Maybe if you are abnormal, for sure you call abnormal as normal.
I am basing this only in logic not religion or Bible. And your mouth is already bubbling with useless illogical blabbers.

Well if you are logical Female is supposedly the weaker ***, and for men to adopt these mentality should be weaker. But do I hate weak people? No I encourage them to be a normal person to be stronger.

Not all natural law contradicts the Bible.
you see you are ignorant.

[ketllac]

You are so twisted in your reasoning. Did I talk about religion or did I quote a verse?
Its simple logic Being gay is abnormal since it is not natural to be Gay its an abnormality of the brain. Does a dog acts like a cat or vice versa?
Well if a dog acts like a cat then what do you call it normal?
Maybe if you are abnormal, for sure you call abnormal as normal.
I am basing this only in logic not religion or Bible. And your mouth is already bubbling with useless illogical blabbers.

Well if you are logical Female is supposedly the weaker ***, and for men to adopt these mentality should be weaker. But do I hate weak people? No I encourage them to be a normal person to be stronger.

Not all natural law contradicts the Bible.
you see you are ignorant.

hehehe unsa diay ni imo sulti " In creationist view its very simple God created Male and Female" ? di ba something to do about your belief and creationism? You know what I didnt mention about bible but you mentioned about God. di ba belief na nimo?

look at your post "'Being a Gay animal is naturally weak therefore is not fit for reproduction and does not contribute to the welfare of a specie to survive since same *** reproduction would not provide an offspring. "

Kini imo gipost kay natural selection na part nga against na sa stand sa creationist idea. Unya kinsa man natong duha ang nag contradict ang idea?

Naturallistic fallacy na part kay dili ka maka kuha ug conclusion basi sa premise like this from my previous post.

Arguments cannot introduce completely new terms in their conclusions. The argument,
(1) Human being are basically man and woman only,
(2) Kenshiro is a gay
(3) Kenshiro is abnormal; the conclusion obviously doesn’t follow from the premises. This is invalid.

you can’t get an ‘ought’ from an ‘is’.

let us check this example;

(1)As a gay the feeling to have an anal *** to the same *** is only natural

Therefore:
(2) There’s nothing wrong with feeling the need to have it.

This argument moves from a statement of fact to a value judgement, and therefore commits the naturalistic fallacy. The argument’s premise simply describes the way that the world is, asserting that it is natural to feel envious. To describe the way that the world is, though, is to say nothing of the way that it ought to be. The argument’s conclusion, then, which is value judgment, cannot be supported by its premises.

Do you see that its a fallacy. Part di ka kakaya ug logical discussion. Ad Hominem. hehehehhe.

[3nZ0y]

You are so twisted in your reasoning. Did I talk about religion or did I quote a verse?

Naghisgot kaha ka og creationism. Asa man na nagroot? Science? Religion?

Its simple logic Being gay is abnormal since it is not natural to be Gay its an abnormality of the brain. Does a dog acts like a cat or vice versa?

If dili natural ang being a gay, unsa man diay na--artificial? Can you please specify which part of the brain? Ngano niabot ka og cat og dog mag siopao ta?

Bitaw, unsa imo basehan to say nga ang dog is different sa cat then ang dog cannot and should not act like cat? Is it the mental state? Or the physical state? Going back to gay/lesbian, naa ba sila kalahian sa straight boy/girl physically? What if closet gay/lesbian? Do you consider them abnormal if they act and wear clothes the way straight men/women do?

Well if a dog acts like a cat then what do you call it normal?
Maybe if you are abnormal, for sure you call abnormal as normal.
I am basing this only in logic not religion or Bible. And your mouth is already bubbling with useless illogical blabbers.

Well, then do you say that normal can be subjective? Depende kinsay pasultion?

Well if you are logical Female is supposedly the weaker ***, and for men to adopt these mentality should be weaker. But do I hate weak people? No I encourage them to be a normal person to be stronger.

I don't get your point here. Do you mean to say that it takes for gay to be strong para mahimong normal? How about lesbian? And BTW s*xist ka? Why do you say nga female are weaker s*x?

Not all natural law contradicts the Bible.
you see you are ignorant.

I don't see any reason why you brought this up or any relevance sa issue at hand.

[ketllac]

Originally Posted by Kenshiro View Post
Well if a dog acts like a cat then what do you call it normal?
Maybe if you are abnormal, for sure you call abnormal as normal.
I am basing this only in logic not religion or Bible. And your mouth is already bubbling with useless illogical blabbers.


as mentioned by Enzoy subjective na nag depende na sa interpretation. di ba giingnan taka nga naa sa sa animal nga nag pakita ug homosexual behavior kay matod pa sa scientist 1500 ka animals species nag pakita homosexuality nga characteristic. You can't even refute that.

Matod pa ni Tim Murray;

Mother Nature doesn't give a crap about our moral imperatives. She doesn’t care if people we judge to be worthy (the poor, the persecuted, the people of colour, the handicapped, the fashionably oppressed) should be lifted on to our lifeboat, only if it is overloaded. And whether the passengers live together without class barriers or in feudal subjugation is of no concern to nature either. The laws of physics trump the laws of any Holy Text, ethical system or left-wing manifesto. If we want to survive, we will have to play by nature's rules, not ours.

It is amazing what Mother Nature doesn’t care about your morality and my morality. Kaw ray nag interpret ana part.

Her biophysical laws cannot be repealed by a democratic parliament or be subject to the whims of human autocrats.

Mother Nature is not a humanitarian. She does not accept Mother Theresa’s credentials. Judeo-Christian ethics and the rhetoric of the antique civil rights movement make no impression on her.

now kita nimo nga naturalistic na imo reasoning about Dogs and cats. hehhehehe. Aside from that dili christiano ang personal attack like calling some one ignorantpart labi na sa healthy discussion. Peace

[ketllac]

@kinshiro
Well if a dog acts like a cat then what do you call it normal?

Kani siguro maka ingon ta nga illogical pero dili relevant o accurate nga analogy sa homosexuality.

kay mao man na nga analogy i- apply sa bayot o tomboy this would be "ang bayot mo act like a cat abnormal? ang tomboy mo act like a tiger abnormal?

ang idea ani is ang iya action naa ra na belong sa pareha nga species. kay kung mo act sya pag kabayot it doesn't mean nga ni balhin siya ug species from man to animal. Kuha nimo bai kenshiro?

Kung mo formulate kag analogy kanang accurate representation ha.

Unya basi na sa imo logic bai? hehhehehe

[ketllac]

@kenshiro

base sa imo post "Its simple logic Being gay is abnormal since it is not natural to be Gay its an abnormality of the brain. "

Do you have the credibility to say this. Even APA and the psychological community considered homosexuality as normal behavior in Diagnostic statistical manual. Is that your opinion or argument based on facts?

[hOt&SpiCy]

I find them normal though unusual lang ilang pang buhaton sa uban ug sa ilang kaugalingon, pero dha man cla malipayon, supurtaan nalang.

[endlessknight]

They're normal. I don't see anything wrong with them.

[b1 huck]

Duha rajuy gibuhat sa Ginoo "BABAE" ug "LALAKE". Pero God loves us so much that he gave us freedom or exemption to everything... Trip rapud na nila... Pero para nako dili na normal but I do respect and value them.

[d.a.m.a.s.o.]

Being gay and lesbian is NOT normal.
Pero kung lalake ka at nakikipag-s3x ka sa kapwa mo lalake, abnormal ka na imoral ka pa.