NOT A GOOD DEVELOPMENT FOR CEBU BANDS

[DuBciTY]

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SAFEGUARD: YEP your're right man..ang OT man jud makapawala sa atong storya diri...kinsa man jud ang concerned party diri? ang katong gi biritan ni nieeni? para makalikay nata ug duol ani nila if nay gig and etc..musician pud ka bay?

kapoy man ang hate2 gud..kung nay hate way asenso..tan-awa gud ni atong kahimtang karon? sum-a ba..kahibaw gud ta mas daghan maayo na banda diri pero ni asenso ba ta? wa kay sige man tag hate2x ug unsa pa na diha..

ambot hehehe naa koy daghan isulti but crammed kaayo akong utok kay pait man gud..kami artist mi pero asa man among support? gi lubong? huhuhuh


peace be with you.

[safeguard]

SAFEGUARD: YEP your're right man..ang OT man jud makapawala sa atong storya diri...kinsa man jud ang concerned party diri? ang katong gi biritan ni nieeni? para makalikay nata ug duol ani nila if nay gig and etc..musician pud ka bay?

kapoy man ang hate2 gud..kung nay hate way asenso..tan-awa gud ni atong kahimtang karon? sum-a ba..kahibaw gud ta mas daghan maayo na banda diri pero ni asenso ba ta? wa kay sige man tag hate2x ug unsa pa na diha..

ambot hehehe naa koy daghan isulti but crammed kaayo akong utok kay pait man gud..kami artist mi pero asa man among support? gi lubong? huhuhuh


peace be with you.

EXAAAACTLY!!!!!were not talking about the production here...were talking about the well-deserved respect your bands need..and nienee's posts were just a warning...again...cebuano sarcasm on the run with two middle fingers up!

[DuBciTY]

i would like to add...

EXAAAACTLY!!!!!were not talking about the production here...were talking about the well-deserved respect your bands need..and nienee's posts were just a warning...again...cebuano sarcasm on the run with two middle fingers up!

and a frikin cuban cigar on the mouth..hahahahah corny safe?? hahahaha

[nienee]

THAT you can't change nemore. you can never change other peoples ways. But for us as long as we know what were doing is good and it is right we just move on and do our part. You just have to show people what is the right thing to do. Don't just judge them directly. Show them the ropes if you want to help and make a difference.. then act on it. If people see and realize that what you are doing is good then people will follow and people will soon realize the importance of it. I know what you mean bout comparing Manila form Cebu scene. I've been there and I've seen it all. But did I ever say anything bad about it? No Coz lahi ra man jud didto gud. It's hard to explain nienee but I know you really have a good point there. Dugay na ko kabantay ana na butanga. But you know what gipasagdan ra na nako coz sooner or later makarealize ra na ang mga tao ana. At first cguro ok magpafree ug people makasud then the next they shud also learn to save up for it. Coz for us malugi jud mi kung cge lang mi pasud ug ppl. Arangan man sad ang mga taw didto sa Manila nienee if u comparte the people here. DI na malalis coz I know alot of ppl who really want to support but don't have the money to get in. Pugson jud di ay? Tho it's not good to use other "bad" ways just to get what they wanted but in thr part mao man gud ang sakto coz mao man sad ang kahimtabng nila sa ilang kinabuhi. Lahi2x lang jud tag views diri. But I hope you also listen to what we all have to say here. Kibaw kong naa kay gibarogan diri and so am I. and it's good that you also know what happened to our scene here. Daghan na man di ay tah nakabantay ani.. so let's help one another on this. Instead of blaming anyone let's just plan on what is the BEST thing to do to stop this issue. Tho it can't change in a flash let's just do what we have to do and continue to support eachother. Let's not try to pull down eachother instead let's help eachother reach the top.

maam, its better we dont blabber about manila sprouting with rich, coño type of people who can only afford to pay entrances and buy mechandise in gig venues. so if u are saying that, does that mean we cebuanos cannot afford to pay entrance fees just to see a gig? i think i have to disagree with u on this. as what i had said, people in manila pay entrance fees ranging from 150 and up. if u compare entrance fee prices with cebu, YES!!!! i know mahal rana kysa dri given the salary estimates with manila and cebu is different (kini kung ga trabaho ka). organizer man jd kaha ka maam, wa baka kabantay nga entrance fees nato dri sa mga gig venues mu range ra from 30 pesos up to 100 pesos ra unya reklamo pa ghapn ta? i know cebuanos can afford this price. (daghan man gani maka afford mubayad ug 250 para maka tanaw sa jamaican nights). kung above 100 man gani ang entrance, pag expect nga big event na jd kaau na nga naa pa jd guest band from MANILA ana.

kasagaran nato dri kusog kaau mang hambog nga grabe kaau atong scene dri sa cebu. pero kasagaran (not all ha?), gi FREE diay. ill give an example at VUDU, isnt it heaven to watch 4 or 5 bands in a night at only 100 pesos thats affordable. VERY AFFORDABLE.

if u state there are a lot of people who really give their all out support for the scene but dont have the money, well then stop spoon feeding them. i think maka supporta ghapn cla without giving them free shit dba? kung padayunon na pirmi ang pag spoon feed sa mga taw nga kanunay na lng ta mag free, aw sayop naman jd tngai na. manganad naman pd ang mga taw ana. dugay nako nagbantay sa music scene maam and kanunay ang mga problema sauna, manaa pa ghapn. much worse pa kung naay mga organizers nga dili mga tarng.

yes, i know lisod pag usab sa attitude sa usa ka taw. pero we can implement rules man tngai. we are born in a civilized world bound to follow rules and regulations right naka organize naman kaha mu maam unya naa man kaha mu gibarugan, y cant u stay with it? di na lng pd tngai ta prmi magpahumok diba? u have ur rules sa inyu pag organize and y dont u implement them STRICTLY. nganu mahadluk man mo sa mga taw nga dili mu tanaw. aw kung dili cla mu tanaw kay naa may entrance fee ang gig, then leave them be. AND THAT UL KNOW KUNG KANA CLA NI SUPPORTA BA JD SA SCENE NATO DRI O WALA. cge lng ta reklamo bitaw unya kusog kaau mu ingun SUPPORTA KAAU SA MUSIC SCENE SA CEBU pero ang nag isig suportaay ra sa scene kay ang mga bands ra mismo. havnt u noticed way back sa cebu local grounds ug kadtng mga mango jam nga panahon kay competition kaau ang mga banda. pasikat dri, pasikat didto. pero tanawa na karn kung unsa. closely-knit na ang mga bands karn. just try to check handuraw/kahayag where u can see faces having a sip of beer pero lain2 ila mga banda. NAG KA SUOD NA CLA DRI KAY CLA MISMO NAG PASI.UGDA SA INDIE SCENE DRI CEBU. kung naka abot ka sa INDIE EXPLOSION way back 99 or 2000, i think ma usab imu huna2 maam. if the artists are supportive with each band's endeavors, why cant the general public contribute in their own little way. daghan ways pero di lng jd buhaton.

to think lng gd. ang mga musicians nagpagawas ug kwarta sa ilang bulsa para makapalit ug instruments unya para maka tukar ug maka pang hatag ug kalingaw sa mga taw. well vice versa lng unta ba, naa pd tay ikadalit gamay sa pag lingaw2 nato dba? that simple. tinabangay man kaha, well its time each and everyone of us be responsible and respectful enough to contribute our own share.

[huslabiatch]

i think you are wrong...we can change...thats upt o you and the bands if they want a change...if you want a radical change in the music scene, do your part...support your band and dont just post stupid nonsense on istoray...youre a coward and dont ever hide here...this issue cannot be stopped...if for some reason a there's someone here who got hurt with all the comments, REREAD them over and over again to see how your bands feel...how your audiences feel...how we feel as cyber-junkies...youre doing an awful lot of harm than good...how can you stop a moving electric fanput youre hand between the teeth...

[b]who says im not supporting the bands and i'm posting nonsense hey dude i'm not here to make a fight. i was just posting here my view. why are you saying things which are out of the line? if this is the case then people here don't have respect on other people's views. wa moy mga respeto doh. tarong kaayo akong pag hatag ug opinion nya inyong balihon ug sabot? no wonder way mo respeto sa uban taw diri kay di man sad anagay. tsk. i'm so disappointed with this. hahay

[huslabiatch]

maam, its better we dont blabber about manila sprouting with rich, coño type of people who can only afford to pay entrances and buy mechandise in gig venues. so if u are saying that, does that mean we cebuanos cannot afford to pay entrance fees just to see a gig? i think i have to disagree with u on this. as what i had said, people in manila pay entrance fees ranging from 150 and up. if u compare entrance fee prices with cebu, YES!!!! i know mahal rana kysa dri given the salary estimates with manila and cebu is different (kini kung ga trabaho ka). organizer man jd kaha ka maam, wa baka kabantay nga entrance fees nato dri sa mga gig venues mu range ra from 30 pesos up to 100 pesos ra unya reklamo pa ghapn ta? i know cebuanos can afford this price. (daghan man gani maka afford mubayad ug 250 para maka tanaw sa jamaican nights). kung above 100 man gani ang entrance, pag expect nga big event na jd kaau na nga naa pa jd guest band from MANILA ana.

kasagaran nato dri kusog kaau mang hambog nga grabe kaau atong scene dri sa cebu. pero kasagaran (not all ha?), gi FREE diay. ill give an example at VUDU, isnt it heaven to watch 4 or 5 bands in a night at only 100 pesos thats affordable. VERY AFFORDABLE.

if u state there are a lot of people who really give their all out support for the scene but dont have the money, well then stop spoon feeding them. i think maka supporta ghapn cla without giving them free shit dba? kung padayunon na pirmi ang pag spoon feed sa mga taw nga kanunay na lng ta mag free, aw sayop naman jd tngai na. manganad naman pd ang mga taw ana. dugay nako nagbantay sa music scene maam and kanunay ang mga problema sauna, manaa pa ghapn. much worse pa kung naay mga organizers nga dili mga tarng.

yes, i know lisod pag usab sa attitude sa usa ka taw. pero we can implement rules man tngai. we are born in a civilized world bound to follow rules and regulations right naka organize naman kaha mu maam unya naa man kaha mu gibarugan, y cant u stay with it? di na lng pd tngai ta prmi magpahumok diba? u have ur rules sa inyu pag organize and y dont u implement them STRICTLY. nganu mahadluk man mo sa mga taw nga dili mu tanaw. aw kung dili cla mu tanaw kay naa may entrance fee ang gig, then leave them be. AND THAT UL KNOW KUNG KANA CLA NI SUPPORTA BA JD SA SCENE NATO DRI O WALA. cge lng ta reklamo bitaw unya kusog kaau mu ingun SUPPORTA KAAU SA MUSIC SCENE SA CEBU pero ang nag isig suportaay ra sa scene kay ang mga bands ra mismo. havnt u noticed way back sa cebu local grounds ug kadtng mga mango jam nga panahon kay competition kaau ang mga banda. pasikat dri, pasikat didto. pero tanawa na karn kung unsa. closely-knit na ang mga bands karn. just try to check handuraw/kahayag where u can see faces having a sip of beer pero lain2 ila mga banda. NAG KA SUOD NA CLA DRI KAY CLA MISMO NAG PASI.UGDA SA INDIE SCENE DRI CEBU. kung naka abot ka sa INDIE EXPLOSION way back 99 or 2000, i think ma usab imu huna2 maam. if the artists are supportive with each band's endeavors, why cant the general public contribute in their own little way. daghan ways pero di lng jd buhaton.

to think lng gd. ang mga musicians nagpagawas ug kwarta sa ilang bulsa para makapalit ug instruments unya para maka tukar ug maka pang hatag ug kalingaw sa mga taw. well vice versa lng unta ba, naa pd tay ikadalit gamay sa pag lingaw2 nato dba? that simple. tinabangay man kaha, well its time each and everyone of us be responsible and respectful enough to contribute our own share.

sakto sad ka nienee. na jud ka point as what ive mention before. i think it's just the people's mind set. naanad na man gud na sila na ingon ani ang agi diri. mao bitaw ng ni ingon ko na ipakita natoh kung unsay sakto sa dili. basaha gud ug tarong akong gipost mam. we all have a point here. kung cge tag lalis ani di na jud ni mahuman. unsa man jud plano ninyo ani? ako i sed my opinion. then i respect yours too. but di ko ganahan na sultian tag lain bah. na lainon pagsabot. and mam/sir u dont need to tell me about what happened sa 99-2000 na scene. naa nako ana mam/sir. nakakita nako ana. pero lahi man toh sa una itandi nimo karon. but we can still make it happen again. tinabangay lagi.. it's the over used word here pero di na mahitabo kung usa ray mo lihok diba?

[nienee]

sakto sad ka nienee. na jud ka point as what ive mention before. i think it's just the people's mind set. naanad na man gud na sila na ingon ani ang agi diri. mao bitaw ng ni ingon ko na ipakita natoh kung unsay sakto sa dili. basaha gud ug tarong akong gipost mam. we all have a point here. kung cge tag lalis ani di na jud ni mahuman. unsa man jud plano ninyo ani? ako i sed my opinion. then i respect yours too. but di ko ganahan na sultian tag lain bah. na lainon pagsabot. and mam/sir u dont need to tell me about what happened sa 99-2000 na scene. naa nako ana mam/sir. nakakita nako ana. pero lahi man toh sa una itandi nimo karon. but we can still make it happen again. tinabangay lagi.. it's the over used word here pero di na mahitabo kung usa ray mo lihok diba?

yes. we all have points. but somehow we have to stress something and correct other's point of view in order to move forward and let the others know that what we have corrected is the best and most applicable suggestion for all. this argument shouldnt have started if only this scrupulous organizers had their production in a positive way. maam, since u are in the production outfit, i hope ur idea of helping bands will shed out benefits for all. somehow, if one day u will organize gigs, please see to it that everyone concerned is happy especially if ur production has come into terms with the other people (venue owners, bands, sponsors and the public). one day, this person will surface out as the perpetrator. and we (not only me) make sure that they go down. they are a nuisance to the society and seems to wreck havoc some more. i hope in your production, u dont treat bands like what ive mentioned about those "organizers". the statement of blurting out, "OK RA D MA BAYRAN ANG BANDA BASTA MAKA TUKAR LNG CLA" should be avoided. a lot of the veteran bands and other production outfits are watching out on these people. makabantay raka ana nila maam. soon, ang mga banda mu balibad na anang mga tawhana.

Godspeed and goodluck sa inyu production.... thanks

[EZRA]

Mao ra ni ako ha... if a band draws a crowd.. if they have a decent following (fans), then they deserve a talent fee... at least a cut from what they bring in from the door. Lisod man sab nga ang production dawat limpyo lang.

Mao man ang SOP diri sa amo (I know... this is not Cebu) ... when someone comes in the the door, pangutan-on dayon kung kinsa ilang tuyo, unsa nga banda ilang gi ari. Then those are tallied and counted... inig human sa tanan, the band gets a small cut from the cover fees.

Pero kanang mga bag-o.. or those nga wala pa kaayoy following... the exposure should be enough (as well as the free food and drinks).

One other thing.. the bands can also sell merchandise, CD's, etc sa gigs... they should take advantage of that opportunity.. atay lang sab kaayo kay ang mga tawo, they would rather download or copy the CD rather than to support the band and buy the CD. A lot of you here are guilty of that.... hasol kaayog sigeg pamadlong sa mga taw nga sigeg pangita ug kopya, sigeg pangutana ug asa maka download... BUY THE CD, SUPPORT THE BAND!!!! Malooy mos mga banda nga ga hago ug himo sa mga kanta unya kamo, sige lag pang download.

[DuBciTY]

MAO !! DI LALIM MAG GASTO PARA ALBUM!!! ZOOM ZOOM

[nienee]

Mao ra ni ako ha... if a band draws a crowd.. if they have a decent following (fans), then they deserve a talent fee... at least a cut from what they bring in from the door. Lisod man sab nga ang production dawat limpyo lang.

Mao man ang SOP diri sa amo (I know... this is not Cebu) ... when someone comes in the the door, pangutan-on dayon kung kinsa ilang tuyo, unsa nga banda ilang gi ari. Then those are tallied and counted... inig human sa tanan, the band gets a small cut from the cover fees.

Pero kanang mga bag-o.. or those nga wala pa kaayoy following... the exposure should be enough (as well as the free food and drinks).

lahi diay mo mu produce sa inyu? kuyaw pd inyu style dah. organizing gigs really needs a lot of time to prepare. preparing to get the bands, to get the instruments and of course the venue. the organizers makes all of the planning for the gig. they also plan what bands to get. if they wanna earn a profit from organizing gigs, i think they should get the much exposed bands and those who i refer as veterans in the music scene.

but in your case, murg sa tanaw naku kalit2 inyu pag organize sa gig ninyu. murg little planning ra. mura bitaw organize mu ug gig then kuha bisan kinsa nga banda nga maka tukar. i didnt say its bad pero maka ingun ko lahi pd inyu style. somehow, i guess ang production dha is much smaller compared with the ones here in cebu. some productions here do get the much needed funds for an event but sadly misuse it or i dont know what other reason they are up to.