The Church is responsible for over population in the Phils.

[gareb]

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ang tinuod gyud nga cause...kay sige tag panganak unya way ikapakaon...kuwang na gud ang bugas nga gi produce sa ato'ng nasud ron mao nang namalit na lang tas uban...di ba?

... sige ta ug panganak kay kulang ta ug edukasyon sa family planning... epekto sa poverty sa nasud nga wla nag hatag ug igo nga budget for this. epekto sad sa poverty sa sulod sa balay... mga bata nga kabalo tuod kung unsay ***, pero wala kabalo ug unsay family planning... basically because wala kanasulod ug eskwelahan, o dili man gani ihatag kaning mga klase sa leskyon sa eskwelahan.

yep, i have read the report. but it just focuses on the stand of the church and how it shapes current cultural staus quo. it does not place weight on the effects of positive economic policies that may benefit the poor. it does not place weight on providing basic social services ( budget for education and health) that would alleviate the current state of ignorance that exists among the poor regarding family planning and contaception.

and decrease man gud sa budget sa education has rendered the quality of education nga gitudlo as substandard. and katiting nga budget sa health dili paigo para pagpasweldo ug igo nga kadaghanon sa social workers para magtudlo sa mga pobre about contraception ug family planning.

ang population growth rate, hinay-hinay nga nagkaubos. pero that does not mean nga wla na nagtubo ang population. pero bisan nga ming ubos ang growth rate, nag problema pa gihapon ta sa poverty. nagproblema gihapon ta ug pakaon sa mga tawo. simply because, ang pagsulbad sa overpopulation dili lang just a matter of contraceptives and family planning. ang availability sa resources ug sustainability ani dapat sad i taken into account because basically mao na ang atong definition sa overpopulation - kung daghan na kaayo ang tawo nga dili na nato kaya mag provide ug resources sa population... dili lang mere numbers o population density.

daghang factors nga-work. dili lang cultural. even ang economic policies sa gubyerno makaapekta aning tanan. again, because ang tanang mga factors related ra. dili ta makaistorya lang about population growth without tackling poverty, economy and even politics. because overpopulation (ang dili pagkaigo sa resources sa isa ka lugar para sa daghang tawo) produkto sa interaction sa daghang factors.

pabor ko sa contraception, of course, pero kulang kung kani lang. we have been endorsing contraceptives for ages. nag decrease tuod ang population rate pero ang situation sa economy nato nagpabiling ubos. dapat dungan unta na siya, facilitated by economic policies that are beneficial para sa kadaghanan.

but unfortunately the past adiministrations have done the exact opposite. nag endorse tuod ug contraceptives pero walay gihimo sa economic policies. walay kwenta ang labas.

now we have gloria nga paling-paling sa iyahang stand sa contraceptives, resorting at last to the 'natural' method... unya naa na say 2 child policy... wala gihapoy ayo. wala niya gi address ang panawagan sa mga tawo nga muhimo ug economic measures nga pabor para sa kadaghanan. buskag gihapon. walay kwenta ang contraceptives, family planning, natural method, o 2 child policy....

gihimong excuse ang overpopulation as a reason for poverty, when infact, nagkaubos na ang population growth rate. unya nganong pobre man gihapon ta, walay makitang asenso nga concrete? the erroneous economic policies ang problema.

naay overpopulation sa pilipinas. manginahanglan ta ug contraceptives para pagbatuk ani. pero dili lang ni siya mao ang solusyon. dapat combination of many solutions. dili lang overpopulation mao ang cause sa poverty. daghan pa. dili lang sad poverty the only cause of overpopulation.

systemic ug komplikado ang problema. dili siya masayun-sayun. dili unilinear ang problema. dapat marealize nato ni para masulbad nato ning tanan.

[Apo ni Barabas]

... sige ta ug panganak kay kulang ta ug edukasyon sa family planning... epekto sa poverty sa nasud nga wla nag hatag ug igo nga budget for this.

taympa, ngano'ng wa gahini ug budget ni GMA? kay dili lagi mo-uyon ang katoliko'ng simbahan! mao na diha ang problema, dong...

kung ang simbahan dili mag-apil-apil sa government affairs...sus kadaghan unta'g possibilities mahimo sa gobyerno...

[gareb]

actually dili. mando sa siya sa gikautanan sa gubyerno. sa IMF ug sa World Bank. ingon sila nga dapat bawasan daw ang gastusan nato para makabayad ta sa utang nato nila... ug para sad pautangon pa ta sa sunod...

unya kay pabor man ang sibahan ana, so ok ra nila...

ang problema, kita ang naapektahan. ang serbisyo para sa health sector (libre hospital, libre tambal, libre teach-ins sa family planning, ug uban pa) maoy na apektahan.

check this site out:
http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRel...Trade/GATS.asp

[Apo ni Barabas]

yes of course, that's what the gov't is telling you. sad to say, the unbiased news we hear in the states is something else. did you know the philippines is a laughing stock to all other "1st world countries" due to GMA's acceptance on the RC's family planning program?

oh well, you still haven't answered my question...

what is your suggestion for the gov't to take control on the population growth...just limit your answer to this issue if you can...

[gareb]

we cannot limit the issue strictly along the lines of population growth, unfortunately. to separate the matter from the context of economic policies, as well as cultural factors is to render a whole new dimension to the problem... one that takes of the weight of poverty and sustainability away from the issue of overpopulation. i do not want to commit the particularist error of separating a piece from the whole, which would render that piece a 'whole' by itself. of course, that cannot be.

a very comfortable answer would be contraceptives and education about family planning. but in current social context, this is not enough (even the 2 child policy is not) as can be gleaned from the slow decline of the population growth rate, without any noticeable economic change whatsoever. it is intrinsically more complex than this.

[Apo ni Barabas]

we cannot limit the issue strictly along the lines of population growth, unfortunately...

okay. you're entitled to your "complex" opinion...

overpopulation to me simply means:

1. transitive verb: increase population of place too much: to increase the population of a place so much that the amount of space, food, water, or other resources available to support it is insufficient ( often passive )

we already know the country can't support 78million and counting...


2. intransitive verb: reproduce to excess: to increase to unsustainable or undesirable numbers by excessive reproduction

excessive reproduction...hmmm...i wonder how we can control that?...without getting too much into all "other factors"...

[cyclops]

seems to be a good topic to start with. I appreciate you people shared your opinions.
1.) I dont think the majority of pinoys lack education, in fact we are the highly educated nation in the world. So, we need to disqualify this factor.
2.) Comparing to other catholic nations like Ireland and other European countries. You can't have so many kids in those " Ice cold" countries or your kids will end up in welfare. So, we cant compare pinas with euros.
3.) Most pinoys go to church everyday, sundays whatever. We hear the same gospel, embanghilyo sa pari, unya we also see our girl friends who looks very pretty and get distracted by these and we think about *** all the time. the the priest will say " go to the world and multiply". Bling, bling.. again.. we think about ***..after church.
--- repeat number . 3 everyday 7 days a week..---- imagine the result. It is a psychological thing. the church have done nothing to prevent this. in fact the some of the priest mention *** as part of thier jokes.
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We are not talking about the tripod or the web of the cause here. we need to concentrate of the church first as what they have done and what not. What psychological affects they did to us as for our sexual behaviours...
Kinsay BSPsycho diri?

[Apo ni Barabas]

... the church have done nothing to prevent this...

mao ba? dili kuno oi, ingon sila...

[Plukaking]

2.) Comparing to other catholic nations like Ireland and other European countries. You can't have so many kids in those " Ice cold" countries or your kids will end up in welfare. So, we cant compare pinas with euros.

*** is *** bisag asa ta ibutang, dong.

now, preventing unwanted pregnancies (which I believe more than 50% in the philippines) and curbing population growth is definitely something else...

just my two cents.

[cyclops]

well barabas... if you post my quote make sure it's complete..