About Jan-jan, the "Dancing" Boy on Willing Willie

[beyee]

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Just saw the clip minutes ago and IMO,
kids should be spared from situations like these...
I not only pity the lil kid but my heart goes out
to the adults who were totally clueless of what
they got themselves into laughing to their hearts'
content at the expense of the lil boy...

so much for entertainment....

[jaez]

hahahah...

na dala jud mo sa pakulo sa ABS CBN dah. gagmay ninyo ug utok oi.

klaro kaayo anang pang daot lang sa show ni Willie

[Jumperman]

(Guys, PLEASE READ comprehensively, don't just skim through. And please try to be open-minded about this.)

is discussion similar to an argument? according to dictionary.com they have the same meaning. both are an informal debate which involves differing points of view. try to back read who among the supporters (Pro-Anti) are kind of harsh to their point?

I wasn't DEFINING the words. I just QUOTED a person whose personal elucidation of the two words was spot-on. IT WAS A QUOTE! There's a big difference. And my beef isn't about the hostility of a person's post (or in words you prefer, "harshness of their point"). It's about the content and the message they're trying to send. Since my attempt at diplomacy wasn't getting the job done, I'll put it in words you can better undertand: Some people's "arguments" are just plain stupid. There, I said it. Like I said earlier, regardless of whether they are for or against Jan-jan, as long as they articulate well everything they are trying to say, it's all good in the neighborhood. I appreciate the sensible points, I laud the people who made them for taking a stand and making us understand where they are coming from, whether they are "pro- or anti". But I can't say the same thing for the others, balika gud ug basa na ang mga comment ug reply diha na uban, tan-awa kung asa na gi-dala ang lalis. Naa pay uban nga nagpa-daghan ra sa ilang posts (read: peewee_toot I wonder why no one has ever stopped his "quantity over quality" replies). Lagpas na kaayo ba. Mao na ako pasabot nga dili worth lalisan kay ang logic pa lang daan, naa nay disparity. Wa mo sa parehas nga lugar.

and imo pa jud gi admire kay mauy "medyo" harsh mo talk and mo attack personally, naa gani ni ingun hot ra kaau sya, hehehe.. peace cherie ha!

I commend her because she never backed down from all the hostile replies made to her posts and stood for her conviction that what happened was wrong. And she did a pretty good job at it too. Kinsa may dili ma-"hot" kung mag-basa ka ug mga comment nga pagar-par ra, posts giving flimsy reasons why they thought the Jan-jan issue was really just a reason for the DSWD to get into the limelight? Her posts made sense, but some people are too blinded by their biases for Willie or whoever the hell it is they idolize that they don't appreciate her thoughts. I don't need to quote those replies, basaha balik tanan. And please try to keep an open mind about it.

About flextime's reply, his was one of the comments I said I appreciated because it was very well-put. Although I don't share his thoughts, at least he wrote clearly and made us understand his case, and didn't just weigh in for the sake of saying something.

you can't please everybody bro, what u think is right for you is not always right for the others, and its sad how you call these people who disagree on you too stubborn or are just plain dumb.

I never imposed my personal belief on anyone in this thread. Basaha gud balik kung naa ba koy gi-post diri sa thread nga nagpakita nga namugos ko nga sayop mo, sakto ko.

I know you took offense to my "stupid" statement. I reckon that you interpreted it as "your opinion is different from mine, so you are stupid". That's not what I meant. There really is no other way to say it, stupid man gyud ang mga reply sa uban. I'll say it again, regardless of whether the post is pro- or anti-Janjan, as long as the reply actually makes sense and doesn't sound anything like these then there's no problem:

so bawal na d i ang mga bata mo sayaw og ing ato rn? hala ka dinha...

sauna ky GMA ang mortal enemy ni willie. karon ky ABS na. hahaha. typical philipines showbiz.

i therefor conclude nga dili child friendly ang willing willie... tungod ni balingit.

ONLI IN DA PILIPINS..

oo..pasayawun nako akoa anak adto
kay ngano gipahubo diay sanina?
kay ngano naa diay nag suksuk kwarta?
kay ngano.. naa diay babae o bayut ka partner?
WALA
akala mo lang yun pero
WALA WALA WALA!!


kung mag gyrate diay macho dancing na?
haleer!

mao na na resulta cge ninyo tan-aw hubo-hubo na bars!

sa atoa pa ang Hawaian Dance=Macho Dancing..
Belly Dance=Erotic Dance=Macho Dancing=Prosti Dancing

like i said... malisyoso ra kaayu mo ug minds...


sa tinuod lang.... kinsa nagpaka ulaw sa bata
Kamo?? kay inyu gi ingnan na law-ay ug hilas iyaha dance..
Kamo na nag hype sa situation
Kamo na mga paki alamero
Kamo na sensitive
Kamo na old fashion
Kamo na DSWD na papapel!
Kamo nag daut sa reputation sa bata!

before the issue...proud ang parents including the child..
but after gi-issue..na apektuhan na..

so who's to blame Kamo na mga dirty minded!!
imagine if wala ni gi issue.. happy unta ang bata!

mga paki alamero kaayu mo!
kasagaran nag react ra ba w/ malisya kay bading..kay suhito
sa Male Prostitute styles!
tsk tsk tsk...

Ingon pa na si Xilcher nga graceful ang sayaw sa bata. Are you kidding me? Graceful? I don't even have to elaborate on Xilcher's other posts. If you're smart enough you can see how outrageous his replies are.

Now, read those and tell me you don't find those replies stupid. What other word is there to better describe those comments? Cute? Smart? Is this an example of what you think is "right", as opposed to the points that I have so painstakingly tried to explain?

Pwerteng tag-asa sa akong mga reply didto sa pikas nga Jan-jan thread, did you not even at the very least TRY to understand my side of the story? You keep on coming back for more and more long replies when I've already said all that I want to say regarding the issue. It's more like I pricked your pride and want me to concede that I am wrong and you are right. It's either that, or you hate this Jan-jan issue with such a passion that you won't stop until you get everybody to stop talking about it.

You never answer my posts point for point. I talk about why I despised what happened, you hit me back with shit about DSWD and

Studies have consistently pointed to at least three major immediate factors that push children to stay or live on the streets. These are the poverty of the family, family relationship factors (child physical or sexual abuse), and peer-gang influence.

What did that have to do with anything I was saying? But I still played along and answered your points the best I could.

Di gyud lagi ni mahuman lalisa. You said, and I quote, "you can't please everybody bro, what u think is right for you is not always right for the others". Pero ikaw, what exactly are you trying to do right now? You want me to throw my stand in re: Jan-jan to the ground and stomp on it and forget it.

Bottom line is:
1) If you're going to say something, be articulate. Don't ramble on, keep it short and sweet. If you don't know what exactly you want to say, keep it to yourself.

2) If you have a problem with what someone said, answer it point for point and don't bring in something that never had anything to do with what he said.

3) Make a stand. It's pretty clear that you are not sympathizing with Jan-jan, but where exactly do you stand? All you keep saying is that the DSWD is not doing its job. We get it, you think the DSWD is lousy. Unsa man dayon? Don't make an ARGUMENT for the **** of it, at least show me that you're passionate about wanting this Jan-jan issue over and done with.

Mao ra na. I don't care if more replies will come my way because of this post but I think I've pretty much made my stand clear enough to everyone. I won't be engaging in any more of this pointless arguing. I'll leave it to you people to continue discussing this "small and minor" topic.

If you want to know my stand about this issue, it's in this other thread that me and my buddy gatsby here engaged in. It's all there, I don't have anything else to say about it.

https://www.istorya.net/forums/tvs-an...er-lol-2.html#

[techguys]

Para nako no mas laswa tan-awon tung sa giong bulilit bisan naa salay DSWD permit dili dapat sila mag macho dancing unya naa pa gyud to scene na padung na mo kiss ang duha ka bata. akung anak wa na gyud nako patiwasa ug tan-aw. loud kaayo tan-awon dapat invistigahan sad ni pero i doubt kay naa si titay sa ABS.

Their fight is against child abuse... WEH!

[burikoy12]

O.A. ra kaayu mo reaction...

nasulod na pod mo sa bulsa ni willie..

Publicity ra na!! Gituyo to..

Sharo kadaghan gi balik balik sayaw..walay nag badlung if child abuse na to..
of course not..!!

Grinding moves is not for "macho Dancers" only...
Latin dances...salsa..rhumba..etc.. are erotic dances also..
why man gitudlo sa mga dance sports?

wala man malisya.. ang paghilak sa bata..is natural sa bata!
wala to naghilak coz gipugos or gikasab-an.. but bcoz dili jud siya dancer kay parents lng nagtudlo sa moves..

If gi hilasan mo.. blame the parents!
pero kung dili basura ug open minded inyu huna-huna!
wala ko nakita na dautan! utak promdi lng jud mo!

gawas mo sa sayal sa inyu mga lola oi!! 2011 na karon!
uso na ang P.D.A.

OT: Pagtarong diha Dong ha! Mora'g imong gipagawas nga kaming mga promdi basura ug dili open-minded among mga utak!!! Kining mga iresponsable nga remarks ingon ani, makaulbo jud sa kaspa.

On Topic:

Additional info lang. Based sa gipangsulti ni Willie in his defense, kahibalo sila nga ingon adto ang sayaw sa bata beforehand. In fact ila pang giilisan ang music kay ang original kay Careless Whispers.

[zedhryx]

he has a dramatic while he dancing

[gatsby]

I wasn't DEFINING the words. I just QUOTED a person whose personal elucidation of the two words was spot-on. IT WAS A QUOTE! There's a big difference. And my beef isn't about the hostility of a person's post (or in words you prefer, "harshness of their point"). It's about the content and the message they're trying to send. Since my attempt at diplomacy wasn't getting the job done, I'll put it in words you can better undertand: Some people's "arguments" are just plain stupid.

is this a quote? (I started this thread wanting to have a discussion and not an argument.) NO, right? Some people's "arguments" are just plain stupid. <---- that's how they react to the issue, thats there opinion, so where is your line "respetuay lang ta sa ubang opinion"?

There, I said it. Like I said earlier, regardless of whether they are for or against Jan-jan, as long as they articulate well everything they are trying to say, it's all good in the neighborhood. I appreciate the sensible points, I laud the people who made them for taking a stand and making us understand where they are coming from, whether they are "pro- or anti". But I can't say the same thing for the others, balika gud ug basa na ang mga comment ug reply diha na uban, tan-awa kung asa na gi-dala ang lalis. Naa pay uban nga nagpa-daghan ra sa ilang posts (read: peewee_toot I wonder why no one has ever stopped his "quantity over quality" replies). Lagpas na kaayo ba. Mao na ako pasabot nga dili worth lalisan kay ang logic pa lang daan, naa nay disparity. Wa mo sa parehas nga lugar.

again, that is their opinion, whether you like it or not people have their own opinion whether you like there idea or not still they are entitled to that. naa may logic sa imo or wala still point nila at karapatan nila yan, this is a forum site, right? i know you are a blogger, i am just wondering why you are a blogger and you can't accept others opinion? you mean if naay mo comment sa imong blog na lahi sa imong logic imong i delete? again, where is your line here "respetuay lang ta sa ubang opinion"?

I commend her because she never backed down from all the hostile replies made to her posts and stood for her conviction that what happened was wrong. And she did a pretty good job at it too. Kinsa may dili ma-"hot" kung mag-basa ka ug mga comment nga pagar-par ra, posts giving flimsy reasons why they thought the Jan-jan issue was really just a reason for the DSWD to get into the limelight? Her posts made sense, but some people are too blinded by their biases for Willie or whoever the hell it is they idolize that they don't appreciate her thoughts. I don't need to quote those replies, basaha balik tanan. And please try to keep an open mind about it.

you commend her bcoz she is on ur side, naa diay ka i commend na wala sa imong side? logic diba? look at what she replied sa uban:

pagkahugaw gyud ug hunahuna aning DSWD, CHR, NYC, MTRCB, Sen. Pia Cayetano,etc.etc.

maypa ning fans ni willie limpyo kaayo ug hunahuna. pareha kalimpyo ug hunahuna ni willie.

you call it a pretty job? who said i am a 100% fan of Willie? tirada nko dri kay DSWD not Willie, not TV5, not Jan-jan, not cherie, and definitely not you. if ever naka sala si Willie then go (MTRCB) suspend Willie, suspend Willing Willie, give warning to TV5, dont make this issue sensationalize sa TV sa YouTube, etc etc etc kay mo samut ang pagka expose sa bata. BUT did MTRCB and DSWD do that? WALA... na suspend ba si Willie? WALA. na suspend ba ang Willing Willie? WALA... i guess kabalo naka why? if ever ma suspend si Willie, whats next for DSWD? active sila diba? will they clean the street sa mga rugby boys, snatchers, prostitutes, etc etc etc <---- mao na pirmi ako ginabato ang DSWD diba? open ur mind pud bro, im not focusing too much sa Jan-jan na issue but on DSWD. i hope you get my point also.

About flextime's reply, his was one of the comments I said I appreciated because it was very well-put. Although I don't share his thoughts, at least he wrote clearly and made us understand his case, and didn't just weigh in for the sake of saying something.

oh come on...really? wala lagi ko kita ni appreciate ka sa iyang post. ako nakita kay si cherie imong gi commend, of course because she has the same sense that you do. and for me, nothing beats the reply of "flextime" mao nay naay sense ug logic - reality jud.. ikaw bro, try to read it back daw and analyze flextime reply compared it sa mga replies sa mga Jan-jan crusaders as u said, kaysa mag exert kag time defending DSWD over Jan-jan na wala man gani silay nabuhat.

I never imposed my personal belief on anyone in this thread. Basaha gud balik kung naa ba koy gi-post diri sa thread nga nagpakita nga namugos ko nga sayop mo, sakto ko.

Call me arrogant, but just take a quick peek at how some people here have aired their side, and tell me I'm wrong and that it wouldn't be absolutely pointless to even try to give your two cents.

Some people are just keyboard-happy, they type away faster than they think. That's not an insult aimed at anybody, but it's the truth. From this thread alone, you can see what I mean.

But some of the other replies are just too hard to stomach and just not worth giving yourself migraines over in trying to comprehend. In other words, It's futile trying to air your side to people who are either too stubborn or are just plain dumb.


try to comprehend what you wrote then get back to me if you are not imposing your personal belief on this thread.

I know you took offense to my "stupid" statement. I reckon that you interpreted it as "your opinion is different from mine, so you are stupid". That's not what I meant. There really is no other way to say it, stupid man gyud ang mga reply sa uban. I'll say it again, regardless of whether the post is pro- or anti-Janjan, as long as the reply actually makes sense and doesn't sound anything like these then there's no problem:

stupid or not again, that's their opinion, whether you like it or not, why you dont get it?. and this is a forum, fyi. if you have a problem with stupid replies because theyre not as smart as ur logic then i guess this place is not for you, am i right or wrong? i just do hope you wont delete comments in your blog if they will disagree in your so called logic.

Ingon pa na si Xilcher nga graceful ang sayaw sa bata. Are you kidding me? Graceful? I don't even have to elaborate on Xilcher's other posts. If you're smart enough you can see how outrageous his replies are.

abi ko ba resputaay sa opinion sa uban?

Pwerteng tag-asa sa akong mga reply didto sa pikas nga Jan-jan thread, did you not even at the very least TRY to understand my side of the story? You keep on coming back for more and more long replies when I've already said all that I want to say regarding the issue. It's more like I pricked your pride and want me to concede that I am wrong and you are right. It's either that, or you hate this Jan-jan issue with such a passion that you won't stop until you get everybody to stop talking about it.

i do understand your side, how about you? naka understand ka sa akong side and the others? open your mind bro, as i keep on saying DSWD's concern shouldn't be on Jan-jan alone, why dili nimo ma gets na? why u wanted DSWD put time and effort sa kani na issue? did they punish Willie or the show? i guess wala, why? i guess makakuha na nimo why... if ever man gani na punishan well okay, but then again, as i keep on repeating what is DSWD doing to those rugby boys, snatchers, prostitutes (minors) etc etc etc, do you have any point on that?

You never answer my posts point for point. I talk about why I despised what happened, you hit me back with shit about DSWD and What did that have to do with anything I was saying? But I still played along and answered your points the best I could.

now i do. any questions? i keep on wondering why galagot jud ka bisag DSWD akong target and NOT YOU, u want me to praise DSWD even though makita nko unsa gaka hitabo sa society natu? answer me daw.

Di gyud lagi ni mahuman lalisa. You said, and I quote, "you can't please everybody bro, what u think is right for you is not always right for the others". Pero ikaw, what exactly are you trying to do right now? You want me to throw my stand in re: Jan-jan to the ground and stomp on it and forget it.

hahahaha, bro ako target AGAIN, DSWD not you.... what exactly im trying to do? of course enlighten people na daghan pa ta ug probs sa society dili lang kay Jan-jan, gets mo ba? im not saying you should take ur side sako, i NEVER said that. basin ikaw bro , gusto ko nimo mo balhin sa imong side just like cherie? relax lang ha kay forum rani basin high blood naka diha.....

Bottom line is:
1) If you're going to say something, be articulate. Don't ramble on, keep it short and sweet. If you don't know what exactly you want to say, keep it to yourself.

taas lagi imong tubag ani? very ironic... If you don't know what exactly you want to say, keep it to yourself. <--- can u apply it to urself?

2) If you have a problem with what someone said, answer it point for point and don't bring in something that never had anything to do with what he said.

how many times do i have to tell you, my focus is with DSWD not with Istoryans here.

3) Make a stand. It's pretty clear that you are not sympathizing with Jan-jan, but where exactly do you stand? All you keep saying is that the DSWD is not doing its job. We get it, you think the DSWD is lousy. Unsa man dayon? Don't make an ARGUMENT for the **** of it, at least show me that you're passionate about wanting this Jan-jan issue over and done with.

i sympathize with Jan-jan but how about other kids na wala sa TV nag sympathize ka ba? i feel kung unsa gaka hitabo ni Jan-jan run, grabe na sya ka sikat, why? because of these blogs, YouTube online, kana kabalo ba ka ana? i feel for the kid but then again his family and he himself explained naman diba? TV5 and Willie apologized about the negligence sa ila gi buhat, NOW, HOW ABOUT DSWD's NEGLIGENCE? taga DSWD ka bro? murag mo surok lagi imong dugo basta DSWD ako tirada?

Mao ra na. I don't care if more replies will come my way because of this post but I think I've pretty much made my stand clear enough to everyone. I won't be engaging in any more of this pointless arguing. I'll leave it to you people to continue discussing this "small and minor" topic.

If you want to know my stand about this issue, it's in this other thread that me and my buddy gatsby here engaged in. It's all there, I don't have anything else to say about it.

https://www.istorya.net/forums/tvs-an...er-lol-2.html#

you know what is the probs with you? you cant stand that other people 's opinion whether its too shallow, pointless, non logic, dili smart BUT still its their opinion. kana mismo dili nimo na makuha. make ur own forum nalang kaha na imong logic kinahanglan i agree sa mga members

any more question so i can answer it point by point?

now, make a comment on this since you are too concerned with Jan-jan and dont give me reason that they have permit from DOLE, is it an excuse so those kids will do those things?

[gatsby]

Para nako no mas laswa tan-awon tung sa giong bulilit bisan naa salay DSWD permit dili dapat sila mag macho dancing unya naa pa gyud to scene na padung na mo kiss ang duha ka bata. akung anak wa na gyud nako patiwasa ug tan-aw. loud kaayo tan-awon dapat invistigahan sad ni pero i doubt kay naa si titay sa ABS.

tubaga daw ni mga "crusaders" kuno ni Jan-jan? kinsa taga DSWD diha? so okay ra diay ingun anaon ang bata basta naay permit sa DOLE?

hays DSWD.... ibuka ug ayu inyung mata oi na DAGHAN kaau visible na probs sa mga kids sa kadalanan, set aside Cebu una, tan awa ang Manila sa, i guess kita mo ana. mo ingun ang uban wala daw kuno ko kabalo na galihok sila bisag dili makita sa TV? mao ba? ngano mo dako man ang mg cases sa mga ingun ani if gatrabaho sila? im not saying STOP ura urada pero increasing man gud ang cases.

[Jumperman]

gatsby, I don't want to make this thread a personal combat zone so I will PM you everything I have to say about your last reply. I detest that you make it seem like you're so smart and I'm the exact opposite, so Mr. Genius, please go easy on me. Don't think for a second that I'm backing off, I just don't want this to get messy and out of topic. (I'm not being hostile, although I sound like it. LOL) WHEW!

[jntio]

kng abs mn gani pasimuno ani, mo balik ra diay ghapon sa ila unsaon pg tubag anang ga sayaw² sa babaw