Beware of buying stolen phones!

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actually the TS has a point here.. all of us have a point.. no one's wrong but I'd like to share my opinion as a buyer and as a seller..

buyer:

ex. X wants to buy an iPhone.. here's one seller selling his iPhone cheaper than the ones sold in the malls but doesn't have any receipt at all coz the phone's bought outside our country.. there's no doubt that X would buy the cheaper one rather than buy the more expensive unit and get the same item even if X doesn't get any receipt and the doubts of it being stolen, etc... anyway it's X's own RISK buying cellphones with no guaranteed warranty from the seller..

Seller

ex. Z wants to sell her iphone coz she badly needs money.. for it to be sold fast, Z's going to sell it cheap and without the receipt of course for some reasons.. Z is not really that good of a techy person and doesn't know how to manipulate and tinker her item.. She only knows the basics in operating it.. now, does that mean Z's selling a stolen iphone?

mao jud dili tanan seller kamao mo kuri2x sa ila baligya...
dili sad tanan barato kinawat

up for you ts

[inc-pankz]

basta gadget gani, nya naa pai warranty,hiposon mn jud nang resibo gud,ky naa juy tndahan na mangita ug resibo just incase imong ipa ayu or unsa bah. .

btaw, i hope wa namaligya ug kinawat dre. .mao sahay mka duda kaau nang unit ug charger rai ibaligya, hehe, wakoy ge mention ha. .

bantay mo sa gawas SM ky dghan kaau snatcher dha ug sa lorega dapit . .

latest nahibaw.an nako from my bro ky SE xpreia 10,gelagya rag 3k. lol . .

kana jung naa sa emall ay, hahay nagkalata ang mga CP dha, , i hope ang mga pawnshop pod ky mo aware pod sa mga kinawat na items ..


HEADLINE sa superbalita ron ky van sa Mlhuillier ge ransak sa mactan, coming from airport. .cellphones ug laptops daw na kawat. .careful lng . .

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my cheaper man na mga unit, mag buy cla ug chinaphone n then baligya... murag original.... lugi ang d kamao mobusisi sa phone... snatcher daghan pud sa colon. kay daghan man pud magpatara, para lang jud ingnon....

[davidsky]

@redjvshopnshop your right bro.. dli tanan phones diri stolen or any gadgets, what if buy n sell din d owner misplaced ang receipt or nwala.. din also not all is have a complete accesories ang ge sale. wat if naguba or nawala or coming from outside in the world? or wat if mga remati ni ang mga gadgets baligya sa mga buy n sell.. like me my cousin naa cya prendahanan sa leyte din f ma remati iya ipadala nako din paliton nako og d kaau mahal............. WRONG THEORY NI.... d best u can do to prove if u buy a stolen phones or any gadgets just assure 2 have ur IMEI or SERIAL NO.

[lionhearted726]

actually the TS has a point here.. all of us have a point.. no one's wrong but I'd like to share my opinion as a buyer and as a seller..

buyer:

ex. X wants to buy an iPhone.. here's one seller selling his iPhone cheaper than the ones sold in the malls but doesn't have any receipt at all coz the phone's bought outside our country.. there's no doubt that X would buy the cheaper one rather than buy the more expensive unit and get the same item even if X doesn't get any receipt and the doubts of it being stolen, etc... anyway it's X's own RISK buying cellphones with no guaranteed warranty from the seller..

Seller

ex. Z wants to sell her iphone coz she badly needs money.. for it to be sold fast, Z's going to sell it cheap and without the receipt of course for some reasons.. Z is not really that good of a techy person and doesn't know how to manipulate and tinker her item.. She only knows the basics in operating it.. now, does that mean Z's selling a stolen iphone?

in the context of ur statements, u're assuming that X 'NO DOUBT' wud buy it and the seller doesn't have receipt. that's precisely not true because u're assuming that X wud 'SURELY' buy it without the receipt. he MAY or MAY NOT buy it after weighing down the risk of buying a stolen item. u're assuming also that the owner can't produce a receipt because the item was bought somewhere outside the country. again, that MAY NOT BE TRUE, unless he lost it or the seller bought it from the original owner and failed to ask for the receipt. whether d iphone was bought in Alaska or Timbuktu, a receipt is always issued if demanded.

so one may buy an item from a seller sans official receipt if he/she knows well the seller and how did the item end up in his/her possession.

does that mean Z's selling a stolen iphone? THAT'S THE BURDEN OF THE SELLER TO PROVE THAT THE ITEM HE'S SELLING IS LEGALLY ACQUIRED. if the buyer takes the risk, then that's his prerogative.

[lionhearted726]

@redjvshopnshop your right bro.. dli tanan phones diri stolen or any gadgets, what if buy n sell din d owner misplaced ang receipt or nwala.. din also not all is have a complete accesories ang ge sale. wat if naguba or nawala or coming from outside in the world? or wat if mga remati ni ang mga gadgets baligya sa mga buy n sell.. like me my cousin naa cya prendahanan sa leyte din f ma remati iya ipadala nako din paliton nako og d kaau mahal............. WRONG THEORY NI.... d best u can do to prove if u buy a stolen phones or any gadgets just assure 2 have ur IMEI or SERIAL NO.

relax bro! the THEORY is neither wrong nor right unless a FACT is established, isn't it bro? THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED THEORY! IT'S HYPOTHESIS! IT'S CONJECTURE! IT'S NOT A FACT!

a FACT is only established after extensive investigation and verified by any of ur five senses. a probable concept, that is.

so in order to find an item to be legally acquired (FACT) u need to investigate and verify it thru ur five basic senses (sight, hearing, touch, taste, smell). so the list that i enumerated earlier in the thread is simply a THEORY. it cud be a fact until u prove it's TRUE!

well anyways, ur right, one shud always keep the IMEI of the phone.

BUT HOW? i'm totally confused as to how cud a buyer identify a stolen phone thru its IMEI? u mean before u buy the phone u request the seller to open the gadget and check its IMEI? then what happens next? how wud u prove that it's stolen, now that u get its IMEI?

can u offer our fellow ka-istoryans as to how can an IMEI be used to identify a stolen phone?

[zaqmalchik]

relax bro! the THEORY is neither wrong nor right unless a FACT is established, isn't it bro? THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED THEORY! IT'S HYPOTHESIS! IT'S CONJECTURE! IT'S NOT A FACT!

a FACT is only established after extensive investigation and verified by any of ur five senses. a probable concept, that is.

so in order to find an item to be legally acquired (FACT) u need to investigate and verify it thru ur five basic senses (sight, hearing, touch, taste, smell). so the list that i enumerated earlier in the thread is simply a THEORY. it cud be a fact until u prove it's TRUE!

well anyways, ur right, one shud always keep the IMEI of the phone.

BUT HOW? i'm totally confused as to how cud a buyer identify a stolen phone thru its IMEI? u mean before u buy the phone u request the seller to open the gadget and check its IMEI? then what happens next? how wud u prove that it's stolen, now that u get its IMEI?

can u offer our fellow ka-istoryans as to how can an IMEI be used to identify a stolen phone?

i retrieved my stolen phone the other day through checking the IMEI sa unit. of course you have to back it up with other credentials like the box - naa man sd nai imei printed on it, receipt etc. mao to ang police na mismo ni verify.

[redjvshopnshop]

sa ako lang ha... dako jud kaau ug matabang ang IMEI, or serial number sa isa ka cellphone mao man gud na ang tima-ilhan! dili ang recibo!

up for this thread! pEACE ON EARTH

[fern-pewee]

mga sir naa man na sa forum rules... buy at your own risk. wla nay labot ang istorya ani. mao kamo moy makig deal... then its the buyers discretion kng paliton niya or dile besides cya moy maka kita sa product.

cguro ang point ni TS is be aware lang. nya kng pwede nga kabalo mo nga kinawat na ayaw nlang padayun(bisan tempting ang price) makaya kaha nimo? hehehehehe... nways, para lang daw dile maka support ug stolen goods. i doubt jud someone can resist the tempting low price (not opened/new/as new)stuffs!

[lionhearted726]

i just wud like to offer as to how IMEI works when ur phone is stolen.

IMEI is entirely out of the picture when buying a second-hand phone. it doesn't factor in identifying a stolen phone. here's how.

IMEI is a unique identification of ur phone. u need to keep it in ur wallet or in a secured place. in case ur phone is stolen, u need to call ur provider (Smart, Globe, Sun) asap in order to have it blacklisted by giving them the IMEI of ur phone. depending on the response of ur provider ur phone shall be rendered useless within minutes and therefore ur phone is now dead...for now. so IT'S IMPORTANT THAT U CALL UR PROVIDER IMMEDIATELY MOMENTS AFTER UR PHONE IS STOLEN.

"ha ha ha! thanks heaven the thief (snatcher) won't be able to sell it any longer," u said to urself.

then u tried to dial ur number and indeed it didn't ring. "thank god," u sighed in relief wiping off sweat streaming down ur face with the back of ur hand. so u thought the thief can't get something out of it as u headed home with a sad face.

as u went to the office the next day, ur office mate (a Globe subscriber) walked into ur cubicle humming a happy song holding aloft his new phone as if to show off her new possession. then she happily told u that she just bought a new phone almost a fifth of its original price. she even offered u to take a look at it to admire it. then instinctively, u politely asked her if u can open her new phone to pretend as if to find out if she's buying a 'healthy' (read: in tiptop condition) phone, thus u need to open it. u gasped in horror as u identified the phone as urs thru its IMEI. in order not to offend ur friend, u decided not to bring it up to her yet.

in the above scenario, the owner successfully have it blacklisted by her provider but not by other networks. the thief of course, wiser than she was, simply removed the SIM card and thrashed it. the buyer was able to use the stolen phone because she happened to be a subscriber of another network.

so the best thing to do when ur phone is stolen, u need to call first ur own provider asap. then u call the other networks and request them to blacklist ur phone as well. in that way, no matter how the new buyer have it tinkered by a skilled technician, ur phone is now rendered totally useless.

so it's clear that a IMEI offers no clue to the buyer whether a phone is stolen or not. because while the phone is still working, that means its IMEI is not yet blacklisted by all networks. IMEI is only helpful rendering ur stolen phone useless by having it blacklisted by all networks in ur home country.

unless the buyer use it in another country! that's transnational crime already!

i hope i offered a new insight to my fellow ka-istoryans. GOD BLESS!

DO NOT BUY STOLEN PHONES! IF IN DOUBT, DON'T BUY IT!